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#8751 |
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It's tough for Cowell and ITV. The live shows of the the last weeks have been among the best for years- and this panel easily has the best chemistry since the 2010 series.
And regardless of the debate on here, this year's "joke" act is one of the highlights. It's baffling but I think it's just general format fatigue |
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Nope. If TXF has a better lead it, it would have had a better supportive schedule. That doesn't mean to suggest TXf would have been 1m higher, more like 0.5m if it had a 3m+ lead in.
But the decisions that have been made on TXF has aided in its collapse. What are your thoughts on the ratings? I'm interested. |
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From Steve Williams
Meet the Parents 1.67m -HD X Factor 4.23m -HD Ross 1.87m -HD Catsdown 870k Football on 5 Pt 1 410k Pt 2 370k Xtra Factor 260k exc +1 Lottery 3.63m Casualty 4.21m Casualty 3.15m (think this might be Pointless?) Dad's Army 1.48m Sue Townsend 950k Department Q 430k |
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Tipping Point's audience built through the hour to around 2.8m at 6.50pm. It was a slightly better offering than YBF but nothing special. I think it could grow a bit though as the clocks go back. Plus, did most of its normal audience even know it was there? I saw no promotion for it at all, so I could see it picking up a few more.
Meet The Parents got off to a dire start. The reaction seemed fairly good but then it did for Go For It too. Only 7 more weeks! It's getting to the stage where you wonder if they'd be better off just running a Harry Potter season against Strictly and not bothering with new content. Yeah, no promotion for Tipping Point didn't help. But it did manage a better figure than YBF which is a step in the right direction. With promotion it might have been over nearer to 3m. But I agree that I think any NEW light ent. format here is just going to bomb against SCD, because it will just get lost. Viewers stop watching TXf on ITV on Sat/Sun, are hardly going to bether with the filler around it. Perhaps films would be better. Harry Potter seems the best option. The problem is, as viewers fall out of love with TXF, they get into SCD. Thus stregthening the latters resiliance. |
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What on Earth happened to The X Factor??? It's not as though the live shows have been bad either; not compared to last year anyway. Maybe they did build up the likes of Caitlyn and James too much in the auditions but I can't see then putting on a better show with them there. Is this the first year of the new deal or is that next series? Because with the live show declines it's going to look little better than the rest of ITV's input at this rate. Is Simon going to make wholesale changes again next year? What more can he do?
Excellent for Strictly though neither show took advantage of the smaller clash. Looking at how it held up OK with the longer clash last week (did better than last night!) I wonder if next year they might just be better putting it at around 7pm and making more use of the time after it to try and launch something new. XF clearly isn't going to last forever and the current setup doesn't allow anything else to have a shot. Having said that - 5.8m is the sort of figure Corrie and EastEnders have been getting lately and no one seems to be questioning their future, so... Quote:
What's to say they don't do the same thing next year? It does seem the producers and Cowell can't help themselves. Every year has to have a 'joke' act. Viewers are tiring of it, so much so, they are turning off at the mere sniff of rubbish like this. Thankfully we got rid of one last week, one to go. But the damage is done.
How many more lessons need to be leart before the show cannot recover at all? |
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Nope. If TXF has a better lead it, it would have had a better supportive schedule. That doesn't mean to suggest TXf would have been 1m higher, more like 0.5m if it had a 3m+ lead in.
But the decisions that have been made on TXF has aided in its collapse. What are your thoughts on the ratings? I'm interested. |
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What's to say they don't do the same thing next year? It does seem the producers and Cowell can't help themselves. Every year has to have a 'joke' act. Viewers are tiring of it, so much so, they are turning off at the mere sniff of rubbish like this. Thankfully we got rid of one last week, one to go. But the damage is done.
How many more lessons need to be leart before the show cannot recover at all? They'll probably do a Voice and radically cut the live shows in future runs before saying goodbye to it in three years time. That or, if Britain's Got Talent is still doing well and Simon is tying the two up in the contract, switching it away from Strictly. |
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Wonder how Dan R will spin the XFactor figure.
