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Old 23-10-2016, 10:40
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I thought SCD was just ok last night. Almost a bit mid-season but they always do great with Halloween.

Not sure if an observation on XF is allowed on here these days but for me it's lost its way with the lives. I thought last night's theme was poor. The judges massively overrated some of the performances. Standing ovations used to mean something but now the judges just stand up for anything. As for the staged arguments between Simon and Nicole....

Would Phil Collins have added viewers to JR ?
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:40
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Here's the headline:

ITV still make money from X Factor.

Are the ratings disappointing? Yes. Should it have done better? Yes. Would anything else get a similar rating in the same slot? No.

Do people REALLY believe ITV would have signed a new three year deal if it wasn't making them any profit?
Which renders this constant crisis discussion week after week totally pointless. The show isn't going to suddenly collapse completely. If it can survive last year's shambles it can survive just about anything.

ITV have accepted the show at its current level by signing a new deal. Simon has gone quiet over Strictly as defeat has been conceded in that battle. Calm down everyone.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:41
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I think Simon will try and keep X Factor alive as long as possible. He lost X Factor USA, American Idol and has only X Factor here now, if he moves along, I don't think he will be in business anymore
Cowell still has Britain's Got Talent if he's that desperate to be on the telly. If X-Factor ratings ever dipped below the 5m mark I don't think his ego could take it.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:44
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Which renders this constant crisis discussion week after week totally pointless. The show isn't going to suddenly collapse completely. If it can survive last year's shambles it can survive just about anything.

ITV have accepted the show at its current level by signing a new deal. Simon has gone quiet over Strictly as defeat has been conceded in that battle. Calm down everyone.
Exactly, the argument here every week is really quite ridiculous.

People forget that ITV is about profit, not just ratings. If something is making money, it's going nowhere.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:45
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Here's the headline:

ITV still make money from X Factor.

Are the ratings disappointing? Yes. Should it have done better? Yes. Would anything else get a similar rating in the same slot? No.

Do people REALLY believe ITV would have signed a new three year deal if it wasn't making them any profit?
This thread is about ratings not on how much money is made from the show. Start up a thread about that if that's what you want to discuss.

It's all about the rating in this thread. Yes it gets repetitive but it's what people want to talk about.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:45
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Cowell still has Britain's Got Talent if he's that desperate to be on the telly. If X-Factor ratings ever dipped below the 5m mark I don't think his ego could take it.
And you know Cowell personally?

I really think people over-emphasise how much people care about ratings. As long as X Factor makes money and produces artists, do you think Cowell really gives a toss?
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:47
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Exactly, the argument here every week is really quite ridiculous.

People forget that ITV is about profit, not just ratings. If something is making money, it's going nowhere.
A show that bring in 10 million viewers allows ITV to charge more for the advertising slots within the programme. A show that brings in less than 6 million that won't be able to charge as much - reducing said profits.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:48
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ITV have pulled in better figures against Bake Off this year despite the BBC One show pulling in more viewers than Strictly at the moment. Not that 2.4m is anything to shout about but still better than Meet the Parents!

Admittedly a Coronation Street lead in probably helps.
Strictly is getting the same share as GBBO. MTP is doing Mr and Mrs share (I think) and is probably cheaper to make (I assume the celebrities get paid).
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:49
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This thread is about ratings not on how much money is made from the show. Start up a thread about that if that's what you want to discuss.

It's all about the rating in this thread. Yes it gets repetitive but it's what people want to talk about.
It might be about the rating, but when people go on to suggest it needs axing - that's not about the rating is it?

Let's not even pretend half the discussion is about the actual X Factor rating. It's mostly the tiny group of Cowell arse lickers arguing with the fierce BBC loyalists.

I'd be all for more objective, non-agenda led discussion.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:50
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Amazing for SCD.

OK for X Factor. I think tonight's results will be up again on last week. Last week had 6.6m I think tonight could be up to 6.8m but maybe last week had the Little Mix Factor and that's why it was higher.

We will see tonight.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:51
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This thread is about ratings not on how much money is made from the show. Start up a thread about that if that's what you want to discuss.

It's all about the rating in this thread. Yes it gets repetitive but it's what people want to talk about.
Its sll sbout ratings in this thread?? Erm since when?
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:51
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A show that bring in 10 million viewers allows ITV to charge more for the advertising slots within the programme. A show that brings in less than 6 million that won't be able to charge as much - reducing said profits.
I simply said "making money". I didn't go into detail about which level of making money makes it non-viable.

