The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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Servalan

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by Score:
“Yes, I definitely wouldn't put The Durrells against CTM. Endeavour and Vera held up quite well against it last year, but The Halcyon seems likely to get a Sunday slot so that might scupper those plans. I'd be tempted to run Vera against Sherlock in the first few weeks of the year as even though they're both detectives, I suspect the audiences are quite different and Vera has been resilient before.

Then probably The Halcyon launching in late January. Possibly with a lead in from The Voice (and a cross channel one from CTM). Not sure what BBC1 have planned for that slot but with the hype that I'm sure The Halcyon will get it'd stand every chance at doing well.

I'd then pair up The Durrells with The Good Karma Hospital in the Spring. Endeavour would be squeezed in somewhere too.

I know they'll have Broadchurch in January and according to Twitter Loch Ness is airing then too. There's tough BBC1 competition in January though so they'll have to schedule carefully. I assume Midsomer and Benidorm will take two January slots as usual too. I'd expect to see Tennison early in the year as well, although it's looking quite busy.”

BIB - given that's from Tim 'Beowulf' Haines, are we expecting Saturday early evening for Loch Ness?

Zac Quinn

17-10-2016

Anything for MOTD2? Abysmal Championship-esque line-up of matches yesterday and they were as dull as they sounded like they would be, too.

Ray Tings

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by Servalan:
“BIB - given that's from Tim 'Beowulf' Haines, are we expecting Saturday early evening for Loch Ness?”

From the description, I'd say no.

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...ller-loch-ness

H of De Vil

17-10-2016

I think for a drama title Loch Ness is a pretty eye catching one. I suspect it should get a good sample audience.

A drama set in Scotland is nice to see.

JBO

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Anything for MOTD2? Abysmal Championship-esque line-up of matches yesterday and they were as dull as they sounded like they would be, too.”

It wasn't on last night, it's on tonight

Ray Tings

17-10-2016

Including +1:

Divergent (C5): 810k (3.7%)
Harry Hill's Tea Time (Sky 1): 391k (2.3%) (Double the channel's slot average)

derek500

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Great demos for The Crystal Maze: https://twitter.com/C4Press/status/787939383534096384”

Only a smidge behind Saturday's SCD's 18-34 figures, with less than a third of total viewers.

We really need to see more of these figures to see the real ratings battleground, rather than the pathetic Countryfile beat XFactor nonsense!

sunbeam007

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by Cjwontv:
“So more people watch the results show of a singing competition than watched the actual singing?
It seems it's all depending on the competition. Anything decent on other channels and viewing figures go down.
I'm getting old. I remember when XF was first choice.”

Not really, I suspect 7m have watched XF by now. It's probably going to consolidate to 7.5m and the repeats will have added 500k.

It took me about 50 mins to watch last week's Saturday show and 30 mins on the Sunday one. Many won't watch it live.

cylon6

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by derek500:
“Only a smidge behind Saturday's SCD's 18-34 figures, with less than a third of total viewers.

We really need to see more of these figures to see the real ratings battleground, rather than the pathetic Countryfile beat XFactor nonsense!”

True but X Factor never had to brag about younger viewers or catch up when it was getting 12/13m. All the fuss about young skewing/old skewing. Sometimes s programme's ratings can be so big that it gets a fair amount across several demos.

derek500

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Harry Hill's Tea Time (Sky 1): 391k (2.3%) (Double the channel's slot average)”

True Harry Hill fans will love it. Those who watched TV Burp for clips and didn't like the silliness will hate it.

I expect Yonderland (now in its third series) did well, straight after?

Ray Tings

17-10-2016

From ITV Media:

Friday Top 10 (inc. +1)

1 ITV - 07:30 PM Coronation Street 6.283m 33%
2 ITV - 07:00 PM Emmerdale 6.079m 33%
3 BBC One - 08:00 PM EastEnders 5.949m 30%
4 ITV - 08:30 PM Coronation Street 5.836m 28% Probably around 6.1m tape checked
5 BBC One - 06:30 PM Regional News and Weather 4.784m 28%
6 BBC One - 09:00 PM Have I Got News for You 4.683m 23%
7 BBC One - 06:00 PM BBC News at Six 4.525m 28%
8 BBC One - 10:00 PM BBC News at Ten 3.724m 23%
9 BBC One - 08:30 PM Would I Lie to You? 3.419m 16%
10 BBC One - 07:00 PM The One Show 3.412m 19%

Friday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not including the five main channels)

