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Britain's Ancient Tracks with Tony Robinson: 0.94m (4.4%) excluding +1
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Most Watched Programmes of 1998
World Cup: Argentina v England (Jun 30) (ITV): 23.78m World Cup: Romania v England (Jun 22) (ITV): 19.48m World Cup: Colombia v England (Jun 26) (BBC1): 19.13m Coronation Street (Nov 16) (ITV): 18.62m World Cup: Colombia v England (Post match) (Jun 26, 9.50pm) (BBC1): 17.05m EastEnders (Dec 29) (BBC1): 16.91m Heartbeat (Feb 22) (ITV): 16.45m Stars in Their Eyes Celebrity Special (Dec 2) (ITV): 16.34m World Cup: Argentina v England (Post match) (Jun 30, 10.45pm) (ITV): 16.22m World Cup Final: Brazil v France (Post match) (Jul 12, 9.50pm) (BBC1): 15.75m Casualty (Feb 28) (BBC1): 15.74m World Cup Final: Brazil v France (Jul 12) (BBC1): 15.65m Men Behaving Badly (Dec 28) (BBC1): 15.19m Film: Forrest Gump (Premiere) (Jan 1) (BBC1): 15.08m You've Been Framed! (Dec 13) (ITV): 14.10m World Cup: Brazil v Netherlands (Jul 7) (ITV): 14.09m Goodnight Mister Tom (Oct 25) (ITV): 13.81m World Cup: France v Croatia (Jul 8) (BBC1): 13.68m Birds of a Feather (Jan 19) (BBC1): 13.30m Emmerdale (Feb 10) (ITV): 13.28m National Lottery Draw (Feb 28) (BBC1): 13.20m The Cruise (Jan 13) (BBC1): 12.86m World Cup: France v Croatia (Post match) (Jul 8, 9.55pm) (BBC1): 12.85m London's Burning (Jan 11) (ITV): 12.82m Diana: the Secrets Behind the Crash (Jun 3) (ITV): 12.79m News (Dec 25) (BBC1): 12.75m World Cup: Scotland v Morocco (Jun 23) (BBC1): 12.67m Airline (Mar 20) (ITV): 12.56m Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? (Sept 13) (ITV): 12.47m Inspector Morse (Nov 11) (ITV): 12.39m The Bill (Jan 30) (ITV): 12.34m Only Fools and Horses (R) (Jan 2) (BBC1): 12.34m They Think It's All Over (Dec 25) (BBC1): 12.31m Dinnerladies (Nov 12) (BBC1): 12.24m Holidays from Hell (Nov 2) (ITV): 12.18m World Cup: Argentina v England (Pre match) (Jun 30, 7.30pm) (ITV): 12.13m Police, Camera, Action! (Jan 20) (ITV): 12.11m World Cup: Brazil v Scotland (Jun 10, 4.30pm) (BBC1): 12.09m World Cup: Romania v England (Pre match) (Jun 22, 7.30pm) (ITV): 12.05m Before They Were Famous III (Dec 25) (BBC1): 11.93m Coming Home: Part Two (Apr 13) (ITV): 11.87m Where the Heart Is (Jun 7) (ITV): 11.83m World Cup: Germany v Croatia (Post match) (Jul 4, 9.50pm) (BBC1): 11.81m Airport (Nov 28) (BBC1): 11.79m Harry Enfield's Yule Log Chums (Dec 28) (BBC1): 11.79m Coming Home: Part One (Apr 12) (ITV) 11.73m World Cup: Scotland v Morocco (Post match) (Jun 23, 9.45pm) (BBC1): 11.69m The Vicar of Dibley (Jan 22) (BBC1): 11.61m March in Windy City (Mar 25) (ITV): 11.58m Film: Mrs Brown (Premiere) (Dec 27) (BBC1): 11.53m Men for Sale (Dec 2) (ITV): 11.52m Nannies from Hell (Jan 14) (ITV): 11.50m Grafters (Oct 27) (ITV): 11.49m World Cup: Netherlands v Yugoslavia (Post match) (Jun 29, 9.50pm) (BBC1): 11.47m World Cup: England v Tunisia (Jun 15, 1.30pm) (BBC1): 11.43m Taggart (Mar 1) (ITV): 11.41m Grand National (Apr 4) (BBC1): 11.39m Midsomer Murders (Mar 22) (ITV): 11.36m Antiques Roadshow (Dec 6) (BBC1): 11.35m The Royal Variety Performance (Dec 20) (BBC1): 11.24m The Kids from Alright on the Night (R) (May 4) (ITV): 11.18m Changing Rooms Stripped Bare (Dec 5) (BBC1): 11.17m Real Women (Feb 26) (BBC1): 11.07m Ground Force (Oct 1) (BBC1): 11.05m Changing Rooms (Mar 10) (BBC1): 11.00m continued...