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Quite. Most extraordinary. It may soon be at the point where even the old 'ITV can't afford to cancel it because nothing else would do any better' line won't be valid - and yet ITV have just saddled themselves with it for another three years. You have to begin to feel sorry for them.
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The X Factor - 5.76m (28.0%)
*peak - 6.72m (33.1%) at 21:00 Estimating a timshift of 27%, I make that number 7.3m, not very different from the other live weeks this year & last. |
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Nope. If TXF has a better lead it, it would have had a better supportive schedule. That doesn't mean to suggest TXf would have been 1m higher, more like 0.5m if it had a 3m+ lead in.
But the decisions that have been made on TXF has aided in its collapse. What are your thoughts on the ratings? I'm interested. Outside of the biggest shows or old old skewing long running shows, nothing does well on Saturdays on any channel and especially not when up against a massive show on the other channel. |
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There's no spinning that X Factor figure. Diabolical. The show seems to be all about the judges this year, more so than ever before really. The camera *must* be on Nicole. She just can't help herself. And then there's Sharon. Her random outbursts and comedy errors were funny in 2006, not 2016. I just don't think the public care anymore, we've seen it all before.
It's quite sad to see them relying so heavily on Honey G to create social media chatter. It just shows how far the show has fallen. |
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X Factor was great this year, which ratings reflected, until the Judges Houses.
The decisions that weekend were so, so baffling and it looks to have killed this year's series really. |
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Please refrain from making personal remarks on this thread, there's much I could say about your bias too.
Funny, I seem to remember you constantly defending The Voice in the past, I wonder what your thoughts are on it losing a quarter of its audience in one year. XF is in way better health as other numbers this series have suggested. The share dipped less than the average, suggesting there were far, far fewer people watching TV than in the previous week. We shall see where it lands tonight & next week. Estimating a timshift of 27%, I make that number 7.3m, not very different from the other live weeks this year & last. Nicole exposing herself and Sharon appearing drunk was just awful. |
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I think the show's goose is cooked now. They could try and bring back Cheryl and Dannii for Sharon and Nicole to recreate the 'peak' panel but they wouldn't be as nearly as entertaining; especially as Louis doesn't particularly get on with either of the two women.
They'll probably do a Voice and radically cut the live shows in future runs before saying goodbye to it in three years time. That or, if Britain's Got Talent is still doing well and Simon is tying the two up in the contract, switching it away from Strictly. |
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SCD 4million ahead now. Ouch! No other word for it.
It's a shame because TXF was OK last night. |
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They'll probably do a Voice and radically cut the live shows in future runs before saying goodbye to it in three years time. That or, if Britain's Got Talent is still doing well and Simon is tying the two up in the contract, switching it away from Strictly.
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Having said that - 5.8m is the sort of figure Corrie and EastEnders have been getting late,y and no one seems to be questioning their future, so...
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If ITV's other new entertainment formats do well, I'd move X Factor into the middle of the week. 5m on a weeknight would be respectable.
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5 minute breakdown, adapted from rzt's post on t'other place.