1 E4 - 07:00 PM Hollyoaks 673k 3.7%
2 BBC Four - 10:00 PM Big Hits: TOTP 1964 to 1975: 663k 4.9%
3 Film4 - 09:00 PM Commando 636k 3.5%
4 E4 - 06:30 PM The Big Bang Theory 461k 2.7%
5 BBC Four - 09:00 PM The Story of Skinhead with Don Letts 452k 2.3%
6 CBeebies - 05:35 PM Jamillah & Aladdin 436k 3.2%
7 ITV2 - 07:00 PM Ultimate You've Been Framed! 424k 2.3%
8 ITV3 - 09:00 PM Long Lost Family 404k 2.0%
9 CBeebies - 05:00 PM Octonauts Special 403k 3.4%
10 BBC Four - 11:30 PM Sounds of the 70s 2: 369k 5.1%

Ray Tings

17-10-2016

From ITV Media:

Saturday Top 10 (inc. +1)

1 BBC One - 06:30 PM Strictly Come Dancing 9.781m 46%
2 ITV - 08:00 PM The X Factor 5.764m 28%
3 BBC One - 05:40 PM Pointless Celebrities 4.498m 29%
4 BBC One - 09:15 PM Casualty 4.214m 21%
5 BBC One - 10:05 PM BBC News 3.869m 23%
6 BBC One - 08:25 PM The National Lottery 3.626m 18%
7 BBC One - 10:25 PM Match of the Day 3.147m 25%
8 ITV - 10:00 PM The Jonathan Ross Show 2.549m 16%
9 ITV - 06:00 PM Tipping Point Lucky Stars 2.229m 12%
10 ITV - 07:00 PM Meet the Parents 2.201m 10%

It's likely that BBC News at 5.20pm should be in the top 10.

Saturday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not including the five main channels)

1 ITV3 - 09:00 PM Lewis 588k 3.3%
2 Sky Sports 1 - 11:30 AM Live: Football Special 561k 7.3%
3 ITV3 - 08:00 PM Doc Martin 527k 2.5%
4 Film4 - 09:00 PM Red 485k 2.8%
5 ITV2 - 07:50 PM The Mask 458k 2.2%
6 ITV3 - 06:00 PM Midsomer Murders 454k 2.3%
7 BBC Four - 09:00 PM Department Q 432k 2.3%
8 BT Sport 1 - 05:00 PM Live Crystal Palace v West Ham 428k 2.5%
9 BBC Four - 08:00 PM The Incredible Human Journey 423k 2.0%
10 Film4 - 06:25 PM Battleship 405k 1.9%

derek500

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
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It took me about 50 mins to watch last week's Saturday show and 30 mins on the Sunday one. Many won't watch it live.”

My wife watches both SCD and XFactor, but neither live and she 30x through loads.

She started the results shows at 8.30pm last night and we watched ad free Gogglebox after and were done and dusted by ten.

We'd be counted as fractions of viewers if we were BARBistas.

sunbeam007

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Unfortunately, the state of music industry is linked to TXF and Pop Idol - and also to the same forces that dominate both: short-term thinking.

As in television (and life in general), the music industry has been increasingly dominated by accountants, looking at the bottom line and insisting that is the only thing that matters. And, of course, the books need to balance in any business, but in creative industries especially, there needs to be an element of artistic freedom and risk-taking. Hence the rise of David Bowie, Stevie Wonder, Kate Bush and Prince (for instance) in the 70s - the modern equivalents of which either aren't given industry backup, or don't exist at all. Or record companies persisting with the likes of Simple Minds or U2, who didn't have immediate success (far from it).

Simons Fuller and Cowell changed that in the 90s with Pop Idol - instant profits for both the music and television industries. Ker-ching! Record companies became so enamoured with Fuller, then Cowell, that they diverted resources their way - and away from artists whose careers might require long term investment. Instead, the focus was on acts who were compliant, had no opinions and would not be in any way difficult or challenging. And it didn't matter if the public tired of them, because there was no shortage of others.

And the result is a singles chart bland beyond belief, with the focus on manufactured acts, EDM and grime-lite. So the TV shows that inspired a musical desert are left stranded in that desert. No wonder they're in decline and the comedy act on TXF is the one getting all the attention.”

The rise of boyband happened around 10 years before Pop Idol hit the charts. You can also look at Stock Aitken and Waterman in the mid-80s for the same genre.

The XF has given the UK 41 number 1s including the current one. It's also created the first UK pop act to smash USA since the Spice Girls (also a 90s act).

The charts's problem now is that it is dominated by streaming and so it's hard for unknown artists to crack them. The acts are dominated by the American urban genre where you have ActA featuring ActB.

The music industry wants names because they'll get the streams. The industry won't take the long-term investment decisions because records don't sell much in the digital era.

The rise of the internet is what changed the music industry, not the XF or American Idol.

