The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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soupnazi

16-10-2016

It's tough for Cowell and ITV. The live shows of the the last weeks have been among the best for years- and this panel easily has the best chemistry since the 2010 series.

And regardless of the debate on here, this year's "joke" act is one of the highlights.

It's baffling but I think it's just general format fatigue

ftv

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Nope. If TXF has a better lead it, it would have had a better supportive schedule. That doesn't mean to suggest TXf would have been 1m higher, more like 0.5m if it had a 3m+ lead in.

But the decisions that have been made on TXF has aided in its collapse.

What are your thoughts on the ratings? I'm interested.”

We haven't had figures for any BBC programmes apart from Strictly I'm interested to see if Casualty is continuing to hold up well

RickLopez

16-10-2016

From Steve Williams

Meet the Parents 1.67m -HD
X Factor 4.23m -HD
Ross 1.87m -HD
Catsdown 870k
Football on 5 Pt 1 410k
Pt 2 370k
Xtra Factor 260k

exc +1

Lottery 3.63m
Casualty 4.21m
Casualty 3.15m (think this might be Pointless?)
Dad's Army 1.48m
Sue Townsend 950k
Department Q 430k

H of De Vil

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Score:
“Tipping Point's audience built through the hour to around 2.8m at 6.50pm. It was a slightly better offering than YBF but nothing special. I think it could grow a bit though as the clocks go back. Plus, did most of its normal audience even know it was there? I saw no promotion for it at all, so I could see it picking up a few more.

Meet The Parents got off to a dire start. The reaction seemed fairly good but then it did for Go For It too. Only 7 more weeks! It's getting to the stage where you wonder if they'd be better off just running a Harry Potter season against Strictly and not bothering with new content.”

Yeah, no promotion for Tipping Point didn't help. But it did manage a better figure than YBF which is a step in the right direction. With promotion it might have been over nearer to 3m.

But I agree that I think any NEW light ent. format here is just going to bomb against SCD, because it will just get lost. Viewers stop watching TXf on ITV on Sat/Sun, are hardly going to bether with the filler around it.

Perhaps films would be better. Harry Potter seems the best option.

The problem is, as viewers fall out of love with TXF, they get into SCD. Thus stregthening the latters resiliance.

Score

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“What on Earth happened to The X Factor??? It's not as though the live shows have been bad either; not compared to last year anyway. Maybe they did build up the likes of Caitlyn and James too much in the auditions but I can't see then putting on a better show with them there. Is this the first year of the new deal or is that next series? Because with the live show declines it's going to look little better than the rest of ITV's input at this rate. Is Simon going to make wholesale changes again next year? What more can he do?

Excellent for Strictly though neither show took advantage of the smaller clash.”

I'd rather not have wholesale changes again. It'd only make matters worse. I agree that it wouldn't be a better show with those acts there but I think the audience liked them and got pissed off with who got through over them. It probably didn't help that Relley got no screen time in the pre-recorded rounds and Saara annoyed people after her six chair strop, which will have made it seem like more of an injustice (even though both are doing well on the live shows). Whilst if Louis had put 4 of Diamonds through initially instead of The Brooks (who I don't think anyone liked in the first place) Brattavio's inclusion wouldn't have seemed quite as bad. But they shouldn't have bothered with Brattavio in the first place. They can just about get away with one joke act but not 2.

Looking at how it held up OK with the longer clash last week (did better than last night!) I wonder if next year they might just be better putting it at around 7pm and making more use of the time after it to try and launch something new. XF clearly isn't going to last forever and the current setup doesn't allow anything else to have a shot.

Having said that - 5.8m is the sort of figure Corrie and EastEnders have been getting lately and no one seems to be questioning their future, so...

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“What's to say they don't do the same thing next year? It does seem the producers and Cowell can't help themselves. Every year has to have a 'joke' act. Viewers are tiring of it, so much so, they are turning off at the mere sniff of rubbish like this. Thankfully we got rid of one last week, one to go. But the damage is done.

