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Old 13-10-2016, 13:38
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Thanks Ray. Do you have Can't Pay with +1? It looked a little lower this week, I think The Missing dented it.
Sorry Rick, I don't. Broadcast hasn't reported it.
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Old 13-10-2016, 15:13
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Thank you, that was an interesting read. Especially worrying for them if we get a Brexit rise on the subs in the UK as that will further deter uptake.

Just went for some OJ at the supermarket and the price had risen 50% in a week. I was told it was a Brexit premium!
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Old 13-10-2016, 15:25
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Thank you, that was an interesting read. Especially worrying for them if we get a Brexit rise on the subs in the UK as that will further deter uptake.

Just went for some OJ at the supermarket and the price had risen 50% in a week. I was told it was a Brexit premium!
Makes you wonder how Brexit will affect funding in television overall.
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Old 13-10-2016, 15:31
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Thank you, that was an interesting read. Especially worrying for them if we get a Brexit rise on the subs in the UK as that will further deter uptake.
But like HBO's Game of Thrones, Netflix's most expensive show, The Crown, is made in the UK with British talent, so the remaining seasons should cost them less $$$.

I assume Amazon are paying Clarkson's production company in Sterling?
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Old 13-10-2016, 15:41
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I didn't know sky were now treating Q as its default box. They must have mined many of the early adopters and so are broadending the base now. It needs a price cut.

Sky has previously said that it doesn't consider Netflix and Prime to be real rivals of theirs. They created Now to counter them and see them as serving a largely different market. I'm not sure I buy that.

Netflix though has its own problems. Growth has stalled in America and bigger boys are launching. There's a touch of Spotify about them or even Blackberry.

I've often wondered if a bigger threat to sky is actually Now TV itself.
The decision to make Sky Q the default new customer box and offer a £20 pm Sky Q entry level sub has only just been implemented.

They have started cutting the cost of purchasing the Q box equipment, too, in an attempt to win over existing customers.

Right now we have not moved for several reasons.

It would cost us money to stop using our existing two HD boxes that we own (but Sky have always fixed for free in practice to stop you leaving).

We would have to pay a three figure sum to get the equivalent Sky Q equipment as they still charge an upfront amount (just less than it was). And we would lose access to the recordings we have on Sky HD because Sky are not allowing you to operate both Sky HD boxes and Sky Q boxes together.

So you keep the largely useless HD boxes because they are your own but cannot use them (as they do not work with the LNB they fit for Sky Q) and pay to get the Sky Q boxes that you are now not owning but renting (Virgin style) and must return if you decide to quit Sky.

Plus in our case it would cost more to replace the recording capacity we currently have with Sky HD. And that is completely separate in two rooms whereas Sky Q only has one unit that records and streams that single recording medium to however many rooms you have the other boxes in.

So at present if one of your Sky HD boxes breaks you usually still have the other working until you get the other fixed. With Sky Q if your main box breaks then all your access in all rooms is stopped.

We do not yet have a UHD/4K TV and so the main advantage of having Sky Q for us is gone (we can already stream to our laptop with Sky HD) As and when we upgrade we might consider Sky Q as the UHD service has no extra sub attached. Though if and when they launch an actual channel (as opposed to just movies and sports when they are available from day to day as now) then that might change, of course.

So for now - and for the first time since we have had Sky (which dates to the 1980s when they were free!) - we have not been motivated to quickly upgrade to Sky Q on the basis it offered us something we wanted or needed or were really all that fussed over frankly.

That seems to be a problem with other existing Sky subscribers and so might be a reason they are changing tactics to try to downplay the older Sky HD boxes and tempt people into Sky Q. For now we will wait until we want to move or have to move.

For the moment Sky are in a sense more in a battle with their own long term customers v the new streaming raised ones that they are trying to attract rather than really against any other service out there. But apparently Netflix is the one ap asked for the most on Sky Q but as yet there is no sign of it arriving - unlike on Virgin, where it has been for some time and has just been made more smooth in its integration.

Of course, with the tardy old Virgin Tivo smooth is very much a relative word. Though they have their own new Sky Q equivalent coming in 2017 - a new type of Tivo box.
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Old 13-10-2016, 16:03
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But like HBO's Game of Thrones, Netflix's most expensive show, The Crown, is made in the UK with British talent, so the remaining seasons should cost them less $$$.

I assume Amazon are paying Clarkson's production company in Sterling?
Osborne pushed through significant tax breaks to try to prevent top dramas being made overseas. It's worked rather like the tax breaks have got the likes of Star Wars, Justice League and Marvel to film here. The stronger dollar should encourage more of that.