Ray Tings

17-10-2016

From ITV Media:

Sunday Top 10 (inc. +1)

1 BBC One - 07:15 PM Strictly Come Dancing: The Results 9.192m 42% Should be 9.29m
2 BBC One - 06:15 PM Countryfile 6.790m 37%
3 ITV - 08:00 PM The X Factor Results 6.665m 29%
4 BBC One - 08:00 PM Antiques Roadshow 5.899m 25%
5 BBC One - 09:00 PM Poldark 4.960m 22%
6 BBC One - 10:00 PM BBC News 4.745m 27%
7 ITV - 09:00 PM Tutankhamun 4.423m 20%
8 BBC One - 05:50 PM BBC News 4.414m 28%
9 ITV - 07:00 PM The Chase Celebrity Special 3.160m 15%
10 C4 - 09:00 PM The Crystal Maze: SU2C 3.019m 14%

Sunday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not including the five main channels)

1 Sky Sports 1 - 03:30 PM Live: Nissan Super Sunday 758k 5.8%
2 BBC News - 08:00 AM Breakfast 559k 10.8%
3 ITV2 - 10:30 PM Family Guy 543k 4.3%
4 ITV2 - 10:55 PM Family Guy 520k 5.5%
5 ITV2 - 09:00 PM The Xtra Factor Live 492k 2.2%
6 Sky Sports 1 - 12:30 PM Live: Nissan Super Sunday 490k 5.4%
7 ITV3 - 05:15 PM Carry On Don't Lose Your Head 465k 3.3%
8 ITV2 - 11:25 PM Family Guy 448k 6.7%
9 CBeebies - 08:45 AM Do You Know? 435k 7.2%
10 E4 - 06:00 PM Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs 431k 2.2%

ftv

17-10-2016

ITV has commissioned a second series of Cold Feet - Guardian Media

sunbeam007

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“From the description, I'd say no.

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...ller-loch-ness”

The first paragraph screamed Fortitude. Then it went very Broadchurch.

It's the standard murder investigation over a series where the cop will probably have secrets and will clash with the local, normal- family officer.

It should do very well. The slow-moving murder investigation really does dominate UK drama now.

cylon6

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by ftv:
“ITV has commissioned a second series of Cold Feet - Guardian Media”

Yes we've covered that that this morning.

Nakatomi

17-10-2016

As I predicted, the audience simply didn't switch to Poldark after so many weeks. I suspect some watched the Crystal Maze, and I expect Tutankhamun will keep steady, if not rise, next week.

H of De Vil

17-10-2016

The Carry On films are doing well for ITV3 in the afternoon.

sunbeam007

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by derek500:
“My wife watches both SCD and XFactor, but neither live and she 30x through loads.

She started the results shows at 8.30pm last night and we watched ad free Gogglebox after and were done and dusted by ten.

We'd be counted as fractions of viewers if we were BARBistas.”

Yeah you can start watch SCD at 8:30 and finish watching XF by 10pm on a Saturday evening. I only skip the first five minutes of the Apprentice though as the rest is normally packed.

Incidentally, I have watched soccer matches on x6 and it works really well. Press play when appropriate. Good job I don't run a pub really.

H of De Vil

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“ITV will probably put Halcyon up against Silent Witness or Sherlock just so they can fire a clean shot in to Halcyon's knee before the race.”

The Halcyon is a big drama, much like Victoria. I think ITV's best option is to show a film premiere on NYD, then start Vera the following weekend. Vera did so well against CTM, that I suspect it could hld a strong 5m+ opposite Sherlock.

The Halycon needs to follow something solid at 8pm on the Sunday

DanManF1

17-10-2016

Any predictions for the football tonight? I can't remember the last time there was so much hype around a Premier League game.

Cold Feet will most likely take a real hit tonight, although it should consolidate really well as usual.

derek500

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“
Incidentally, I have watched soccer matches on x6 and it works really well. Press play when appropriate. Good job I don't run a pub really.”

I do that with golf sometimes, if I've been out and am a couple of hours behind.

Good thing about Sky Q is you can have a clear screen without the Sky+ blue circle!!

derek500

17-10-2016

Originally Posted by DanManF1:
“Any predictions for the football tonight? I can't remember the last time there was so much hype around a Premier League game.

Cold Feet will most likely take a real hit tonight, although it should consolidate really well as usual.”

It's a 3 3/4 hour slot, so the average we get will be well below the actual match.

As you say, it should hit Cold Feet, but most Sky subscribers timeshift dramas by default.

Many may catch up, ad free, after the match. So it won't affect the overnights (except they'll be counted as 3/4 of a viewer!!)

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