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Time BBC 1 ITV (inc. +1) 18:00 4.38m (28.5%) 1.76m (11.5%) 18:05 4.56m (29.0%) 1.87m (11.9%) 18:10 4.85m (30.2%) 1.95m (12.1%) 18:15 5.17m (31.7%) 1.96m (12.0%) 18:20 5.47m (32.4%) 2.21m (13.1%) 18:25 6.24m (36.0%) 2.20m (12.7%) 18:30 7.19m (39.4%) 2.38m (13.1%) 18:35 8.13m (42.0%) 2.52m (13.0%) 18:40 8.84m (44.4%) 2.38m (12.0%) 18:45 8.81m (43.9%) 2.59m (12.9%) 18:50 9.19m (44.7%) 2.76m (13.4%) 18:55 9.32m (46.0%) 2.16m (10.6%) 19:00 9.67m (47.4%) 1.92m (9.4%) 19:05 9.96m (48.0%) 1.96m (9.5%) 19:10 9.83m (47.3%) 1.97m (9.5%) 19:15 10.25m (48.5%) 1.94m (9.2%) 19:20 10.26m (48.4%) 2.10m (9.9%) 19:25 10.44m (49.8%) 1.98m (9.5%) 19:30 10.50m (49.8%) 2.19m (10.4%) 19:35 10.38m (49.0%) 2.34m (11.0%) 19:40 10.64m (49.8%) 2.33m (10.9%) 19:45 10.47m (49.6%) 2.43m (11.5%) 19:50 10.52m (49.0%) 2.64m (12.3%) 19:55 10.76m (49.9%) 2.60m (12.1%) 20:00 10.40m (46.1%) 4.28m (19.0%) 20:05 10.26m (44.3%) 5.12m (22.1%) 20:10 10.47m (44.5%) 5.14m (21.8%) 20:15 10.32m (43.4%) 5.45m (23.0%) 20:20 8.33m (38.7%) 4.63m (21.5%) 20:25 4.54m (21.6%) 6.68m (31.8%) 20:30 3.55m (17.4%) 6.73m (33.0%) 20:35 3.41m (16.6%) 6.59m (32.1%) 20:40 3.36m (17.1%) 5.62m (28.6%) 20:45 3.30m (16.0%) 6.69m (32.4%) 20:50 3.44m (17.4%) 5.60m (28.3%) 20:55 3.58m (17.6%) 6.65m (32.7%) 21:00 3.59m (17.7%) 6.72m (33.1%) 21:05 3.66m (18.3%) 6.34m (31.7%) 21:10 3.83m (20.1%) 5.26m (27.6%) 21:15 3.85m (19.0%) 6.58m (32.5%) 21:20 3.97m (20.2%) 5.71m (29.1%) 21:25 4.02m (20.4%) 5.78m (29.3%) 21:30 4.07m (20.4%) 6.09m (30.5%) 21:35 4.16m (20.8%) 6.19m (31.0%) 21:40 4.20m (21.7%) 5.10m (26.4%) 21:45 4.25m (21.0%) 5.96m (29.5%) 21:50 4.27m (21.5%) 5.33m (26.8%) 21:55 4.50m (23.3%) 4.08m (21.1%) 22:00 4.86m (26.4%) 2.89m (15.7%) 22:05 3.74m (21.6%) 2.89m (16.7%) 22:10 3.89m (23.1%) 2.82m (16.7%) 22:15 4.04m (24.1%) 2.77m (16.6%) 22:20 3.81m (23.1%) 2.50m (15.2%) 22:25 3.36m (20.8%) 2.84m (17.5%) 22:30 3.68m (23.2%) 2.84m (17.9%) 22:35 3.66m (23.8%) 2.48m (16.2%) 22:40 3.73m (24.4%) 2.44m (16.0%) 22:45 3.72m (24.9%) 2.32m (15.5%) 22:50 3.56m (24.6%) 2.23m (15.4%) 22:55 3.42m (24.4%) 2.22m (15.8%) |
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Clearly those who said they would stop watching if they put through some 'joke' acts over good singers, meant it. It doesn't support the shows cause when the judges pretend a crap act is brilliant.
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SCD 4million ahead now. Ouch! No other word for it.
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Nicole exposing herself and Sharon appearing drunk was just awful.
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It's quite sad to see them relying so heavily on Honey G to create social media chatter. It just shows how far the show has fallen.
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Predictable, the shows before TXF were never going to reach the levels you were expecting, new formats or by their very nature light formats up against one of the biggest shows on TV.
Outside of the biggest shows or old old skewing long running shows, nothing does well on Saturdays on any channel and especially not when up against a massive show on the other channel. Look at BBC1. They can get 3.6m against TXF for a piss-poor lottery quiz. Against IAC they can still get an audience. That is partly down to the fact the BBC has a bigger loyal audience, but also they do seem to have so many more stronger shows. But what do you think of the ratings last night? All you seem to think I'm doing is being unfair on ITV. |
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X Factor was great this year, which ratings reflected, until the Judges Houses.
The decisions that weekend were so, so baffling and it looks to have killed this year's series really. |
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XF is way better with alcohol involved.
Though to be fair you did see the decline coming for last night's episode - many of us thought the smaller clash would result in an increase. |
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Dreadful figure for TXF. I'm not surprised though. I can't imagine a Motown theme does much for its target audience.