How many more lessons need to be leart before the show cannot recover at all?”

I think one joke act is fine but 2 was clearly pushing it too far. Honey G is at least kind of interesting in the "is she real or not?" sense which is why I can see her lasting a couple more weeks yet. Brattavio were talentless, unlikeable and unfunny though. They may as well have not bothered and I think they have cost them a few viewers this year.

Aaron_2015

16-10-2016

It would make no difference whatsoever, especially at the live shows. Why would any casual viewers carry on watching ITV if they wouldn't normally be watching? Don't see the logic at all.

Fudd

16-10-2016

I think the show's goose is cooked now. They could try and bring back Cheryl and Dannii for Sharon and Nicole to recreate the 'peak' panel but they wouldn't be as nearly as entertaining; especially as Louis doesn't particularly get on with either of the two women.

They'll probably do a Voice and radically cut the live shows in future runs before saying goodbye to it in three years time. That or, if Britain's Got Talent is still doing well and Simon is tying the two up in the contract, switching it away from Strictly.

Dan R

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by RickLopez:
“Wonder how Dan R will spin the XFactor figure.”

Please refrain from making personal remarks on this thread, there's much I could say about your bias too.

Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Quite. Most extraordinary. It may soon be at the point where even the old 'ITV can't afford to cancel it because nothing else would do any better' line won't be valid - and yet ITV have just saddled themselves with it for another three years. You have to begin to feel sorry for them.”

Funny, I seem to remember you constantly defending The Voice in the past, I wonder what your thoughts are on it losing a quarter of its audience in one year. XF is in way better health as other numbers this series have suggested.

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“The X Factor - 5.76m (28.0%)
*peak - 6.72m (33.1%) at 21:00”

The share dipped less than the average, suggesting there were far, far fewer people watching TV than in the previous week. We shall see where it lands tonight & next week.

Estimating a timshift of 27%, I make that number 7.3m, not very different from the other live weeks this year & last.

Andy23

16-10-2016

Predictable, the shows before TXF were never going to reach the levels you were expecting, new formats or by their very nature light formats up against one of the biggest shows on TV.

Outside of the biggest shows or old old skewing long running shows, nothing does well on Saturdays on any channel and especially not when up against a massive show on the other channel.

DanManF1

16-10-2016

There's no spinning that X Factor figure. Diabolical. The show seems to be all about the judges this year, more so than ever before really. The camera *must* be on Nicole. She just can't help herself. And then there's Sharon. Her random outbursts and comedy errors were funny in 2006, not 2016. I just don't think the public care anymore, we've seen it all before.

It's quite sad to see them relying so heavily on Honey G to create social media chatter. It just shows how far the show has fallen.

Ryan_Richards

16-10-2016

X Factor was great this year, which ratings reflected, until the Judges Houses.

The decisions that weekend were so, so baffling and it looks to have killed this year's series really.

Aaron_2015

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Please refrain from making personal remarks on this thread, there's much I could say about your bias too.

Funny, I seem to remember you constantly defending The Voice in the past, I wonder what your thoughts are on it losing a quarter of its audience in one year. XF is in way better health as other numbers this series have suggested.

The share dipped less than the average, suggesting there were far, far fewer people watching TV than in the previous week. We shall see where it lands tonight & next week.

Estimating a timshift of 27%, I make that number 7.3m, not very different from the other live weeks this year & last.”

Sorry but there is no positive spin you can add.

Nicole exposing herself and Sharon appearing drunk was just awful.

Score

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I think the show's goose is cooked now. They could try and bring back Cheryl and Dannii for Sharon and Nicole to recreate the 'peak' panel but they wouldn't be as nearly as entertaining; especially as Louis doesn't particularly get on with either of the two women.

They'll probably do a Voice and radically cut the live shows in future runs before saying goodbye to it in three years time. That or, if Britain's Got Talent is still doing well and Simon is tying the two up in the contract, switching it away from Strictly.”

