Nobody got any other ratings from last night? Then we could maybe move the discussion on to something less contentious, perhaps.
The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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Originally Posted by thengp12:
“I hope "Who Dares Wins" rates better than "5 Star Family Reunion". It is a far better Quiz show.”
“I hope "Who Dares Wins" rates better than "5 Star Family Reunion". It is a far better Quiz show.”
It's the only one of the lottery adjuncts that I watch. Anybody know why the last champions of the previous series didn't return?
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Excellent for Strictly, the first time it has hit 10m overnight in October since 2011!”
“Excellent for Strictly, the first time it has hit 10m overnight in October since 2011!”
Daily Star readers wanting to find out if Brendan was really dead?
Originally Posted by sw2963:
“Maybe the format is ok. Are some put off by the host?”
“Maybe the format is ok. Are some put off by the host?”
I'd think this would be it. People fed up of seeing the same old bland ITV hosts, presenting everything. It's a sad reflection of modern times when you have Stephen Mulhern and Holly Willoughby fronting prime time Saturday night ITV. Cilla and Beadle they aint.
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They're not dependable shows though. None of those shows are likely to hit 3m v SCD. Ninja would be facing the axe for losing over 1m viewers and the Chase would maybe bump along at 3m. If that.
Now I agree that putting Tipping Chase on a Saturday makes sense as you write the slots off and try to grow new shows v lighter competition. SCD has had over 10 years to cement this position, nothing is going to dent it until people tire of it.
Strictly did that joke last night where Claudia was holding a rope and then there was a crash noise and the audience laughed. In fact, they clapped. It was gahbarge. Utter drivel yet SCD is golden righr now.
Part of the reason it's so worshipped is because it's not XF. Move XF like I've said before and maybe, just maybe, people might start judging SCD more critically.
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“There has been loads of talk over the years about the financial side of things, people suggesting certain contracts are loss making. I expect when GBBO starts on Channel 4 that will be a major focus.
What's the point of that though. You show those more established programmes now, get a maximum of about 0.5m extra, and then when easier slots come around in Winter and Spring you've already used up those hit shows, plus you've practically killed them off in the process.
So you'd be leading into The Voice or SNT with new shows, which would be slammed as providing a poor lead in, or depending on where TVUK is scheduled, you may end up airing a Saturday schedule entirely made up of new shows in January, and we've been there before.[/QUOTE]
Well the present situation clearly isn't working, or can you see success in 1.9m for Meet The Parents. Or you think ITV are doing their best? Whatever ITV do schedule wise, you seem to think they can't do any better, and anyone who dare suggests otherwise, has no idea what they are talking about.
BBC manage (bar the default audience) to rate well in various areas of the schedule without having all new shows in January. Each big show gets support, and support from a show they know is it a hit. Now I know it works dfferently on ITV, but the principle is still the same.
The schedule above woud be eight episodes of each Tipping Point, The Chase and NWUK. That doesn't mean none of them can play in January. Pointless manaes to have a series of celebrity virtually all year round.
Why would they be killed off. If they are strong dependable formats, they can recover in January.
Putting new shows against SCD is killing them off straight away. What's the point of making them then?”
“There has been loads of talk over the years about the financial side of things, people suggesting certain contracts are loss making. I expect when GBBO starts on Channel 4 that will be a major focus.
What's the point of that though. You show those more established programmes now, get a maximum of about 0.5m extra, and then when easier slots come around in Winter and Spring you've already used up those hit shows, plus you've practically killed them off in the process.
So you'd be leading into The Voice or SNT with new shows, which would be slammed as providing a poor lead in, or depending on where TVUK is scheduled, you may end up airing a Saturday schedule entirely made up of new shows in January, and we've been there before.[/QUOTE]
Well the present situation clearly isn't working, or can you see success in 1.9m for Meet The Parents. Or you think ITV are doing their best? Whatever ITV do schedule wise, you seem to think they can't do any better, and anyone who dare suggests otherwise, has no idea what they are talking about.
BBC manage (bar the default audience) to rate well in various areas of the schedule without having all new shows in January. Each big show gets support, and support from a show they know is it a hit. Now I know it works dfferently on ITV, but the principle is still the same.
The schedule above woud be eight episodes of each Tipping Point, The Chase and NWUK. That doesn't mean none of them can play in January. Pointless manaes to have a series of celebrity virtually all year round.
