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Seems to me that ITV needs to change its Saturday night strategy and target the audience that's there. If that's old skewing then put older skewing programming such as their two hour detective dramas at the centre of the schedule.
Move the XF to midweek. Use it to reboot Tuesday's @ 8, with the results show playing Thursday's 8 to 9 and build these slots for light entertainment. |
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Of course the comparisons matter. Cowell always made them when TXF was winning. You can't decide that they aren't relevant now the tables have turned. That isn't how this works.
It has a default audience just by being on the BBC, of course it's going to do well. Quote:
Well, I certainly don't remember them filling time during the *main show* by encouraging viewers to send in pictures of relatives who look like the acts.
Nobody cares if Hannah's mum from Colchester looks like Honey G. |
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It's Match of the Day.
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Shocked by that X Factor figure. I expected a rise with less of a Strictly overlap. I doubt themes drive viewers away. Haven't they done a Motown theme week before?
As Craig says, Strictly is in a different league to TXF and rightly don't see it as competition. X Factor's constant panel changes haven't helped (even though you could argue it feels fresher this time around) and it's become so predictable from the editing down to the judges comments. ITV should shorten it if they aren't prepared to rest it. |
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Dire. Truly dire. Worse than I thought it would be. What an absolute cock up. That TXF rating is piss poor.
Meet The Parents is an absolute bomb. 7 more weeks to go. SCD has got a complete walk over. With that rating I think ITV should pullit. Its bound to drop again next week. |
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Looking at January 2017, what will BBC ONE launch in the New Year? They have Sherlock, and Silent Witness (Mon & Tues). What else?
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Strictly popularity has remained the same it not like they are now snatching x factor viewers they are never going to reach heights x factor did with 15 million viewers etc the problem for x factor is the amount of repeats it has on Tv and having YouTube as a means of catch up you can watch all performances in around 15 minutes. I think x factor would actually perform better on a weeknight like in the US
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I'd probably move The X Factor forward so the episodes start an hour before Strictly finishes and push +1 for all it's worth. Buy the Pixar rights and place them across Strictly (the Toy Story set, Inside Out, The Incredibles, Monsters Inc., Frozen etc.) leading to a 7.30pm start for The X Factor, then have a new drama leading out of it... After Life didn't do too badly on Saturday nights back in the day if I recall correctly. The Strictly clash doesn't seem to affect The X Factor now so make the most of the - albeit declining - lead out to try and get something else going.
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Looking at January 2017, what will BBC ONE launch in the New Year? They have Sherlock, and Silent Witness (Mon & Tues). What else?
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Last week: 6.21m (29.1%) - Total viewers watching TV across slot: 21.34m
This week: 5.76m (28.0%) - Total viewers watching TV across slot: 20.57m Approximately 700k less viewers watched TV last night compared to last week in The X Factor's slot... over half of them stopped watching The X Factor itself. There was a massive drop off at 9pm relatively speaking. It should have kept increasing at that point, or at least keep level. |
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Sometimes a programme is only as popular as it is allowed to be by its competition. BBC1 struggles against Britain's Got Talent, ITV struggles against Strictly. Why? It's because their ratings haven't collapsed, they've got tremendous viewer loyalty.
Younger viewers are more fickle and are finding different things to watch. My grown up kids are more likely to ask me if I watch Narcos, Westworld or Stranger Things rather than something on regular TV. |
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Looking at January 2017, what will BBC ONE launch in the New Year? They have Sherlock, and Silent Witness (Mon & Tues). What else?
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Why should anyone not interested in SCD care about its ratings? Comparisons are so 2010. If XF was winning this thread would be dismissing the comparisons entirely.
It has a default audience just by being on the BBC, of course it's going to do well. Oh lighten up a little, please. Audience interaction is always a good thing. Anyway, I think the real problem is going to come next year. As long as The Voice was on the BBC, X Factor could style itself as a rival singing competition if it suited them. Now with TVUK coming to ITV, they will have to establish a bit more of a distinction, and as TVUK most likely will maintain the 'real singers' credibility, XF will have to go more for the fun entertainment angle, and I have a horrible feeling this will mean more joke acts. The fact that they had two already this season could indicate that that's the way it's going, and I think that will be the final nail in the coffin. |
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They're obviously going for themes like Motown (and the older judges) in an attempt to win back some of the older Strictly viewers who have abandoned the show. But then the acts they've put through are either mostly weak or targeted at a younger audience, because of course Syco wants successful artists - and I think they can still make them.