Bringing back Cheryl and Dannii would make things worse not better. The panel has been praised this year, there's no point in changing it again. They tried cutting the live shows last year and people didn't like it, although admittedly they still had a fair number. I'm not sure what options they've got left, they've tried most of them now.

mogzyboy

16-10-2016

SCD 4million ahead now. Ouch! No other word for it.

It's a shame because TXF was OK last night.

Nostlagic

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“They'll probably do a Voice and radically cut the live shows in future runs before saying goodbye to it in three years time. That or, if Britain's Got Talent is still doing well and Simon is tying the two up in the contract, switching it away from Strictly.”

Not a bad idea. BGT would do gangbusters in the lead up to Christmas.

Fudd

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Score:
“Having said that - 5.8m is the sort of figure Corrie and EastEnders have been getting late,y and no one seems to be questioning their future, so...”

But they're cheaper to make, they're made in house and their decline has been more gradual and in line with the majority of shows around them ( rather than a 4m gap) - The X Factor has lost 2.5m viewers in a matter of weeks.

Aaron_2015

16-10-2016

If ITV's other new entertainment formats do well, I'd move X Factor into the middle of the week. 5m on a weeknight would be respectable.

lewiep93

16-10-2016

5 minute breakdown, adapted from rzt's post on t'other place.

Code:

Time	BBC 1		ITV (inc. +1)
18:00	4.38m (28.5%)	1.76m (11.5%)
18:05	4.56m (29.0%)	1.87m (11.9%)
18:10	4.85m (30.2%)	1.95m (12.1%)
18:15	5.17m (31.7%)	1.96m (12.0%)
18:20	5.47m (32.4%)	2.21m (13.1%)
18:25	6.24m (36.0%)	2.20m (12.7%)
18:30	7.19m (39.4%)	2.38m (13.1%)
18:35	8.13m (42.0%)	2.52m (13.0%)
18:40	8.84m (44.4%)	2.38m (12.0%)
18:45	8.81m (43.9%)	2.59m (12.9%)
18:50	9.19m (44.7%)	2.76m (13.4%)
18:55	9.32m (46.0%)	2.16m (10.6%)
19:00	9.67m (47.4%)	1.92m (9.4%)
19:05	9.96m (48.0%)	1.96m (9.5%)
19:10	9.83m (47.3%)	1.97m (9.5%)
19:15	10.25m (48.5%)	1.94m (9.2%)
19:20	10.26m (48.4%)	2.10m (9.9%)
19:25	10.44m (49.8%)	1.98m (9.5%)
19:30	10.50m (49.8%)	2.19m (10.4%)
19:35	10.38m (49.0%)	2.34m (11.0%)
19:40	10.64m (49.8%)	2.33m (10.9%)
19:45	10.47m (49.6%)	2.43m (11.5%)
19:50	10.52m (49.0%)	2.64m (12.3%)
19:55	10.76m (49.9%)	2.60m (12.1%)
20:00	10.40m (46.1%)	4.28m (19.0%)
20:05	10.26m (44.3%)	5.12m (22.1%)
20:10	10.47m (44.5%)	5.14m (21.8%)
20:15	10.32m (43.4%)	5.45m (23.0%)
20:20	8.33m (38.7%)	4.63m (21.5%)
20:25	4.54m (21.6%)	6.68m (31.8%)
20:30	3.55m (17.4%)	6.73m (33.0%)
20:35	3.41m (16.6%)	6.59m (32.1%)
20:40	3.36m (17.1%)	5.62m (28.6%)
20:45	3.30m (16.0%)	6.69m (32.4%)
20:50	3.44m (17.4%)	5.60m (28.3%)
20:55	3.58m (17.6%)	6.65m (32.7%)
21:00	3.59m (17.7%)	6.72m (33.1%)
21:05	3.66m (18.3%)	6.34m (31.7%)
21:10	3.83m (20.1%)	5.26m (27.6%)
21:15	3.85m (19.0%)	6.58m (32.5%)
21:20	3.97m (20.2%)	5.71m (29.1%)
21:25	4.02m (20.4%)	5.78m (29.3%)
21:30	4.07m (20.4%)	6.09m (30.5%)
21:35	4.16m (20.8%)	6.19m (31.0%)
21:40	4.20m (21.7%)	5.10m (26.4%)
21:45	4.25m (21.0%)	5.96m (29.5%)
21:50	4.27m (21.5%)	5.33m (26.8%)
21:55	4.50m (23.3%)	4.08m (21.1%)
22:00	4.86m (26.4%)	2.89m (15.7%)
22:05	3.74m (21.6%)	2.89m (16.7%)
22:10	3.89m (23.1%)	2.82m (16.7%)
22:15	4.04m (24.1%)	2.77m (16.6%)
22:20	3.81m (23.1%)	2.50m (15.2%)
22:25	3.36m (20.8%)	2.84m (17.5%)
22:30	3.68m (23.2%)	2.84m (17.9%)
22:35	3.66m (23.8%)	2.48m (16.2%)
22:40	3.73m (24.4%)	2.44m (16.0%)
22:45	3.72m (24.9%)	2.32m (15.5%)
22:50	3.56m (24.6%)	2.23m (15.4%)
22:55	3.42m (24.4%)	2.22m (15.8%)