Why would they be killed off. If they are strong dependable formats, they can recover in January.
Putting new shows against SCD is killing them off straight away. What's the point of making them then?”
They're not dependable shows though. None of those shows are likely to hit 3m v SCD. Ninja would be facing the axe for losing over 1m viewers and the Chase would maybe bump along at 3m. If that.
Now I agree that putting Tipping Chase on a Saturday makes sense as you write the slots off and try to grow new shows v lighter competition. SCD has had over 10 years to cement this position, nothing is going to dent it until people tire of it.
Strictly did that joke last night where Claudia was holding a rope and then there was a crash noise and the audience laughed. In fact, they clapped. It was gahbarge. Utter drivel yet SCD is golden righr now.
Part of the reason it's so worshipped is because it's not XF. Move XF like I've said before and maybe, just maybe, people might start judging SCD more critically.
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The Chase got 3.14m against SCD last Sunday, and that's whith Countyfile on the other side already being inflated over 8m.
Ninja Warrior UK was puling in 4.5m earlier this year against TVUK, while TMO was below 4m. Clearly the dating show is less popular. Therefore NWUK should be better o suport TXF and more watchable for casual viewers.
I'm really finding it difficult to see how some think Meet The Parents sub 2m rating, is all ITV's hope gone and they should just continue with poor ratings, as SCD gradually gets bigger and the problem continues each year.
Its basically the Tuesday situation. Put crap on, viewers will refuse to watch. Ratings drop. ITV put flimsy programming on Tuesday bcause ratings are poor on Tuesday, rating s drop further, so then ITV decide to try out The Agenda and sink to new depths.
The facts are: The Chase is rating better against SCD than a new show in Meet The Parents. In fact its 1m+ higher. That tells you a nown hit will do better than keep throwing new suff to die against SCD.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
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They're not dependable shows though. None of those shows are likely to hit 3m v SCD. Ninja would be facing the axe for losing over 1m viewers and the Chase would maybe bump along at 3m. If that.
Now I agree that putting Tipping Chase on a Saturday makes sense as you write the slots off and try to grow new shows v lighter competition. SCD has had over 10 years to cement this position, nothing is going to dent it until people tire of it.
Strictly did that joke last night where Claudia was holding a rope and then there was a crash noise and the audience laughed. In fact, they clapped. It was gahbarge. Utter drivel yet SCD is golden righr now.
Part of the reason it's so worshipped is because it's not XF. Move XF like I've said before and maybe, just maybe, people might start judging SCD more critically.”
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They're not dependable shows though. None of those shows are likely to hit 3m v SCD. Ninja would be facing the axe for losing over 1m viewers and the Chase would maybe bump along at 3m. If that.
Now I agree that putting Tipping Chase on a Saturday makes sense as you write the slots off and try to grow new shows v lighter competition. SCD has had over 10 years to cement this position, nothing is going to dent it until people tire of it.
Strictly did that joke last night where Claudia was holding a rope and then there was a crash noise and the audience laughed. In fact, they clapped. It was gahbarge. Utter drivel yet SCD is golden righr now.
Part of the reason it's so worshipped is because it's not XF. Move XF like I've said before and maybe, just maybe, people might start judging SCD more critically.”
The Chase got 3.14m against SCD last Sunday, and that's whith Countyfile on the other side already being inflated over 8m.
Ninja Warrior UK was puling in 4.5m earlier this year against TVUK, while TMO was below 4m. Clearly the dating show is less popular. Therefore NWUK should be better o suport TXF and more watchable for casual viewers.
I'm really finding it difficult to see how some think Meet The Parents sub 2m rating, is all ITV's hope gone and they should just continue with poor ratings, as SCD gradually gets bigger and the problem continues each year.
Its basically the Tuesday situation. Put crap on, viewers will refuse to watch. Ratings drop. ITV put flimsy programming on Tuesday bcause ratings are poor on Tuesday, rating s drop further, so then ITV decide to try out The Agenda and sink to new depths.
The facts are: The Chase is rating better against SCD than a new show in Meet The Parents. In fact its 1m+ higher. That tells you a nown hit will do better than keep throwing new suff to die against SCD.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Why does this BBC propagandist post about ratings, he embarrasses himself. I think Pointless would do much better without him.”
“Why does this BBC propagandist post about ratings, he embarrasses himself. I think Pointless would do much better without him.”