Louisa's winning single did badly but her follow-up with Clean Bandit did well, and of course we have a former X Factor winner at #1 at the moment. If they go all out to get a good song this year they could clinch the Christmas #1 (though I'm slightly puzzled at why they are pimping Matt Terry so much, he doesn't scream popstar to me) And as for people saying the show is over.. come on, you've been saying that for years. It should be doing a hell of a lot better (and this year actually deserves to), but it's clearly still massively profitable for ITV. It's not going anywhere yet. |
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That gap!
Jesus, what an embarrassment for X Factor. Strictly is killing it this year. |
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Why should anyone not interested in SCD care about its ratings? Comparisons are so 2010. If XF was winning this thread would be dismissing the comparisons entirely.
It has a default audience just by being on the BBC, of course it's going to do well. |
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You are hilarious; I mainly read this thread for your posts. Unless you are actually serious; in that case it's very, very sad...
Anyway, I think the real problem is going to come next year. As long as The Voice was on the BBC, X Factor could style itself as a rival singing competition if it suited them. Now with TVUK coming to ITV, they will have to establish a bit more of a distinction, and as TVUK most likely will maintain the 'real singers' credibility, XF will have to go more for the fun entertainment angle, and I have a horrible feeling this will mean more joke acts. The fact that they had two already this season could indicate that that's the way it's going, and I think that will be the final nail in the coffin. There's already big distinction between the two of them, XF is about commercial singers whereas The Voice is about sending people to sleep. |
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Why should anyone not interested in SCD care about its ratings? Comparisons are so 2010. If XF was winning this thread would be dismissing the comparisons entirely.
It has a default audience just by being on the BBC, of course it's going to do well. But on the flip side, banging on about the gap is pointless because I agree, it's more important that TXF does well in its own right and pulls in the money for ITV, rather than trying to compete in a a battle with the BBC that is now unwinnable. |
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Is that the same as what was happening during Strictly's timeslot this week?
This week: 9.78m (46.3%) - Total viewers watching TV across slot: 21.12m So Strictly's audience went up despite less people watching TV during the time it was on. |
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Inc +1 Tipping Point Lucky Stars - 2.24m (12.6%) Meet the Parents - 2.16m (10.3%) The X Factor - 5.76m (28.0%) *peak - 6.72m (33.1%) at 21:00 Jonathan Ross show - 2.52m (16.2%) Strictly Come Dancing - 9.78m (46.3%) *Peak - 10.76m (49.9%) at 19:55 Quote:
Awful for XFactor and everything around it
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Dire. Truly dire. Worse than I thought it would be. What an absolute cock up. That TXF rating is piss poor.
Meet The Parents is an absolute bomb. 7 more weeks to go. SCD has got a complete walk over. With that rating I think ITV should pullit. Its bound to drop again next week. Quote:
Ouch. Really poor for X Factor. It shouldn't have gone below 6m and even the peak was below 7m. Something has clearly gone awry in the past couple of weeks. 2 weeks ago it peaked at 8.1m and last night was 6.7m. What the hell is it going to get on Halloween/Bonfire Night?
Disaster for the rest of the lineup too (which probably then didn't help XF). Meet The Parents was DOA. Quote:
Strictly - 9.78m (46.3%)
*Peak - 10.76m (49.9%) at 19:55 Quote:
Higher than last week. Great figure.
Wonder how Dan R will spin the XFactor figure. Quote:
Pretty awful for TXF, I would hate to think what the figure is excluding +1
It can be said that the wheels have well and truly fallen off this time Quote:
Disaster for X Factor.
Meet The Parents was actually very good, and didn't deserve that rating. Shouldn't have been wasted in that slot. Quote:
Poor rating for X Factor and I'm not surprised.
The live shows aren't very good at all so far this year, I turned off after half an hour last night. None of the acts are very entertaining. They're all ok, not bad singers but nothing special. Honey G is actually one of the few who's interesting to watch! I think they've ruined this year's series with some utterly baffling decisions at Judges Houses, where majority of the good acts got sent home. Quote:
Clearly those who said they would stop watching if they put through some 'joke' acts over good singers, meant it. It doesn't support the shows cause when the judges pretend a crap act is brilliant.