Jokanovic

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Clearly those who said they would stop watching if they put through some 'joke' acts over good singers, meant it. It doesn't support the shows cause when the judges pretend a crap act is brilliant.”

I would say exactly this.

Dan R

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“SCD 4million ahead now. Ouch! No other word for it.”

It was 4m ahead least year too, nothing new. The comparisons don't matter, the individual numbers do.

Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Nicole exposing herself and Sharon appearing drunk was just awful.”

It's all great fun. Did you enjoy watching Cheryl, Nick and Rita's monotone droning last year?
XF is way better with alcohol involved.

Originally Posted by DanManF1:
“It's quite sad to see them relying so heavily on Honey G to create social media chatter. It just shows how far the show has fallen.”

Oh yeah, because they Jedward & Wagner etc. definitely didn't help their series generate chatter at all did they?

H of De Vil

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Predictable, the shows before TXF were never going to reach the levels you were expecting, new formats or by their very nature light formats up against one of the biggest shows on TV.

Outside of the biggest shows or old old skewing long running shows, nothing does well on Saturdays on any channel and especially not when up against a massive show on the other channel.”

Right so you are saying a figure of 2.2m for Meet The Parents is fine because nothing will rate as high as my expectation, if ITV tried other things in that slot?

Look at BBC1. They can get 3.6m against TXF for a piss-poor lottery quiz. Against IAC they can still get an audience. That is partly down to the fact the BBC has a bigger loyal audience, but also they do seem to have so many more stronger shows.

But what do you think of the ratings last night? All you seem to think I'm doing is being unfair on ITV.

Fudd

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Ryan_Richards:
“X Factor was great this year, which ratings reflected, until the Judges Houses.

The decisions that weekend were so, so baffling and it looks to have killed this year's series really.”

I don't think the decisions themselves were bad ones - the likes of Caitlyn and James (the latter particularly) were not capable of putting on a show. But Relley C should have been given more air time heading into the lives and built up more plus Samantha, Ryan and Saara should have been put through via the normal method rather than returning as wildcards. I don't think Bratavio were the big mistake some make them out to be - in 2010 nearly a quarter of the acts (Niccolo, Diva Fever, Wagner) were joke acts. They got rud of the ones which didn't work and ran with the one which did - same as this year.

Fudd

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“XF is way better with alcohol involved.”

Particularly when it's the viewers who are drinking it.

Though to be fair you did see the decline coming for last night's episode - many of us thought the smaller clash would result in an increase.

Rob1985

16-10-2016

Dreadful figure for TXF. I'm not surprised though. I can't imagine a Motown theme does much for its target audience.

RickLopez

16-10-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“5 minute breakdown, adapted from rzt's post on t'other place.

