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The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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derek500
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jay Lee:
“I honestly didn't realise the BBC was sharing the Olympics rights with Sky. ”

They're not. Sky are just helping the BBC to give the majority of viewers in the UK a better viewing experience due to the inadequacy of Freeview.
Jay Lee
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“They're not. Sky are just helping the BBC to give the majority of viewers in the UK a better viewing experience due to the inadequacy of Freeview.”

Oh right. Thanks.
Dancc
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Channel 5 (exc. +1)
21:00: Football on 5 - 560k”

So close to being a somewhat respectable rating.

Probably be a false dawn and back down to its usual 400,000 next week. But weird that it pulled its biggest audience to date on a night when BBC One was screening live sport all evening.

It probably helps that C5 HD is now on Freeview as football in particular benefits greatly from the picture enhancement.
Jokanovic
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“They're not. Sky are just helping the BBC to give the majority of viewers in the UK a better viewing experience due to the inadequacy of Freeview.”

I didnt realise the majority of the country had Sky. When did that happen so quickly ?
derek500
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“I didnt realise the majority of the country had Sky. When did that happen so quickly ?”

No one said they did.
Straker
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“The awful Thursday night benefit shows are all part of the same series. Next week is episode 22 of 24 so there are only three more.”

Five and a half hours of Benefits programmes on Five today (another two hours worth on FiveStar) along with two hours of Dogs and Toddlers Make You LOL. Even in the context of waving a white flag because of Olympics on the other side that is an utterly shameful line-up, especially through the afternoon.
mogzyboy
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Five and a half hours of Benefits programmes on Five today (another two hours worth on FiveStar) along with two hours of Dogs and Toddlers Make You LOL. Even in the context of waving a white flag because of Olympics on the other side that is an utterly shameful line-up, especially through the afternoon.”

But lest we forget that they're phasing out the benefits porn soon.....
Steve Williams
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“And, more importantly, why did the BBC decide to give Rio 2016 its own ident, Glasgow 2014 its own ident yet London 2012 absolutely nothing?”

There were only three other programmes on BBC1 during London 2012, the news, a Grand Prix and Andrew Marr, so there seemed little point in creating an ident hardly anyone would see. That's besides the fact that BBC1 has a different Controller now than they did in 2012 who may have a different opinion about using special idents.

Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“Interestingly, I was looking for a comparison to last night's rating, and I think you'd find it difficult to find one given the timings of the previous Opening Ceremonies:

25/07/1992 - Barcelona - 17:15 to 21:00”

This is a bit of a boring observation but as you can see from this YouTube video - https://youtu.be/u_1BemhUPX4 - although it was billed as such in the Radio Times the Opening Ceremony in Barcelona was actually ninety minutes later than that, with BBC1 showing the film Summer Rental to fill the gap. Dunno what happened there.

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“BBC 2
20:30: Dad's Army - 1.35m
21:00: The Mystery of Van Gough's Ear - 1.48m
22:10: Olympics 2016 - 680k”

Quite good for BBC2, that, certainly for Van Gogh. You would assume that BBC2 might try and be a bit more populist when BBC1 is non-stop sport but they clearly haven't done that, and the same is true of next Saturday when they're showing a Prom. Not doing them any harm at all. Not like in 1998 when they showed Kindergarten Cop opposite the First Night Of The Proms - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules...09-12#at-21.00

Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“Blimey, it's only day one, full of minor sports and uncompetitive heats. Agree they look fine.
That London figure was no doubt questioned four years ago....”

Indeed, I well remember the concern for some posters around day three of 2012 when Britain weren't winning any Golds and they'd not done much in the road cycling. I particularly remember someone bemoaning the fact we were already out of the judo.

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Yes I think the British mindset these days is one of needing to be seen at-or at least being able to say that you have attended, a big event. London 2012 was the biggest ever British event -and full stadiums for heats were the norm iirc. I don't think we will see quite the same level of interest in Rio.

It will be interesting to see how well attended the World Athletic Championships are next year in London.”

This is kind of related to the fact that England can almost always sell out Wembley for a qualifier, however bad they are and even if they're playing San Marino or someone. People laugh at England "only" getting 60,000 for a friendly when most other countries happily play friendlies and qualifiers in 15,000 seater stadia and don't even fill them.
Jokanovic
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by derek500:
“No one said they did.”

How are Sky helping the majority of viewers with their viewing experience? I guess I don't get what you mean ?
Dancc
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Five and a half hours of Benefits programmes on Five today (another two hours worth on FiveStar) along with two hours of Dogs and Toddlers Make You LOL. Even in the context of waving a white flag because of Olympics on the other side that is an utterly shameful line-up, especially through the afternoon.”

