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Old 16-10-2016, 12:07
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BBC does not have a default audience, recent rstings show that, some shows are rating badly, and some LE offerings on Saturdays on BBC1 have bombed. That is not an acceptable excuse, that some just come home and switch on BBC1.

SCD shows how a show engages its audience , has popular appeal, and the whole family can watch together. SCD has a tight budget and produces a brilliant show.

XF has too big a budget spent mainly on inflated fees for the judges, and not enough spent on research, nurture, and the judges are out of touch, too old for the teenage market, and its loyal fans have all but given up on it.
The big budget is irrelevant to us though. Why do you take such an interest when ITV's monetary matters when they are nothing to do with any of us?

The facts of the matter are this:

- ITV are still making money
- The advertisers are still making money
- Simon Cowell is still making money
- X Factor is still producing successful artists

Do you think for ONE SECOND that we'd still be seeing X Factor if it wasn't making money?

Delusional.
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Old 16-10-2016, 12:16
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2008. It got 11.9m, partly because Britney herself appeared (it wasn't long after her meltdown). A Britney week wouldn't get any boost these days, her appearance on Jonathan Ross got dire numbers and didn't she even appear on Loose Women recently?
That was also a period where big US acts appearing on the live shows was a big deal. Those stars aren't a draw now as we see them so often everywhere else. Britney was also huge back then too.
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Old 16-10-2016, 12:18
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Last week: 9.60m (44.8%) - Total viewers watching TV across slot: 21.43m
This week: 9.78m (46.3%) - Total viewers watching TV across slot: 21.12m

So Strictly's audience went up despite less people watching TV during the time it was on.
That's another surprise. I just assumed more people were watching TV last night as we've seen programmes across the week get good numbers.
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Old 16-10-2016, 12:35
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Thanks for the personal remarks, plenty coming today. Where are the moderators?

There's already big distinction between the two of them, XF is about commercial singers whereas The Voice is about sending people to sleep.
Well the Xfactor has been boring me stiff this year too.
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Old 16-10-2016, 12:51
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Someone needs to tell ITV to take the 'Live' graphic off The X Factor repeat.

Reading the thread I wonder if part of The X Factor's problem is it doesn't quite know it's identity - is it for the younger audience or is it for the older? In one breath it's supposed to be advertiser friendly; it axes Louis and Mel B for Nick and Rita and switches up the themes before bringing back Louis and Sharon and having themes like Motown and (seemingly in the future) Disco and Divas. And people are supposed to know whether it's a show for them?

As an aside, the average age of the Strictly panel is 57.5. The X Factor panel? 55.8, Not a massive difference considering one show is supposedly for pensioners whilst the other is for the youth of the day.
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Old 16-10-2016, 12:53
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Well the Xfactor has been boring me stiff this year too.
Well you hate on it every year so that's hardly surprising.
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Old 16-10-2016, 12:58
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Why should anyone not interested in SCD care about its ratings? Comparisons are so 2010. If XF was winning this thread would be dismissing the comparisons entirely.
It has a default audience just by being on the BBC, of course it's going to do well.


Oh lighten up a little, please. Audience interaction is always a good thing.
That kind of audience interaction is fine for The Xtra Factor, not for the main show.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:00
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The apprentice was much better tonight, hope it retains most of its audience
The jeans advertising challenge was one of the bear things The Apprentice has done. Perhaps the word of mouth for this will boost it next week too.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:02
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BBC1 doesn't have a default audience,programmes do. If BBC1 did have a default audience Tumble would have been a hit and have numbers the size of Strictly and Cuff would have matched Bake Off's ratings on Wednesdays. If Strictly wasn't there 9m wouldn't be automatically switching on BBC1.
I'm afraid I cannot competely agree with this. If that's the case why do shows see an uplift in viewers when it moved from BBC Two to BBC One? Why does the BBC continually move Andy Murray matches from Two to One when there's already schedule space for them? Why was EastEnders kept on BBC One during the Olympics rather than moved to BBC Two, which would have stopped the switching between channels at odd moments?