Code:

Time BBC 1 ITV (inc. +1) 18:00 4.38m (28.5%) 1.76m (11.5%) 18:05 4.56m (29.0%) 1.87m (11.9%) 18:10 4.85m (30.2%) 1.95m (12.1%) 18:15 5.17m (31.7%) 1.96m (12.0%) 18:20 5.47m (32.4%) 2.21m (13.1%) 18:25 6.24m (36.0%) 2.20m (12.7%) 18:30 7.19m (39.4%) 2.38m (13.1%) 18:35 8.13m (42.0%) 2.52m (13.0%) 18:40 8.84m (44.4%) 2.38m (12.0%) 18:45 8.81m (43.9%) 2.59m (12.9%) 18:50 9.19m (44.7%) 2.76m (13.4%) 18:55 9.32m (46.0%) 2.16m (10.6%) 19:00 9.67m (47.4%) 1.92m (9.4%) 19:05 9.96m (48.0%) 1.96m (9.5%) 19:10 9.83m (47.3%) 1.97m (9.5%) 19:15 10.25m (48.5%) 1.94m (9.2%) 19:20 10.26m (48.4%) 2.10m (9.9%) 19:25 10.44m (49.8%) 1.98m (9.5%) 19:30 10.50m (49.8%) 2.19m (10.4%) 19:35 10.38m (49.0%) 2.34m (11.0%) 19:40 10.64m (49.8%) 2.33m (10.9%) 19:45 10.47m (49.6%) 2.43m (11.5%) 19:50 10.52m (49.0%) 2.64m (12.3%) 19:55 10.76m (49.9%) 2.60m (12.1%) 20:00 10.40m (46.1%) 4.28m (19.0%) 20:05 10.26m (44.3%) 5.12m (22.1%) 20:10 10.47m (44.5%) 5.14m (21.8%) 20:15 10.32m (43.4%) 5.45m (23.0%) 20:20 8.33m (38.7%) 4.63m (21.5%) 20:25 4.54m (21.6%) 6.68m (31.8%) 20:30 3.55m (17.4%) 6.73m (33.0%) 20:35 3.41m (16.6%) 6.59m (32.1%) 20:40 3.36m (17.1%) 5.62m (28.6%) 20:45 3.30m (16.0%) 6.69m (32.4%) 20:50 3.44m (17.4%) 5.60m (28.3%) 20:55 3.58m (17.6%) 6.65m (32.7%) 21:00 3.59m (17.7%) 6.72m (33.1%) 21:05 3.66m (18.3%) 6.34m (31.7%) 21:10 3.83m (20.1%) 5.26m (27.6%) 21:15 3.85m (19.0%) 6.58m (32.5%) 21:20 3.97m (20.2%) 5.71m (29.1%) 21:25 4.02m (20.4%) 5.78m (29.3%) 21:30 4.07m (20.4%) 6.09m (30.5%) 21:35 4.16m (20.8%) 6.19m (31.0%) 21:40 4.20m (21.7%) 5.10m (26.4%) 21:45 4.25m (21.0%) 5.96m (29.5%) 21:50 4.27m (21.5%) 5.33m (26.8%) 21:55 4.50m (23.3%) 4.08m (21.1%) 22:00 4.86m (26.4%) 2.89m (15.7%) 22:05 3.74m (21.6%) 2.89m (16.7%) 22:10 3.89m (23.1%) 2.82m (16.7%) 22:15 4.04m (24.1%) 2.77m (16.6%) 22:20 3.81m (23.1%) 2.50m (15.2%) 22:25 3.36m (20.8%) 2.84m (17.5%) 22:30 3.68m (23.2%) 2.84m (17.9%) 22:35 3.66m (23.8%) 2.48m (16.2%) 22:40 3.73m (24.4%) 2.44m (16.0%) 22:45 3.72m (24.9%) 2.32m (15.5%) 22:50 3.56m (24.6%) 2.23m (15.4%) 22:55 3.42m (24.4%) 2.22m (15.8%)

”

19:40 10.64m (49.8%)

Nearly hitting 50% - should do soon.

Did the XFactor finish at 10 or 9:45?

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