Reluctantly, I'll bite.

It looks like they have lost one of their major film contracts with Disney to Channel 4, so there probably will be more factual repeats on C5 on Sunday afternoons as opposed to films in the near future. You may not approve of the choice of repeats on this occasion, but repeats are repeats as far as I'm concerned and the issues surrounding the very existence of Benefits Britain in the schedules have been done to death so please let's not do it again quite so soon.

Also, let's not single any one broadcaster out. Even with Disney supporting their Sunday schedules C4 still felt it necessary to stick 4 hours worth of The Simpsons on - and I honestly can't think of a more tired show than that one, on any channel.
Straker
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Reluctantly, I'll bite.”

I'm not really sensing any reluctance from you and as you weren't singled out by quote I don't understand why it behoves you to jump to their defence.

Quote:
“It looks like they have lost one of their major film contracts with Disney to Channel 4, so there probably will be more factual repeats on C5 on Sunday afternoons as opposed to films in the near future. You may not approve of the choice of repeats on this occasion, but repeats are repeats as far as I'm concerned and the issues surrounding the very existence of Benefits Britain in the schedules has been done to death so please let's not do it again quite so soon.”

You told us they were winding this programming down and yet here we are with a solid four hour block, closely followed by a feature length 90 minutes later and an additional two hours worth on one of their other channels. The word for that is "indefensible". And yet you did.

Quote:
“Also, let's not single any one broadcaster out. Even with Disney supporting their Sunday schedules C4 still felt it necessary to stick 4 hours worth of The Simpsons on - and I honestly can't think of a more tired show than that one, on any channel.”

I'm not a fan of The Simpsons, I've never "got it" and yet even I know there's a tiny bit more artistic and creative merit in that than there is in back to back poverty porn.

An easy way for Five and yourself to avoid this subject again and again would be for them to, as promised (and then reneged on), turn their backs on this exploitative trash.
Dancc
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“I'm not really sensing any reluctance from you and as you weren't singled out by quote I don't understand why it behoves you to jump to their defence.”

It's a quiet day on the Ratings Thread and there was nothing else I could offer an opinion on. I've no strong thoughts on the opening numbers for the Olympics- and although your post felt very much like deja vu, it was worth pointing out that there may be reasons why Five's Sunday schedule was so weak this afternoon, and put it in some sort of context.

It's absolutely not about jumping to their defense. Let's make it crystal clear to avoid any doubt: we absolutely agree on Benefits Britain, it is not a programme that I endorse in any way shape or form and the sooner they are shot of it the better. At the same time, do I think it's the single most significant thing about the C5 schedules right now? No, I do not. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest that it is.

Originally Posted by Straker:
“You told us they were winding this programming down and yet here we are with a solid four hour block, closely followed by a feature length 90 minutes later and an additional two hours worth on one of their other channels. The word for that is "indefensible". And yet you did.”

I'm not defending it per se, but hours of repeats isn't going to look good whatever the programme may be. It's a Sunday afternoon, they could and should be doing more. But being mid-summer and with film contracts recently changing, I can appreciate there will be very weak Sundays and this happens to be one of those.

Originally Posted by Straker:
“An easy way for Five and yourself to avoid this subject again and again would be for them to, as promised (and then reneged on), turn their backs on this exploitative trash.”

...and then something else will be found to pin on C5 forever more, no doubt.

In all seriousness I don't doubt Frow's intentions and look forward to hearing more about his future programming plans, along with the other channel controllers, at the TV festival later this month, when perhaps this issue can be put to bed once and for all.
davies88
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“But weird that it pulled its biggest audience to date on a night when BBC One was screening live sport all evening.”

I can't see most Football League fans having an interest in the Olympics. Just because it's sport, it's not the same.
derek500
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“How are Sky helping the majority of viewers with their viewing experience? I guess I don't get what you mean ?”

Sky's deal was with the BBC and Freesat, so with Sky's 10m, Freesat's 2m and an estimated 1.5m generic/lapsed Sky FTA homes, over half the country benefit from the extra BBC satellite channels paid for by Sky.
Dancc
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by davies88:
“I can't see most Football League fans having an interest in the Olympics. Just because it's sport, it's not the same.”

Don't agree with you there, but I suppose people dip in and out of the Olympics and so maybe simply having them around was a help to Football on 5, bringing "new" viewers to TV that are normally otherwise occupied on a night when the viewing highlight at this time of year is typically Casualty.
iaindb
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Don't agree with you there, but I suppose people dip in and out of the Olympics and so maybe simply having them around was a help to Football on 5, bringing "new" viewers to TV that are normally otherwise occupied on a night when the viewing highlight at this time of year is typically Casualty.”