Pointless wouldn't exist without him. He was one of the original concept team, was asked directly by BBC to continue on screen after only sitting in for a demonstration, and directly recruited Alexander Armstrong.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Maybe ITV should just put some family film repeats on against Strictly.”
“Maybe ITV should just put some family film repeats on against Strictly.”
At least 'Despicable Me' might build a better audience. But then ITV will get slated for not trying, so they can't really win.
Somebody made a good call last week about obtaining the rights to the Pixar films and showing those. That might work for ITV. They could trail it as 'Pixar Season on ITV', and show one film each Saturday and Sunday evening.
Originally Posted by Nostlagic:
“Wossy unusually high. Did they have a big A-list line up last night?”
“Wossy unusually high. Did they have a big A-list line up last night?”
Phil Collins was on and also did a song. The rest were A list though.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“At least 'Despicable Me' might build a better audience. But then ITV will get slated for not trying, so they can't really win.
Somebody made a good call last week about obtaining the rights to the Pixar films and showing those. That might work for ITV. They could trail it as 'Pixar Season on ITV', and show one film each Saturday and Sunday evening.”
“At least 'Despicable Me' might build a better audience. But then ITV will get slated for not trying, so they can't really win.
Somebody made a good call last week about obtaining the rights to the Pixar films and showing those. That might work for ITV. They could trail it as 'Pixar Season on ITV', and show one film each Saturday and Sunday evening.”
Isn't that what people have Netflix etc. for? I'm even told that some people see films way in advance of TV by going to the cinema but I'm not sure I'm quite ready to believe that! Do films on ITV with all the ad breaks really do anything worthwhile ratings wise?
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Pointless wouldn't exist without him. He was one of the original concept team, was asked directly by BBC to continue on screen after only sitting in for a demonstration, and directly recruited Alexander Armstrong.”
“Pointless wouldn't exist without him. He was one of the original concept team, was asked directly by BBC to continue on screen after only sitting in for a demonstration, and directly recruited Alexander Armstrong.”
Well perhaps it would be best for him to continue off-screen in the concept team.
It's clear from tweets such as that one that he sees himself as way more intelligent & intellectual than he actually is - I know way more about ratings than he does, and I don't work in the TV industry (yet)!
Something like The Agenda could work opposite SCD, You not going to win so you may as well go for PSB.
Can't see a run of 10 films doing much, and would be seen as not even bothering. You'd be talking 2-2.5m
They'd still be up against Strictly, which contrary to some opinions here people actually like, and aren't just watching it because they don't like what is on ITV.
They'd still be up against Strictly, which contrary to some opinions here people actually like, and aren't just watching it because they don't like what is on ITV.
Going to be a long 3 years for ITV on that X Factor deal. I think they could have Jesus Christ on the panel and the ratings would keep going down automatically every year. It's just been a constant downward spiral since 2010/2011; whether them doing anything differently would have changed anything I'm not sure.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“At least 'Despicable Me' might build a better audience. But then ITV will get slated for not trying, so they can't really win.
Somebody made a good call last week about obtaining the rights to the Pixar films and showing those. That might work for ITV. They could trail it as 'Pixar Season on ITV', and show one film each Saturday and Sunday evening.”
“At least 'Despicable Me' might build a better audience. But then ITV will get slated for not trying, so they can't really win.
Somebody made a good call last week about obtaining the rights to the Pixar films and showing those. That might work for ITV. They could trail it as 'Pixar Season on ITV', and show one film each Saturday and Sunday evening.”
Would work better in the Summer months. You'd watch an old film when you're interested in an underwhelming new programme. ITV don't have to beat Strictly, just do better opposite it to bring the overall ratings for the day up. Like Antiques Roadshow opposite X Factor.
Looking at some old ratings X Factor didn't need much of a lead-in back in 2008/9/10, same for Strictly too.
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“Something like The Agenda could work opposite SCD, You not going to win so you may as well go for PSB.”
“Something like The Agenda could work opposite SCD, You not going to win so you may as well go for PSB.”
That would probably be the lowest rating show in prime time television EVER. Who watches politics shows? Older people. What are the older people watching? Strictly.
The Agenda at 7PM on a Saturday night would be absolute suicide.
Originally Posted by Jokanovic:
“But ratings is what still brings posters here.”
