Thanks so much for these Its great to get these, because we don't very often. Very interesting, but predictable nonetheless.

BBC skew so old on Sunday's, allowing overnight ratings to be high. The younger viewers are nowhere to be seen.

The Chase has 0.5m on 16-3 compared too a 0.7m for SCD. Not much difference despite SCD being three times as high in overall figures. What's the betting The Chase get a higher 16-34 skew with 3.1m compared with 4.8m for Pointless.

This does highlight, how different ITV's programmeing on Sunday skews, in comparison to BBC1 who can carry the a large number of same viewers throughout the night.

Tutankhuman is ITV's oldest skewing programme on last night.

I wonder if there might be a slight spanner in the works.

Emmerdale faces the BBC Regional News and Coronation Street is up against The One Show.

https://www.comedy.co.uk/tv/news/227...nda_to_return/

I can't wait. This is the first time I've been axcited about Corrie in years. I understand its Kate's first episodes which are completely her own, so I hop I'm not disappointed.

Emmerdale I suspect though will blow all the other soaps out the water. But I hope both are good and do well. It would be great to see Corrie strong again, and ratings pushing over 8m.

The connections between Hill's BBC stint and her new ITV commissions are there for all to see …

The writer of Doctor Foster? Check. Kay Mellor, with whom Hill worked extensively (and whose ITV classic Band Of Gold she name checked when she got the job)? Check. New projects from Harry and Jack Williams (The Missing)? Check. And a project from Mammoth Screen - with whom Hill worked on Poldark? Check.

The only former cohort missing is Drama Republic (Doctor Foster) - but you can expect them to have something in the pipeline.

So, all in all, very different from Loch Ness and the team behind that. And given how badly Beowulf failed, it really wouldn't surprise me at all if that big leap you refer to actually happened. Tim Haines isn't exactly known for post-watershed crime drama, after all …

This thread is supposed to be about ratings but all I keep reading is viewing figures ???????

That's what ratings are.

A roundup from rzt:

ITV entertainment show overnight averages (inc +1) so far this year:

1 - 7.9m (38%) - Britain's Got Talent... (-10%)
2 - 6.9m (33%) - The X Factor*... (-2%)
3 - 6.5m (31%) - Ant & Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway... (+10%)
4 - 4.0m (20%) - Ninja Warrior UK... (-5%)
5 - 3.6m (17%) - Take Me Out... (+5%)
6 - 3.5m (18%) - Tonight At The London Palladium... (-5%)
7 - 3.5m (17%) - Big Star's Little Star... (+3%)
8 - 3.4m (17%) - You're Back In The Room... (-16%)
9 - 2.9m (13%) - All Star Mr and Mrs... (-5%)
10 - 2.9m (16%) - Celebrity Chase*... (-11%)
11 - 2.4m (14%) - Go For It... (NEW)
12 - 2.5m (18%) - Catchphrase... (+6%)
13 - 2.5m (13%) - Play To The Whistle... (-4%)
14 - 2.4m (12%) - Bear Grylls: Million Survive... (-23%)
15 - 2.2m (13%) - The Jonathan Ross Show*... (-8%)
16 - 2.2m (10%) - Meet The Parents*... (NEW)
16 - 2.1m (12%) - Bang On The Money... (NEW)
17 - 1.6m (08%) - Drive... (NEW)

Drama Consolidated Averages for 2016
Here are the consolidated averages for BBC One and ITV dramas so far this year:

BBC One
1 - 11.64m - Sherlock... (-2%)
2 - 9.95m - Call The Midwife... (-3%)
3 - 8.55m - Happy Valley... (+19%)
4 - 8.42m - The Night Manager... (NEW/+11%)
5 - 8.41m - Silent Witness... (+1%)
6 - 8.08m - Death In Paradise... (-6%)
7 - 7.06m - War And Peace... (NEW/-16%)
8 - 6.30m - Poldark*... (-17%)
9 - 5.77m - Shetland... (+1%)
10 - 5.51m - The A Word... (NEW/-4%)
11 - 5.43m - Our Girl... (+8%)
12 - 5.28m - Undercover... (NEW/-22%)
13 - 5.02m - One Of Us... (NEW/-15%)
14 - 4.37m - In The Club... (-22%)
15 - 4.16m - Wallander... (-29%)
16 - 3.80m - The Secret Agent... (NEW/-44%)
17 - 3.94m - Dickensian... (NEW/-28%)
18 - 3.55m – The Musketeers... (-17%)
19 - 3.10m – New Blood... (NEW/-34%)
20 – 2.73m – Reg... (NEW)
21 – 2.52m – The Living And The Dead... (NEW/-51%)
22 – 2.46m – Love, Nina... (NEW/-41%)
23 – 2.10m – Midsummer Night’s Dream... (NEW)

ITV total (exc +1 in brackets)
1 - 7.64m (6.95m) - Victoria... (NEW/-3%)
2 - 7.32m (6.45m) - Vera... (+18%)
3 - 7.17m (6.82m) - Maigret... (NEW)
4 - 7.05m (6.65m) - Cold Feet*... (REVIVAL/-23%)
5 - 6.96m (6.67m) - The Durrells... (NEW/-24%)
6 - 6.81m (6.41m) - Marcella... (NEW/-21%)
7 - 6.44m (6.11m) - Grantchester... (-3%)
8 - 6.43m (6.00m) - Midsomer Murders... (+9%)
9 - 6.34m (5.73m) - Endeavour... (-6%)
10 - 6.29m (5.87m) - Scott & Bailey... (+4%)
11 - 5.88m (5.49m) - Home Fires... (-4%)
12 - 5.71m (5.38m) – Brief Encounters... (NEW/-8%)
13 - 5.58m (5.26m) - The Secret... (NEW/-1%)
14 - 4.91m (4.44m) - DCI Banks... (-10%)
15 - 4.86m (4.44m) - Doctor Thorne... (NEW/-22%)
16 - 4.53m (4.22m) - Mr Selfridge... (-14%)
17 - 4.50m (4.06m) - Paranoid*... (-29%)
18 - 4.14m (3.76m) - Jericho... (NEW/-19%)
19 - 3.98m (3.73m) - The Level*... (NEW/-16%)
20 - 3.99m (3.65m) - Churchill's Secret... (NEW)
21 - 2.31m (2.10m) - Beowulf... (NEW/-38%)

In brackets is the % rise or fall compared to the averages for their previous series. For new shows, the % is the rise or fall between the first and last episodes of the series.