Unfortunately, for mere consumers the price of services to Spotify, Apple, Netflix, Amazon, WWE and the NFL are likely to go up. As well as Marmite.
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Old 13-10-2016, 16:26
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The decision to make Sky Q the default new customer box and offer a £20 pm Sky Q entry level sub has only just been implemented.

They have started cutting the cost of purchasing the Q box equipment, too, in an attempt to win over existing customers.

Right now we have not moved for several reasons.

It would cost us money to stop using our existing two HD boxes that we own (but Sky have always fixed for free in practice to stop you leaving).

We would have to pay a three figure sum to get the equivalent Sky Q equipment as they still charge an upfront amount (just less than it was). And we would lose access to the recordings we have on Sky HD because Sky are not allowing you to operate both Sky HD boxes and Sky Q boxes together.

So you keep the largely useless HD boxes because they are your own but cannot use them (as they do not work with the LNB they fit for Sky Q) and pay to get the Sky Q boxes that you are now not owning but renting (Virgin style) and must return if you decide to quit Sky.

Plus in our case it would cost more to replace the recording capacity we currently have with Sky HD. And that is completely separate in two rooms whereas Sky Q only has one unit that records and streams that single recording medium to however many rooms you have the other boxes in.

So at present if one of your Sky HD boxes breaks you usually still have the other working until you get the other fixed. With Sky Q if your main box breaks then all your access in all rooms is stopped.

We do not yet have a UHD/4K TV and so the main advantage of having Sky Q for us is gone (we can already stream to our laptop with Sky HD) As and when we upgrade we might consider Sky Q as the UHD service has no extra sub attached. Though if and when they launch an actual channel (as opposed to just movies and sports when they are available from day to day as now) then that might change, of course.

So for now - and for the first time since we have had Sky (which dates to the 1980s when they were free!) - we have not been motivated to quickly upgrade to Sky Q on the basis it offered us something we wanted or needed or were really all that fussed over frankly.

That seems to be a problem with other existing Sky subscribers and so might be a reason they are changing tactics to try to downplay the older Sky HD boxes and tempt people into Sky Q. For now we will wait until we want to move or have to move.

For the moment Sky are in a sense more in a battle with their own long term customers v the new streaming raised ones that they are trying to attract rather than really against any other service out there. But apparently Netflix is the one ap asked for the most on Sky Q but as yet there is no sign of it arriving - unlike on Virgin, where it has been for some time and has just been made more smooth in its integration.

Of course, with the tardy old Virgin Tivo smooth is very much a relative word. Though they have their own new Sky Q equivalent coming in 2017 - a new type of Tivo box.
Thanks for all of that!

I'm not paying over £100 to get a new box. I pay sky £43 pcm for movies, sports and HD and that's a lot less than Q would cost (I assume). My TVs are not 4k and my projector is only normal and 3d (good for movies only these days).

Yes they need to add streaming apps to Q as it sort of makes Netflix and co part of the sky service. Rather like iPlayer and ITV Hub now are.

This is all a good example about why overnight ratings are significant rather than of critical importance. If twice as many people are watching a drama days after the live broadcast then the overnights are potentially very misleading.

For the BBC overnights should not matter at all since it is a pay tv service. ITV and others will need to put advertising in to ITV Hub.
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Old 13-10-2016, 17:27
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Any idea why I can't access iplayer at my library computer today? never happened before...
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Old 13-10-2016, 17:29
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From rzt:

Wed 12th October:

Great British Bake Off: 10.43m (45.5%)
The Missing: 6.02m (30.1%)
excellent...for both . Thought the missing made a good start too...
and benji shouldn't have gone on the BO!
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Old 13-10-2016, 17:33
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Polly Hill's influence at ITV starting to show, they've just announced four new dramas: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...n-and-next-kin
I am beginning to lose the plot with some of these new dramas though...or at least get them mixed up with one another!!
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Old 13-10-2016, 17:46
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I saw 5 minutes of X-Factor last night, now granted I never even finished the first series of the show, but in the mean time, the show has turned into a total travesty, which seems to be about anything but singing talent. If X-Factor gets low ratings, its because it deserves them.
tbh I watch the antiques roadshow instead!! Must be getting old! I did catch about 30 seconds of that duo who got the boot on XF...bloody awful that was!
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Old 13-10-2016, 18:23
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Hardly a surprise that black and Asian viewers are less likely to watch Strictly than white people. I suspect that age profiling matches well with race profiling. Cricket would be an exception.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ream-tv-dramas

People are bound to watch shows that they can relate more to.
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Old 13-10-2016, 18:33
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Digiguide suggesting the final two parts of The Fall will be shown Thursday 27 and Friday 28 October
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Old 13-10-2016, 18:38
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tbh I watch the antiques roadshow instead!! Must be getting old! I did catch about 30 seconds of that duo who got the boot on XF...bloody awful that was!
it was a TV in the work break room, so not really my choice, but good god the show is a travesty.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:31
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ITV is trailing The Next Great Magician. I suspect this will take over from The Chase on Sunday.
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:34
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Today's Manchester Evening News has a story - It's Sold Feet - House Prices Rocket After Return of Blockbuster TV series.