BBC One does have a default audience but it's earned it... especially when you recall before the turn of the century it was ITV which had that default audience (except for events of national importance and Christmas).
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:02
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The jeans advertising challenge was one of the bear things The Apprentice has done. Perhaps the word of mouth for this will boost it next week too.
Oh yes, that's a big possibility.
Also looking forward to seeing week 1's timeshift. Is 1.8m a possibility?
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:04
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The jeans advertising challenge was one of the bear things The Apprentice has done. Perhaps the word of mouth for this will boost it next week too.
It's a bit ironic though - The X Factor (apparently) having mediocre contestants who cannot really stand up to the role is an awful thing and is HUGE mistake. The Apprentice (apparently) having mediocre contestants who cannot really stand up to the role is the best thing ever.

In fairness they are getting similar ratings so...
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:04
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Strictly popularity has remained the same it not like they are now snatching x factor viewers they are never going to reach heights x factor did with 15 million viewers etc the problem for x factor is the amount of repeats it has on Tv and having YouTube as a means of catch up you can watch all performances in around 15 minutes. I think x factor would actually perform better on a weeknight like in the US
Strictly has held its audience better than X Factor. BGT is a similar show to X Factor in terms of audience breakdown, gets lots of repeats and You Tube hits but still managed to hold it's audience over the years. I think part of X Factor's problem is that it has lost the older viewers.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:08
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I'd probably move The X Factor forward so the episodes start an hour before Strictly finishes and push +1 for all it's worth. Buy the Pixar rights and place them across Strictly (the Toy Story set, Inside Out, The Incredibles, Monsters Inc., Frozen etc.) leading to a 7.30pm start for The X Factor, then have a new drama leading out of it... After Life didn't do too badly on Saturday nights back in the day if I recall correctly. The Strictly clash doesn't seem to affect The X Factor now so make the most of the - albeit declining - lead out to try and get something else going.
Bunging films on and putting a show on so it faces more of its competition isn't the wisest move. You want people watching on the night
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:15
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It's a bit ironic though - The X Factor (apparently) having mediocre contestants who cannot really stand up to the role is an awful thing and is HUGE mistake. The Apprentice (apparently) having mediocre contestants who cannot really stand up to the role is the best thing ever.

In fairness they are getting similar ratings so...
How about poor contestants who may make good TV being kept in longer than their talents suggest?

The Apprentice is one of the most manipulated reality shows going, as due to no viewer vote off, and winners often being based on an opinion, and then the reason for picking a loser changing from one week to the next, anyone could be fired at any time.

Apparently a feel good show is better than a nasty show as well!

It's because of this The Apprentice goes against every one of the 'rules' that people say makes a good reality TV show, yet still does well every year.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:18
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I'm afraid I cannot competely agree with this. If that's the case why do shows see an uplift in viewers when it moved from BBC Two to BBC One? Why does the BBC continually move Andy Murray matches from Two to One when there's already schedule space for them? Why was EastEnders kept on BBC One during the Olympics rather than moved to BBC Two, which would have stopped the switching between channels at odd moments?

BBC One does have a default audience but it's earned it... especially when you recall before the turn of the century it was ITV which had that default audience (except for events of national importance and Christmas).
BBC2 and Channel 4 for some reason will get less viewers if they show the same programme as BBC1 or ITV. Also when a programme shifts to BBC1 it can increase because of instead of it fading a more popular programme on BBC1 it faces a less popular programme on BBC2.

But programmes earn a default audience over time. If BBC1 has a default audience then the Reggie Yates documentary on Monday at 9pm on BBC1 would have outrated BBC2. EastEnders has a default audience that followed it to BBC2 in 2012 when The Olympics was on but facing popular Olympic Sports on BBC1 knocked its ratings.

There's a default audience to a point but not to the level some on here say it is
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:22
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It's a bit ironic though - The X Factor (apparently) having mediocre contestants who cannot really stand up to the role is an awful thing and is HUGE mistake. The Apprentice (apparently) having mediocre contestants who cannot really stand up to the role is the best thing ever.