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5 minute breakdown, adapted from rzt's post on t'other place.
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Time BBC 1 ITV (inc. +1) 18:00 4.38m (28.5%) 1.76m (11.5%) 18:05 4.56m (29.0%) 1.87m (11.9%) 18:10 4.85m (30.2%) 1.95m (12.1%) 18:15 5.17m (31.7%) 1.96m (12.0%) 18:20 5.47m (32.4%) 2.21m (13.1%) 18:25 6.24m (36.0%) 2.20m (12.7%) 18:30 7.19m (39.4%) 2.38m (13.1%) 18:35 8.13m (42.0%) 2.52m (13.0%) 18:40 8.84m (44.4%) 2.38m (12.0%) 18:45 8.81m (43.9%) 2.59m (12.9%) 18:50 9.19m (44.7%) 2.76m (13.4%) 18:55 9.32m (46.0%) 2.16m (10.6%) 19:00 9.67m (47.4%) 1.92m (9.4%) 19:05 9.96m (48.0%) 1.96m (9.5%) 19:10 9.83m (47.3%) 1.97m (9.5%) 19:15 10.25m (48.5%) 1.94m (9.2%) 19:20 10.26m (48.4%) 2.10m (9.9%) 19:25 10.44m (49.8%) 1.98m (9.5%) 19:30 10.50m (49.8%) 2.19m (10.4%) 19:35 10.38m (49.0%) 2.34m (11.0%) 19:40 10.64m (49.8%) 2.33m (10.9%) 19:45 10.47m (49.6%) 2.43m (11.5%) 19:50 10.52m (49.0%) 2.64m (12.3%) 19:55 10.76m (49.9%) 2.60m (12.1%) 20:00 10.40m (46.1%) 4.28m (19.0%) 20:05 10.26m (44.3%) 5.12m (22.1%) 20:10 10.47m (44.5%) 5.14m (21.8%) 20:15 10.32m (43.4%) 5.45m (23.0%) 20:20 8.33m (38.7%) 4.63m (21.5%) 20:25 4.54m (21.6%) 6.68m (31.8%) 20:30 3.55m (17.4%) 6.73m (33.0%) 20:35 3.41m (16.6%) 6.59m (32.1%) 20:40 3.36m (17.1%) 5.62m (28.6%) 20:45 3.30m (16.0%) 6.69m (32.4%) 20:50 3.44m (17.4%) 5.60m (28.3%) 20:55 3.58m (17.6%) 6.65m (32.7%) 21:00 3.59m (17.7%) 6.72m (33.1%) 21:05 3.66m (18.3%) 6.34m (31.7%) 21:10 3.83m (20.1%) 5.26m (27.6%) 21:15 3.85m (19.0%) 6.58m (32.5%) 21:20 3.97m (20.2%) 5.71m (29.1%) 21:25 4.02m (20.4%) 5.78m (29.3%) 21:30 4.07m (20.4%) 6.09m (30.5%) 21:35 4.16m (20.8%) 6.19m (31.0%) 21:40 4.20m (21.7%) 5.10m (26.4%) 21:45 4.25m (21.0%) 5.96m (29.5%) 21:50 4.27m (21.5%) 5.33m (26.8%) 21:55 4.50m (23.3%) 4.08m (21.1%) 22:00 4.86m (26.4%) 2.89m (15.7%) 22:05 3.74m (21.6%) 2.89m (16.7%) 22:10 3.89m (23.1%) 2.82m (16.7%) 22:15 4.04m (24.1%) 2.77m (16.6%) 22:20 3.81m (23.1%) 2.50m (15.2%) 22:25 3.36m (20.8%) 2.84m (17.5%) 22:30 3.68m (23.2%) 2.84m (17.9%) 22:35 3.66m (23.8%) 2.48m (16.2%) 22:40 3.73m (24.4%) 2.44m (16.0%) 22:45 3.72m (24.9%) 2.32m (15.5%) 22:50 3.56m (24.6%) 2.23m (15.4%) 22:55 3.42m (24.4%) 2.22m (15.8%) Nearly hitting 50% - should do soon. Did the XFactor finish at 10 or 9:45? |
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