In this it traces the selling history of the houses in Didsbury used as the homes of the cast from the 1990s when it began to today.

Adam and Rachel's house was valued at £325 K when the first series was filmed and the owners were paid £150 per day of filming. He sold it in 2011 for £550 K and now the new series is on it is valued at £700 K.


John and Jenny's house has gone from £450 K during the first series and (after starring in Prime Suspect and Queer as Folk too) sold last year for £865 K.

These are not a patch on David and Karen's though. In Bowden in Cheshire this has gone from £450 K when filming first time around but the value is now running at over a million!

So ratings might be going down from 2000 to now but something is definitely going up partly due to Cold Feet.

The article does mention ratings - saying that the first return episode 'saw 8.4 million tune in' and 'it has now topped period extravaganza Victoria as ITVs most popular drama of 2016.'

It also says - 'the programme makers are planning a second series for next year.'
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:35
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ITV is trailing The Next Great Magician. I suspect this will take over from The Chase on Sunday.
Sounds about right. A bit of a weird fit but there's no room on Saturdays and I think This Time Next Year will get Wednesdays. Did it look any good?
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Old 13-10-2016, 20:42
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From rzt:

Wed 12th October:

Great British Bake Off: 10.43m (45.5%)
The Missing: 6.02m (30.1%)
I thought Bake Off might have been at an 11.0m average this week after last weeks 10.9m rating. Still a fantastic number obviously. Up 2.0m on last years 8th episode but worth remembering that episode clashed with Corrie Live and a second helping of Emmerdale at 8.30pm drawing respective overnights of 8.1m and 5.5m (exc +1) so denting Bake Off.

Superb start for The Missing. It's definitely making the most of that huge lead-out. And with 2 more episodes of Bake Off to follow, I can see The Missing locking in a solid number of viewers once it loses Bake Off.

ITV inc +1
Coronation Street: 6.48m (33.0%)
I wonder how Corrie will rate next week? Both itself and Emmerdale have huge weeks coming up. I can't see either adding than many though unfortunately. I bet both will add approx. 0.5m.
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Old 13-10-2016, 21:52
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Sounds about right. A bit of a weird fit but there's no room on Saturdays and I think This Time Next Year will get Wednesdays. Did it look any good?
Its was only a vague trailer, nothing from the episodes. It was more a collage of stills of magicians and illusionists.
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Old 13-10-2016, 21:55
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Does HIM have any chance of rating next Wednesday? I can't see it over 2m tbh.

For the usual ITV drama audience, its not load enough. Its also something different, so will get passed by. Whereas upcoming Dark Angel will do really well.
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Old 13-10-2016, 22:02
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ITV is trailing The Next Great Magician. I suspect this will take over from The Chase on Sunday.
They must have worked hard and put a lot of faith in to this this and Meet the Parents. Yet they send them over the top against SCD.
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Old 13-10-2016, 22:12
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They must have worked hard and put a lot of faith in to this this and Meet the Parents. Yet they send them over the top against SCD.
Meet The Parents has more chance of surviving opposite SCD as it will likely skew young. It will also fit with TXF demographic.
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Old 13-10-2016, 22:26
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Does HIM have any chance of rating next Wednesday? I can't see it over 2m tbh.

For the usual ITV drama audience, its not load enough. Its also something different, so will get passed by. Whereas upcoming Dark Angel will do really well.
They've had Dark Angel on the shelf for a while, it was meant to air at the beginning of the year but it got moved to a later date.

I wonder if ITV will slot Maigret on the 18th December against SPOTY and The Apprentice or perhaps Boxing Day? They have 3 Sundays available between IAC ending and Christmas Day so I assume they'll put Tina and Bobby in that slot if it doesn't go to Mondays
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Old 13-10-2016, 22:29
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The apprentice was much better tonight, hope it retains most of its audience
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Old 13-10-2016, 22:32
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Meet The Parents has more chance of surviving opposite SCD as it will likely skew young. It will also fit with TXF demographic.
That's fine if they've already said that 3m is good against Strictly. It's a bit like Mr and Mrs v Bake Off. But these are totally new shows with no traction and will get flamed on social media because that's what social media does. If they get 2.6m they'll be called flops and never build an audience.

MTP might have been better at 6pm where it can still draw a young audience. ITV is limited to Saturdays, Sundays and Wednesdays for shows like these and Big Shots and the new Davina one. Surely Tuesday could be tried? The soaps lock up other nights.
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