I don't think a brand new show could meet X Factor levels unfortunately.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:53
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I really think people over-emphasise how much people care about ratings. As long as X Factor makes money and produces artists, do you think Cowell really gives a toss?
Yes. I do. He'll have to see out the next three years because that's the contract, but if you think he doesn't care at all about what a lame duck the show is turning into your mad.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:54
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A show that bring in 10 million viewers allows ITV to charge more for the advertising slots within the programme. A show that brings in less than 6 million that won't be able to charge as much - reducing said profits.
Yes ITV should just launched a new show and axe TXF. It'll just slot right in and get 4m more than X Factor. Why didn't anyone think of that sooner?
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:54
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From rzt:

Strictly Come Dancing - 10.07m (46.6%)
* peak - 10.81m (48.5%) at 19:55

Inc +1
Tipping Point - 2.19m (12.0%)
Meet The Parents - 1.92m (8.9%)
The X Factor - 5.94m (28.9%)
* peak - 6.88m (33.4%) at 21:00
Jonathan Ross Show - 3.18m (19.9%)
Maybe they should swap tipping point and meet the parents, xfactor under 6m with +1
Oh dear
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:57
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Yes ITV should just launched a new show and axe TXF. It'll just slot right in and get 4m more than X Factor. Why didn't anyone think of that sooner?
Where did I say anything about a new show getting 4 million more viewers?
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:57
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Its sll sbout ratings in this thread?? Erm since when?
When they are posted every morning.
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Old 23-10-2016, 10:57
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From rzt:

Strictly Come Dancing - 10.07m (46.6%)
* peak - 10.81m (48.5%) at 19:55

Inc +1
Tipping Point - 2.19m (12.0%)
Meet The Parents - 1.92m (8.9%)
The X Factor - 5.94m (28.9%)
* peak - 6.88m (33.4%) at 21:00
Jonathan Ross Show - 3.18m (19.9%)

Welll I think those ratings just about prove my point. Meet The Parents is not enough to attract the audience who are not watching SCD. Those floating viewers have no interest a dating show aimed at a younger audience - therefore they move over to BBC1 for SCD.

Is it any wonder its getting its best ratings, when ITV's schedule is struggling!? From a ratings point of view, swapping Tipping Point (an established show) and Meet The Parents should be made. The former is higher than MTP in an earlier slot, where ITV's ratings are usually under 2m.

Trying out new stuff against SCD is admirable, but its clearly not working, whether its uninteresting like Go For It or aiming at one demographic like Mert The Parents. Therefore the best option is to put in place known hits. My schedule for next year would be:

Saturday

6pm Tipping Point Lucky Stars
7pm The Chase CS
8pm The X Factor

Sunday

7pm Ninja Warrior UK
8pm The X Factor
9pm Victoria

On the Saturday the combo on TP and TC will work as one and build up an audience like they do on weekdays.

On the Sunday NWUK starts at 7pm (before SCd) and will appeal to casual audinces as something easy to watch, meaning SCd is not the only option. Its will also feed nicely into TXF.
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:01
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This thread is about ratings not on how much money is made from the show. Start up a thread about that if that's what you want to discuss.

It's all about the rating in this thread. Yes it gets repetitive but it's what people want to talk about.
Profits matter to companies. Independence Day made $200m more than Bridget Jones 3 but one is a flop and the other has a shot at a fourth film.

TP and especially MTP are dirt cheap to make and so need to be seen very differently to a show like say Red or Black.
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:02
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Where did I say anything about a new show getting 4 million more viewers?
Yawn.

TXF's every rating is subject to ridiculous levels of scrutiny. The reality is that there isn't a show that ITV can slot in which will rate higher so therefore the talk of it being axed week after week is utterly pointless.

6m is perfectly acceptable for ITV. It's still the show that advertisers will want to advertise during on a Saturday night, as no commercial channel is rating higher.

Why is TXF subject to such a circus on here? It makes no sense. It isn't a TV juggernaut anymore. About time this forum stopped treating it like one.
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:06
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Yawn.

TXF's every rating is subject to ridiculous levels of scrutiny. The reality is that there isn't a show that ITV can slot in which will rate higher so therefore the talk of it being axed week after week is utterly pointless.

6m is perfectly acceptable for ITV. It's still the show that advertisers will want to advertise during on a Saturday night, as no commercial channel is rating higher.

Why is TXF subject to such a circus on here? It makes no sense. It isn't a TV juggernaut anymore. About time this forum stopped treating it like one.
Go make a cup of tea dear
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:08
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Profits matter to companies. Independence Day made $200m more than Bridget Jones 3 but one is a flop and the other has a shot at a fourth film.

TP and especially MTP are dirt cheap to make and so need to be seen very differently to a show like say Red or Black.
But no- matter how young Meet The Parents skews, ITV cannot justify a rating for a 7pm Le show under 2m - even against SCD. That is accepting defeat.

Meet The Parents would be better on ITV2. I don't think new dating shows are that interesting to the general public anymore (bar Love Island and Take Me Out who have appealed to a large number of young viewers).
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:10
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I think Simon will try and keep X Factor alive as long as possible. He lost X Factor USA, American Idol and has only X Factor here now, if he moves along, I don't think he will be in business anymore
American Idol was never his anyway, he was just paid (a lot!) to judge it. He's got BGT and also this year joined the panel of America's Got Talent, which had its highest rating series in 5 years. I think he'll be alright.
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:12
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But no- matter how young Meet The Parents skews, ITV cannot justify a rating for a 7pm Le show under 2m - even against SCD. That is accepting defeat.

Meet The Parents would be better on ITV2. I don't think new dating shows are that interesting to the general public anymore (bar Love Island and Take Me Out who have appealed to a large number of young viewers).
You say this time and time again, but offer no viable solution.
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Old 23-10-2016, 11:13
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When they are posted every morning.
Guess you havent seen people actually talking about tv programmes in this thread then?
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