In fairness they are getting similar ratings so...
I said something similar on Friday morning.
We can be very hypocritical here. Criticising The X Factor for manipulating situations and then we love The Apprentice and it does the same. Just an observation.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:29
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Not to be glib, but the X Factor no longer has the "X Factor".

One no longer needs to know the names of the current finalists in order to make pleasant chitchat with acquaintances. The show has lost its cultural relevance.

It's the same sad journey that American Idol took.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:29
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I think the show's goose is cooked now. They could try and bring back Cheryl and Dannii for Sharon and Nicole to recreate the 'peak' panel but they wouldn't be as nearly as entertaining; especially as Louis doesn't particularly get on with either of the two women.

They'll probably do a Voice and radically cut the live shows in future runs before saying goodbye to it in three years time. That or, if Britain's Got Talent is still doing well and Simon is tying the two up in the contract, switching it away from Strictly.
I don't think bringing Cheryl back again is the answer. They've already played that card to no benefit.

I liked her but Dannii was wallpaper. It's very hard to recreate the magic of a specific era even with the same ingredients. XF's problem is that more people see through it now and have moved on.

But they're cheaper to make, they're made in house and their decline has been more gradual and in line with the majority of shows around them ( rather than a 4m gap) - The X Factor has lost 2.5m viewers in a matter of weeks.
Yes. The soaps aren't comparable really, and it's worth adding that they're getting those ratings 4, 5 and 6 times a week. They're doing okay relative to the TV landscape overall. XF's decline is easily the more troubling.

This is what I was thinking, how many people under the age of 21 would really have an inkling what Motown was and also watch XF- I can't see there being much crossover: I think they should calm down on the theme's like Strictly do, have Halloween, movie soundtrack week, and one other one where they can make the staging feel like an event and leave it at that- Nobody in that show last night will be doing Motown in the real.world so why do it on XF?

I TV must be panicking now over the Voice aquisition because it could actually accelerate fatigue and damage both show, especially with the kids spin off to come as well
I think we've already seen a negative effect from The Voice coming along and putting a strain on the talent pool. I agree having it on the same channel isn't the wisest of moves though. And a spin-off too. Overkill.

Strictly popularity has remained the same it not like they are now snatching x factor viewers they are never going to reach heights x factor did with 15 million viewers etc the problem for x factor is the amount of repeats it has on Tv and having YouTube as a means of catch up you can watch all performances in around 15 minutes. I think x factor would actually perform better on a weeknight like in the US
I think it's better to be a big hit at a lower level and hang on to your audience over a longer period of time than it is to reach colossal heights and then suffer a massive drop to barely respectable ratings.

Why should anyone not interested in SCD care about its ratings? Comparisons are so 2010. If XF was winning this thread would be dismissing the comparisons entirely.
It has a default audience just by being on the BBC, of course it's going to do well.


Oh lighten up a little, please. Audience interaction is always a good thing.
You'd still be making them if the shoe was on the other foot.

That gap!
Jesus, what an embarrassment for X Factor.

Strictly is killing it this year.
I know! I did a double take when I saw the gap had hit 4m!

Well you hate on it every year so that's hardly surprising.
Practice what you preach. You're quick to tell other people not to get personal with you yet you speak to posters in this way (and the way you responded to Dancc the other day).
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:40
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I know! I did a double take when I saw the gap had hit 4m!
The gap was 4m for most of last year during the live shows so I don't know why there's all this faux shock about it.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:43
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Dire. Truly dire. Worse than I thought it would be. What an absolute cock up. That TXF rating is piss poor.

Meet The Parents is an absolute bomb. 7 more weeks to go. SCD has got a complete walk over.

With that rating I think ITV should pullit. Its bound to drop again next week.
That is shocking, but not surprising.

Regarding XF, I like this years panel, but the whole show is just so meh now, and yet again a really weak schedule either side.

Meet The Parents was destined to bomb. Enough said.