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A 4 MILLION gap between Strictly and X Factor.
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What on Earth happened to The X Factor??? It's not as though the live shows have been bad either; not compared to last year anyway. Maybe they did build up the likes of Caitlyn and James too much in the auditions but I can't see then putting on a better show with them there. Is this the first year of the new deal or is that next series? Because with the live show declines it's going to look little better than the rest of ITV's input at this rate. Is Simon going to make wholesale changes again next year? What more can he do?
Excellent for Strictly though neither show really took advantage of the smaller clash. I have been saying this for a while and often get shouted down by the few remaining XF supporters. But now the tide of views here are coming over to my view that XF is well under performing now. Viewers are switching off in droves, the DS XF forum here is full of negativity in posts and threads, and they are the fans! The tabloids are out for it. It's decline has been spectacular, in the main IT would have been cancelled if Simon hadn't bundled it together with the strong BGT. The reasons are clear:- Three of four judges are too old, too out of touch, can't sing, and one away with the caries. They put through joke acts not someone with talent. The show has considerable budget and financial support, but this is milked by excessive judges pay, and the basics on reacher cut. The lack of research has caused embarrassment where thry didn't see by the final stages a contestant had beaten up an ex girlfriend. Last year Caroline, And Nick were blamed as scapegoats but the current panel perform worse. Yes Olly was out of his depth last year but shouldn't have all the blame. This is a show where it had an audience of 16 million a few years back, it's a show where viewers are in, they are watching SCD and nit switching over to XF. The XF fans have been posting they will switch off, on the DS forum, and are switching off. Comments two weeks in a row the judges are drunk on the show, from a number of posters, and a feeling all bar ine act was miming. I note Simon isn't commenting on ratings, and clearly not blaming SCD for being the better show, so he knows it's just not going to be accepted and like Trump anything XF try's to spin on this disaster will not be accepted. The show was dead a few years back the life support machine with a bundle to BGT should gave been switched off , SyCo wouldn't take BGT anywhere else, ITV should have said to him, we will have BGT only not XF. |
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Inc +1 The X Factor - 5.76m (28.0%) *peak - 6.72m (33.1%) at 21:00 Strictly Come Dancing - 9.78m (46.3%) *Peak - 10.76m (49.9%) at 19:55 God that's awful for XF. What a disaster of a rating. I think the bizarre decisions at judges houses have sent some viewers away although there's no denying that the live shows are very watchable this year. I really thought with less of an overlap XF would have been around 6.5m. Last year's second live show averaged 6.6m so it's down about 0.8m. Not good. Losing close to 1.0m is not a situation they want to be in right now with 8 more weeks to go. |
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Why should anyone not interested in SCD care about its ratings? Comparisons are so 2010. If XF was winning this thread would be dismissing the comparisons entirely.
It has a default audience just by being on the BBC, of course it's going to do well. Oh lighten up a little, please. Audience interaction is always a good thing. SCD shows how a show engages its audience , has popular appeal, and the whole family can watch together. SCD has a tight budget and produces a brilliant show. XF has too big a budget spent mainly on inflated fees for the judges, and not enough spent on research, nurture, and the judges are out of touch, too old for the teenage market, and its loyal fans have all but given up on it. |
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Yeah, no promotion for Tipping Point didn't help. But it did manage a better figure than YBF which is a step in the right direction. With promotion it might have been over nearer to 3m.
But I agree that I think any NEW light ent. format here is just going to bomb against SCD, because it will just get lost. Viewers stop watching TXf on ITV on Sat/Sun, are hardly going to bether with the filler around it. Perhaps films would be better. Harry Potter seems the best option. The problem is, as viewers fall out of love with TXF, they get into SCD. Thus stregthening the latters resiliance. |
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It's already been announced that Sherlock will start on New Year's Day
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Why should anyone not interested in SCD care about its ratings? Comparisons are so 2010. If XF was winning this thread would be dismissing the comparisons entirely.
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BBC does not have a default audience, recent rstings show that, some shows are rating badly, and some LE offerings on Saturdays on BBC1 have bombed. That is not an acceptable excuse, that some just come home and switch on BBC1.
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