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Thanks Ray. Screenshot done. I've not touched a computer since February so may need to relearn how to do a graph!
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Because TXF is actually a serious, significant musical event?
The trouble is, it never has been, and Cowell's obsession with credibility has killed what the show once was. It needs the novelty acts. However, as the ratings for last year's TXF and this year's TVUK indicate, there is audience fatigue with the format. And yet ITV signed a three-year deal for more, and took the rights to TVUK. I wonder what they're thinking about that now … Quote:
Ooh hang on, let's have a long, hard think about why Cowell hasn't been removed from XF or BGT...
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Losing Cowell badly hurt the show. It's decline was immediate.
Cowell left at the end of the 2010 series (it's biggest series ever) and then in 2011, The Next Generation of judges took over and those audition shows rated better than any other set of auditions (even the 2010 ones). So the initial start was overwhelming positive. The 2011 auditions consolidated to 12.51m whilst the 2010 to 12.28m. It wasn't until Bootcamp when the numbers started to decrease that year - which at the time never really made much sense after such a strong start. The numbers were still huge but were anything from 1.0-2.0m lower than the 2010 series. That's where the rot set in. Although looking back, 2011 was still a huge series but at the time everyone was disappointed with the numbers. If we knew that 5-years on things would be this bad, we'd have all probably praised the 2011 series. |
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The X Factor Consolidated Ratings for the Auditions since 2008:
2016: 8.90m 2015: 8.79m 2014: 9.90m 2013: 10.54m 2012: 9.89m 2011: 12.51m 2010: 12.28m 2009: 11.32m 2008: 9.87m Including +1 from 2011 onwards For all the talk of TXF auditions this year been up on 2015, they were only 0.11m ahead. That is a very small increase. 2012-2014 were more stable with a spike in 2013. Then if you look from 2008-2011 they increased every year. |
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It wasn't until Bootcamp when the numbers started to decrease that year - which at the time never really made much sense after such a strong start. The numbers were still huge but were anything from 1.0-2.0m lower than the 2010 series. That's where the rot set in. Although looking back, 2011 was still a huge series but at the time everyone was disappointed with the numbers. If we knew that 5-years on things would be this bad, we'd have all probably praised the 2011 series. Quote:
Maybe not, but 54 million of them were making some kind of comment weren't they?
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The X Factor Consolidated Ratings for the Auditions since 2008:
2016: 8.90m 2015: 8.79m 2014: 9.90m 2013: 10.54m 2012: 9.89m 2011: 12.51m 2010: 12.28m 2009: 11.32m 2008: 9.87m Including +1 from 2011 onwards For all the talk of TXF auditions this year been up on 2015, they were only 0.11m ahead. That is a very small increase. 2012-2014 were more stable with a spike in 2013. Then if you look from 2008-2011 they increased every year. |
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A show that overnights 9 million is a juggernaut. XF was still a juggernaut in 2014 and people got too bogged down in moaning and exaggerating YOY comparisons to realise it.
Well you could say that about any show. 47 million don't watch Bake Off, that doesn't mean they all hate Paul Hollywood. It's absurd. |
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A show that overnights 9 million is a juggernaut. XF was still a juggernaut in 2014 and people got too bogged down in moaning and exaggerating YOY comparisons to realise it.