I think it's time to reboot Blind Date with Willaboozy.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:44
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BBC2 and Channel 4 for some reason will get less viewers if they show the same programme as BBC1 or ITV. Also when a programme shifts to BBC1 it can increase because of instead of it fading a more popular programme on BBC1 it faces a less popular programme on BBC2.

But programmes earn a default audience over time. If BBC1 has a default audience then the Reggie Yates documentary on Monday at 9pm on BBC1 would have outrated BBC2. EastEnders has a default audience that followed it to BBC2 in 2012 when The Olympics was on but facing popular Olympic Sports on BBC1 knocked its ratings.

There's a default audience to a point but not to the level some on here say it is
I think, with the Reggie Yates programme, it also depends on whether the tone of the show suits the channel and the time slot (and that's the same with every show). Reggie Yates does not scream BBC One 9pm - and I agree the default audience isn't an excessive as some claim but there is one.

I said something similar on Friday morning.
Missed that. Maybe The Apprentice has hit the bottom and come out the other side - people just embrace the madness. I wonder whether The X Factor will reach that point before it's too late?
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:45
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Whatever ITV showed against BBC big hitters, either new, existing, or filler, would be criticised one way or another.

You are either wasting a solid show, killing off a new show before it even starts, or deliberately handing the audience to the BBC by not trying.

All variants have been discussed here over the years and it always results in calls that they should do one of the other options until they do, when it should then be the third option, and then back to the 1st option!
It depends on what you're trying to achieve. I believe you want to get as many viewers as possible over a week or month. You do that by creating well rated shows. Any new show that has potential should be nurtured so MTP and TNGM should avoid strong competition. This applies to new dramas as well (if possible). ITV didnt help MTP or GFI or their new dramas.

Pick your battles. TP the Chase would get the same ratings and aren't under threat. They're the right shows. You aim to grow MTP or some equivalent in to a show that one day can take on SCD.

If ITV really want to take on SCD they may be better trying drama instead. I would not though. They aren't running adverts when SCD is on anyway so celebrity quizzes make sense.
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:46
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As an aside, the average age of the Strictly panel is 57.5. The X Factor panel? 55.8, Not a massive difference considering one show is supposedly for pensioners whilst the other is for the youth of the day.
...and of the BBC's most popular shows with younger viewers, The Apprentice, is hosted by someone turning 70 next year.

The presenters' age doesn't seem to match the skew of a show. I expect most of Amazon's new subscribers for The Grand Tour will be younger than Jeremy Clarkson (56).
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:48
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Someone needs to tell ITV to take the 'Live' graphic off The X Factor repeat.

Reading the thread I wonder if part of The X Factor's problem is it doesn't quite know it's identity - is it for the younger audience or is it for the older? In one breath it's supposed to be advertiser friendly; it axes Louis and Mel B for Nick and Rita and switches up the themes before bringing back Louis and Sharon and having themes like Motown and (seemingly in the future) Disco and Divas. And people are supposed to know whether it's a show for them?

As an aside, the average age of the Strictly panel is 57.5. The X Factor panel? 55.8, Not a massive difference considering one show is supposedly for pensioners whilst the other is for the youth of the day.
X Factor has produced a lot of chart success over the years but its always been middle of the road pop hasn't it? (I stand to be corrected). They give them all known songs to have a go at, the winner gets an old song as a starter, and they go on to produce more largely bland music if they are lucky. Is it just that the audience of whatever age is just getting tired of that merry go round?
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Old 16-10-2016, 13:51
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Ouch. Really poor for X Factor. It shouldn't have gone below 6m and even the peak was below 7m. Something has clearly gone awry in the past couple of weeks. 2 weeks ago it peaked at 8.1m and last night was 6.7m. What the hell is it going to get on Halloween/Bonfire Night?

Disaster for the rest of the lineup too (which probably then didn't help XF). Meet The Parents was DOA.
X Factor was following Go For It a few weeks back, which managed similar ratings to Meet The Parents & Tipping Point, but was higher. Were viewers that annoyed by the choices going through to live shows that they didn't watch?
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