* means the show is currently airing and those averages are subject to change

That's why you shouldn't always chase the younger viewers. ITV used to get the older viewers regularly through their dramas that's how you get a big volume of viewers watching a channel.

Rick's not wrong.

That number may look bad when taken out of context, however- BGT had many factors working against it in the overnights, in fact, the most factors ever- week 1 had 7pm start and Voice clash, week 4 was on bank holiday, week 5 was one of the hottest days of the year, week 6 had Eurovision, week 7 had a football clash bringing the average down 500k or so, the live shows weren't in half-term and had good weather, and the final was the most dire piece of scheduling I've ever seen- hot sunny bank holiday with a football clash.

In the audition stages, the timeshifting eliminated these factors however.
Just a shame the live shows don't have the space to timeshift as much due to the night-after-night format (which I still enjoy).

It would fill 2 hours but I think it'd get what has now for regular episodes. We'll see next year.

The quality of some of the earlier live shows seemed to affect BGT on its way to the final.

I'm looking forward to IAC return.

some of those skews are depressing. The fact that 57% of viewers watching the BBC News were over 65. No wonder there are so many younger people who don't know what's going on in the world.

Of course ITV doesn't have issue attracting older viewers in other slots, with dramas and Corrie, just not as pronounced as Sunday's on BBC One. You need a mix across the schedule which is why they persist with these younger but generally low rating reality shows and the like.

I'd be more interested in seeing how many people use the BBC News app, rather than TV ratings. All that really shows is older people use more traditional methods of obtaining news.

What you've got to remember about The X Factor though is that at one point, its share across all viewers was 45%. It's lost viewers across the board, irrespective of demographic.

That's mentioned every day on this thread, every man and his goldfish knows XF has lost viewers- however, one shouldn't suppress praise of its impressive 16-34 demos.

They wouldn't if the show was on the BBC. Sorry but it's right.

Fair enough. I just think the tone is a bit weird for the day itself (would work better in the run up to it, perhaps Christmas Eve or even the Wednesday before) and also it'll be removed from the competition itself. One of the things people like about these competition shows is getting to know the contestants, the "journeys" etc, which the specials won't have. The Strictly Christmas special normally gets around 7m even though the regular series gets 10m and I think Strictly is a better fit for the day. I think Bake Off on Christmas Day would get an overnight of around 6m and consolidate to 8/9m.

You might be right about Grantchester, I'm not sure what their other options are. Obviously we know they've got Birds of a Feather, Blankety Blank and Grantchester but we don't know much else. They might use the second Maigret then but that won't be Christmas Day. Still something of a mystery.

Incidentally, this Thursday sees the start of the early schedule releases in the run up to Christmas. Hope Digiguide sorts itself out or it'll be a nightmare.


Yes, the first live show was dire and I think dented the figures a bit. Made people less willing to commit to the week. The rest of the shows were much better but you've got to get off to a good start.

It is apparent how she's using her BBC connections. I'm interested to see what gets announced next. Perhaps you're right about Loch Ness, it isn't Tim Haines' usual sort of thing. Probably for the best though, I can't imagine a teatime drama about the Loch Ness monster doing much.

Emmerdale has stepped everything up this week, even the social media!

They've created a 360 virtual timeline of the events on FaceBook. As the week goes on, the events get revealed. Then on Thursday you can see events over the full 24 hours in chronological order. Very clever.

I've banged on about it a lot on the soap board but the way Emmerdale was shot today was brilliant. Really night and day from how soaps are normally shot and looked like a 9pm drama. I expect this week will gain intense critical acclaim; whether it is reflected in ratings, we shall see. I do think there will be a spike on Thursday though.

They do still get a lot of older viewers. You've got Coronation Street and Emmerdale plus pretty much all of their dramas skew old. Stuff like Vera, Midsomer Murders and Endeavour in particular get a lot of older viewers and period dramas like Victoria and The Durrells do well with older viewers too. It's good to have a mix though, hence why young skewing stuff like The X Factor is important. It's why Take Me Out has probably been given more love than you'd think it deserves as it skews so young (possibly the youngest skewing show on the main channel). ITV have a decent age mix, if anything they don't have quite enough that appeals to younger audiences. They could do with some dramas that skew young (Doctor Who does for BBC1) but they're very difficult to find.


That's true, but to write off a 45% share of 16-34s because it doesn't do well with pensioners is shortsighted to say the least. The X Factor's role within ITV's income has probably changed a bit over the last few years but it remains one of their most important shows.

Thanks so much again for this list Rick (right name this time) and rzt.

Ant & Dec SNT did so well earlier this year. The trick next year it to retain the uplift to be flat YOY. It won't be against TVUK next year, but likely Let It Shine or Lets Dance which will likely be similar comp.

Catchprase is up YOY. It didn't do too badly during Summer, surrounded by dross, so I think give t another series. It rpt's well, certainly at Christmas.

Why has Brief Encounters not been recommissioned? It did well for Summer.