![]() XF did okay in 2014 but it only hit 9m on three occasions that year: The Launch (9.5m), Bootcamp 3 (9.0m) and the Final Results (9.4m). |
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The X Factor Consolidated Ratings for the Auditions since 2008:
2016: 8.90m 2015: 8.79m 2014: 9.90m 2013: 10.54m 2012: 9.89m 2011: 12.51m 2010: 12.28m 2009: 11.32m 2008: 9.87m Including +1 from 2011 onwards For all the talk of TXF auditions this year been up on 2015, they were only 0.11m ahead. That is a very small increase. 2012-2014 were more stable with a spike in 2013. Then if you look from 2008-2011 they increased every year. Also to complete your list: 2007: 8.70m 2006: 8.09m 2005: 8.18m 2004: 6.56m |
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I didn't even mention 2014 in my previous post.
![]() XF did okay in 2014 but it only hit 9m on three occasions that year: The Launch (9.5m), Bootcamp 3 (9.0m) and the Final Results (9.4m).
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Your posts seem very negative... any YOY increase is a good thing.
Just for reference: I've watched XF since Day 1 and I wish it was doing better than it is. But it's not. Whatever they do, they can't seem to reverse the declines. |
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Meet the Parents - 2.16m (10.3%)
The X Factor - 5.76m (28.0%) *peak - 6.72m (33.1%) at 21:00 Jonathan Ross show - 2.52m (16.2%) Strictly Come Dancing - 9.78m (46.3%) *Peak - 10.76m (49.9%) at 19:55 Challenging night for ITV but I suppose one positive would be Jonathan Ross which seems to be holding up remarkably well despite the ever diminishing lead-ins and the state of ITV's autumn Saturdays generally. On the same night two years ago for instance TXF posted 7.7m followed by 2.6m for Ross, albeit in a slightly later slot. So a negligible decline of 100k, very respectable when you consider the former was -2m down and Meet The Parents -1.1m down on The Chase in the equivalent slot. But yeah, times are changing and ITV have to think long and hard about how to proceed on Saturdays in the autumn going forwards - for Strictly to be absolutely careering away to the tune of 4 million viewers shouldn't be considered acceptable. Not to take anything away from Strictly in any way shape or form but light entertainment is essentially ITV's specialty, and we know the viewers are still there for the taking. They absolutely must find a credible rival sooner rather than later. Even if it means moving BGT to the back end of the year. |
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I think this year's numbers are looked at more favourably because of just how unlikely it seemed that the numbers would go up or even match last year - it outperformed expectations. Of course now they've gone below last year again (although there wasn't a Saturday show this week last year so we've got nothing to directly compare it to). I imagine the overall series average this year won't be too far off last year, but it'll be front loaded with stronger auditions and weaker lives.
Also to complete your list: 2007: 8.70m 2006: 8.09m 2005: 8.18m 2004: 6.56m ![]() I don't suppose you have all the overnights from 2004-2007. Those are the years I'm missing.
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A show that overnights 9 million is a juggernaut. XF was still a juggernaut in 2014 and people got too bogged down in moaning and exaggerating YOY comparisons to realise it.
Well you could say that about any show. 47 million don't watch Bake Off, that doesn't mean they all hate Paul Hollywood. It's absurd. |
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Well, that's not Strictly true.