If The Championship on C5 had a few extra viewers last night then I'll wager that was Sunderland fans tuning in to enjoy highlights of Newcastle losing to Fulham.
Dancc
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“If The Championship on C5 had a few extra viewers last night then I'll wager that was Sunderland fans tuning in to enjoy highlights of Newcastle losing to Fulham.”



Incidentally the programme's new presenter, Lynsey Hipgrave, is a Newcastle fan.
DanManF1
07-08-2016
There was in an injury in the friendly on ITV which caused a significant delay. Midsomer Murders hasn't actually started yet.

(I know everyone's watching the Olympics, but still...)
RobbieSykes123
08-08-2016
The RB channels on Sky are a real boon. Pressing the red button and waiting is so faffy even on sky, but they are all there on the guide from 472 onwards in both HD and SD, and crucially, available to record which you can't do via RB. The RB also takes you to the SD channels, no HD option which seems barmy.

I only found these out by chance.

RB via Freeview is appalling in 2016. Yesterday at my folks the red button just flicked between BBC1 and BBC4. Gee, thanks!
lewiep93
08-08-2016
Channel 4 Press ‏@C4Press 3s4 seconds ago
#47Ronin averaged 1.3m on Channel 4 last night, +25% on the slot average
Ray Tings
08-08-2016
BBC1
Olympics 2016 (7.30pm): 5.45m (27.1%)
BBC News (10pm): 4.93m (26.8%)
Match of the Day: Community Shield: 1.75m (13.2%)

BBC2
Dragons' Den: 2.38m (11.3%)
Olympics 2016 (10pm): 1.92m (12.7%)
Robot Wars: 1.58m (7.9%)

BBC4
Olympics (7pm-10pm): 0.45m (2.3%)
Olympics (10pm-2am): 0.21m (2.7%)

Channel 4 (exc. +1)
Film: 47 Ronin (Premiere): 1.11m (6.3%)
Flying to the Ends of the Earth: 0.87m (4.3%)

Channel 5 (exc. +1)
Celebrity Big Brother: 1.33m (6.3%)
Test Cricket: 0.89m (4.9%)
Toddlers Make You Laugh Out Loud (Repeat): 0.78m (3.9%)

Excludes programmes starting before 7pm and after 11pm
kwynne42
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“The RB channels on Sky are a real boon. Pressing the red button and waiting is so faffy even on sky, but they are all there on the guide from 472 onwards in both HD and SD, and crucially, available to record which you can't do via RB. The RB also takes you to the SD channels, no HD option which seems barmy.

I only found these out by chance.

RB via Freeview is appalling in 2016. Yesterday at my folks the red button just flicked between BBC1 and BBC4. Gee, thanks!”

During the day they kept saying to tune into Red Button for various sport but the Freeview RB didn't start until about 7pm.
kwynne42
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“BBC1
Olympics 2016 (7.30pm): 5.45m (27.1%)
BBC News (10pm): 4.93m (26.8%)
Match of the Day: Community Shield: 1.75m (13.2%)

BBC2
Dragons' Den: 2.38m (11.3%)
Olympics 2016 (10pm): 1.92m (12.7%)
Robot Wars: 1.58m (7.9%)

BBC4
Olympics (7pm-10pm): 0.45m (2.3%)
Olympics (10pm-2am): 0.21m (2.7%)

Channel 4 (exc. +1)
Film: 47 Ronin (Premiere): 1.11m (6.3%)
Flying to the Ends of the Earth: 0.87m (4.3%)

Channel 5 (exc. +1)
Celebrity Big Brother: 1.33m (6.3%)
Test Cricket: 0.89m (4.9%)
Toddlers Make You Laugh Out Loud (Repeat): 0.78m (3.9%)”

No doubt highest ever ratings for Rugby 7's heh
RobbieSykes123
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“During the day they kept saying to tune into Red Button for various sport but the Freeview RB didn't start until about 7pm.”

Yes it was rather annoying!
Ray Tings
08-08-2016
Yesterday's #OlympicReplay on BBC2 avged 1.1m/15.1% from 9.15am, but had a reach of 4.4m

Live coverage of #Rio2016 from 1pm on BBC1 avged slot-winning 2.3m/21.6%, with 10.5m reach

#RioOlympics2016 coverage on BBC4 gave the channel a 1.9% all-day average, and 2.3% in peaktime

http://www.overnights.tv
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