Just looked on BARB at Sky Sports 1's reach figure for the last two weeks compared with last year.

This year's are substantially higher.

I expect the fall in headline figures may well be due to new slots with longer running times.

There's also the Sky Q Factor. Is BARB counting watching on different screens and UHD which is delivered by red button?

From rzt:

Inc +1
Tipping Point Lucky Stars - 2.24m (12.6%)
Meet the Parents - 2.16m (10.3%)
The X Factor - 5.76m (28.0%)
*peak - 6.72m (33.1%) at 21:00
Jonathan Ross show - 2.52m (16.2%)

Strictly Come Dancing - 9.78m (46.3%)
*Peak - 10.76m (49.9%) at 19:55

Awful for XFactor and everything around it

Dire. Truly dire. Worse than I thought it would be. What an absolute cock up. That TXF rating is piss poor.

Meet The Parents is an absolute bomb. 7 more weeks to go. SCD has got a complete walk over.

With that rating I think ITV should pullit. Its bound to drop again next week.

Ouch. Really poor for X Factor. It shouldn't have gone below 6m and even the peak was below 7m. Something has clearly gone awry in the past couple of weeks. 2 weeks ago it peaked at 8.1m and last night was 6.7m. What the hell is it going to get on Halloween/Bonfire Night?

Disaster for the rest of the lineup too (which probably then didn't help XF). Meet The Parents was DOA.

Strictly - 9.78m (46.3%)
*Peak - 10.76m (49.9%) at 19:55

Higher than last week. Great figure.

Wonder how Dan R will spin the XFactor figure.

Pretty awful for TXF, I would hate to think what the figure is excluding +1

It can be said that the wheels have well and truly fallen off this time

Disaster for X Factor.

Meet The Parents was actually very good, and didn't deserve that rating. Shouldn't have been wasted in that slot.

I agree.

Perhaps ITV should throw on a Bond film before TXF and save the new LE shows for when Strictly has finished.

That would make more sense. MTP would probably have done better during the week.

Poor rating for X Factor and I'm not surprised.

The live shows aren't very good at all so far this year, I turned off after half an hour last night. None of the acts are very entertaining. They're all ok, not bad singers but nothing special. Honey G is actually one of the few who's interesting to watch!

I think they've ruined this year's series with some utterly baffling decisions at Judges Houses, where majority of the good acts got sent home.

Clearly those who said they would stop watching if they put through some 'joke' acts over good singers, meant it. It doesn't support the shows cause when the judges pretend a crap act is brilliant.

Excellent for Strictly - it is doing so well this year. The audience seems to be loving it too.

Looking at X Factor, up until a couple of weeks ago it was averaging over 7 million and peaking at over 8 million. The audience was clearly there. Not at the same level as in the past maybe but a solid audience and enough to post some year on year rises. That suggests that initial changes made such as the panel, Dermot and the room auditions worked. In many ways that was the easy part though as it's just fallen apart in the last couple of weeks.

With hindsight, I think some of the decisions made at judges houses were quite damaging. Particularly with Louis' groups and (to a lesser extent) Sharon's overs. Then I think you've got some general live show fatigue in play. People aren't as interested in these live weekly singing shows any more, the format isn't as appealing to casual audiences as the auditions. So I'm not really sure what they can do. The wheels seem to have spun off and unlike last year, the fixes aren't obvious. More viewer-friendly decisions at judges houses are obviously important but the show last night was really good and up there with the best they've done in years. That's the concerning thing, the figures have gone the way they have without the shows being bad. It would be interesting to see how much the JH decisions have played a part and how much of it is just general format fatigue. They'll be hoping it's more of the former so they've got a better shot at winning people back next year.

I think it'll stick in the 5s for the rest of the run now (certainly on Saturdays). A peak of 6.7m does nothing to suggest otherwise. The numbers on October 29th and November 5th could be really ugly.

A 4 MILLION gap between Strictly and X Factor.

I want a statement from Cowell.

Tipping Point is about half a million higher than YBF in that slot, so provided a better supported lead in. Perhaps The Chase would have been better here, paired with TP.

Dan will be along shortly

Quite. Most extraordinary. It may soon be at the point where even the old 'ITV can't afford to cancel it because nothing else would do any better' line won't be valid - and yet ITV have just saddled themselves with it for another three years. You have to begin to feel sorry for them.

It will be the BBC's fault for scheduling against them

Has your argument about X Factor lead ins and competing with Strictly now gone completely full circle?

You were adamant that previously the YBF pre-lead in was to blame.

What on Earth happened to The X Factor??? It's not as though the live shows have been bad either; not compared to last year anyway. Maybe they did build up the likes of Caitlyn and James too much in the auditions but I can't see then putting on a better show with them there. Is this the first year of the new deal or is that next series? Because with the live show declines it's going to look little better than the rest of ITV's input at this rate. Is Simon going to make wholesale changes again next year? What more can he do?

Excellent for Strictly though neither show really took advantage of the smaller clash.

What's to say they don't do the same thing next year? It does seem the producers and Cowell can't help themselves. Every year has to have a 'joke' act. Viewers are tiring of it, so much so, they are turning off at the mere sniff of rubbish like this. Thankfully we got rid of one last week, one to go. But the damage is done.

How many more lessons need to be leart before the show cannot recover at all?

Tipping Point's audience built through the hour to around 2.8m at 6.50pm. It was a slightly better offering than YBF but nothing special. I think it could grow a bit though as the clocks go back. Plus, did most of its normal audience even know it was there? I saw no promotion for it at all, so I could see it picking up a few more.

Meet The Parents got off to a dire start. The reaction seemed fairly good but then it did for Go For It too. Only 7 more weeks! It's getting to the stage where you wonder if they'd be better off just running a Harry Potter season against Strictly and not bothering with new content.

They'd be slammed for giving the BBC an easy ride like they are every Tuesday.

They'd be slammed for ensuring TXF a has poor lead in.

Nope. If TXF has a better lead it, it would have had a better supportive schedule. That doesn't mean to suggest TXf would have been 1m higher, more like 0.5m if it had a 3m+ lead in.

But the decisions that have been made on TXF has aided in its collapse.

What are your thoughts on the ratings? I'm interested.