Cowell left at the end of the 2010 series (it's biggest series ever) and then in 2011, The Next Generation of judges took over and those audition shows rated better than any other set of auditions (even the 2010 ones). So the initial start was overwhelming positive. The 2011 auditions consolidated to 12.51m whilst the 2010 to 12.28m. It wasn't until Bootcamp when the numbers started to decrease that year - which at the time never really made much sense after such a strong start. The numbers were still huge but were anything from 1.0-2.0m lower than the 2010 series. That's where the rot set in. Although looking back, 2011 was still a huge series but at the time everyone was disappointed with the numbers. If we knew that 5-years on things would be this bad, we'd have all probably praised the 2011 series. 2013 felt like a bit of a comeback with a stronger panel and steady ratings, albeit pretty weak talent. They decided to rip it all up though in 2014 and whilst it wasn't a bad series and the ratings were okay, it wasn't an amazing year. They then went and really pulled the train off the tracks last year and look where it got them. This year's series has been much better and ratings-wise the early weeks looked pretty good, but it has fallen off again in the past couple of weeks, partly thanks to poor decisions at judges houses and partly just format fatigue. I think a lot of the problems have stemmed from the producers acting at the wrong time. They really should have made changes going into the 2012 run but didn't (that series is the one with the largest year on year fall they've ever had) and then decided to tear up the panel in 2014 and the whole show in 2015 even though it wasn't really necessary. I think that's why the numbers are where they are now. |
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It appears the XFactor could have benefited from the financial crisis of 2008, when money became more scarce and people went out less often.
Ratings rose and when things got better they started falling again. |
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But yeah, times are changing and ITV have to think long and hard about how to proceed on Saturdays in the autumn going forwards - for Strictly to be absolutely careering away to the tune of 4 million viewers shouldn't be considered acceptable. Not to take anything away from Strictly in any way shape or form but light entertainment is essentially ITV's speciality, and we know the viewers are still there for the taking. They absolutely must find a credible rival sooner rather than later. Even if it means moving BGT to the back end of the year.
Looking at how XF held up okay in the extended clash last week (a better number than last night) it might be worth playing it at 7pm next year (maybe from bootcamp onwards) which would free up space from 9-10pm (and from 8.30pm later on when the shows get shorter) to try something new. XF would be thrashed head to head by Strictly but would do a lot better than anything else they've put against Strictly would and you'd then have space for something new later. Come November they could have a new show running 8.30-9.30pm sandwiched between XF (5m?) and I'm a Celebrity (7/8m) - not a bad spot to launch a new show in. Would they risk it? Not sure. I wonder if we might see XF cut back to one night in a couple of years if the numbers continue to fall? Whilst Victoria is no Downton we know it's a steady show for them at 9pm and if (and it's a big if) the Sunday soap hour does return they might choose to use that 8pm hour for family drama (like The Durrells) in a few years time, with XF constrained to one night. |
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It appears the XFactor could have benefited from the financial crisis of 2008, when money became more scarce and people went out less often.
Ratings rose and when things got better they started falling again. |
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I'm guessing 10m for SCD and 7m for X Factor.
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I'm guessing 10m for SCD and 7m for X Factor.
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Well, that's not Strictly true.
Cowell left at the end of the 2010 series (it's biggest series ever) and then in 2011, The Next Generation of judges took over and those audition shows rated better than any other set of auditions (even the 2010 ones). So the initial start was overwhelming positive. The 2011 auditions consolidated to 12.51m whilst the 2010 to 12.28m. It wasn't until Bootcamp when the numbers started to decrease that year - which at the time never really made much sense after such a strong start. The numbers were still huge but were anything from 1.0-2.0m lower than the 2010 series. That's where the rot set in. Although looking back, 2011 was still a huge series but at the time everyone was disappointed with the numbers. If we knew that 5-years on things would be this bad, we'd have all probably praised the 2011 series. Thanks for the list of consolidated ratings. It'll be interesting to compare as the series progresses. 2009 to 1 1 were clearly freak years. 10m is closer to XF's long-term average. Incidentally, how did SCD replace Will Young in time terms? |
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Thanks for completing the list Score.
![]() I don't suppose you have all the overnights from 2004-2007. Those are the years I'm missing. ![]() Missing a few shares, and against some of the official figures, some overnights are suspect but its all I've managed to find (found them last year). 2004-6 come from Broadcast and archived threads on DS and 2007 comes from the ratings thread archive. My arms ache from typing fast!2004
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Who's performing on X Factor? Anyone decent this evening?
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