“But ratings is what still brings posters here.”
Yeah but I never said it didn't
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“Something like The Agenda could work opposite SCD, You not going to win so you may as well go for PSB.”
“Something like The Agenda could work opposite SCD, You not going to win so you may as well go for PSB.”
People want entertainment on a Saturday on BBC1 and ITV.
ITV can have something getting over 3/4m opposite Strictly in the early evening. Like how BBC1 can get 3/4m opposite X Factor on a Saturday evening. A big show and a couple of solid ones would boost overall share for the day.
The lead-in isn't the problem for The X Factor, it's the fact that live shows now don't rate as well as the auditions/Judges' Houses/Six Chair Challenge.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Well perhaps it would be best for him to continue off-screen in the concept team.
It's clear from tweets such as that one that he sees himself as way more intelligent & intellectual than he actually is - I know way more about ratings than he does, and I don't work in the TV industry (yet)!”
“Well perhaps it would be best for him to continue off-screen in the concept team.
It's clear from tweets such as that one that he sees himself as way more intelligent & intellectual than he actually is - I know way more about ratings than he does, and I don't work in the TV industry (yet)!”
No, you really don't. You are totally deluded. I'm sure somebody who WORKS in television knows a thousand things you don't know about ratings. His Twitter account is also his interest away from work - he can tweet whatever he wants.
You are 100% deluded.
The days of TV Burp and ratings monster X Factor were pretty special looking back. Harry ended while he was still on a (relative) high though.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“No, you really don't. You are totally deluded. I'm sure somebody who WORKS in television knows a thousand things you don't know about ratings. His Twitter account is also his interest away from work - he can tweet whatever he wants.
You are 100% deluded.”
“No, you really don't. You are totally deluded. I'm sure somebody who WORKS in television knows a thousand things you don't know about ratings. His Twitter account is also his interest away from work - he can tweet whatever he wants.
You are 100% deluded.”
Hes so bloody arrogant hes annoying, shame hes git nothing to say when the chase beats pointless, ehich I might add has becomr increasing boring
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“That would probably be the lowest rating show in prime time television EVER. Who watches politics shows? Older people. What are the older people watching? Strictly.
The Agenda at 7PM on a Saturday night would be absolute suicide.”
“That would probably be the lowest rating show in prime time television EVER. Who watches politics shows? Older people. What are the older people watching? Strictly.
The Agenda at 7PM on a Saturday night would be absolute suicide.”
But anything you put against SCD doesn't do well in the ratings, Repeats of You Been Framed then?
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“Isn't that what people have Netflix etc. for? I'm even told that some people see films way in advance of TV by going to the cinema but I'm not sure I'm quite ready to believe that! Do films on ITV with all the ad breaks really do anything worthwhile ratings wise?”
“Isn't that what people have Netflix etc. for? I'm even told that some people see films way in advance of TV by going to the cinema but I'm not sure I'm quite ready to believe that! Do films on ITV with all the ad breaks really do anything worthwhile ratings wise?”
There was a film called Skyfall, featuring James Bond that pulled in 7.3m and concolidated to 8m on Christmas Eve 2014 on ITV.
There is Despicable Me that is still pulling in 1m on ITV2 despite being shown more than 20 times.
Harry Potters can still rate well on ITV when shown.
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“The days of TV Burp and ratings monster X Factor were pretty special looking back. Harry ended while he was still on a (relative) high though.”
“The days of TV Burp and ratings monster X Factor were pretty special looking back. Harry ended while he was still on a (relative) high though.”
Should also be mentioned that Harry Hill was close to Strictly in 2009 when they had a poor series in terms of a combined performance show and generally flat series. When Strictly revamped in 2010 it widened the gap with TV Burp which couldn't get near it.
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“But anything you put against SCD doesn't do well in the ratings, Repeats of You Been Framed then?”
“But anything you put against SCD doesn't do well in the ratings, Repeats of You Been Framed then?”
But H of De Vil is right - it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Something fails to rate against Strictly; they don't put so much money in the next show and it doesn't rate so they spend less on the next etc. etc. etc.
No one is expecting ITV to pull in 10m against it and match Strictly but 3m - 3.5m should be manageable. BBC One tends to manage it opposite Britain's Got Talent and I'm A Celebrity when they bother to turn up although admittedly both shows tend to skew slightly younger which makes it easier to compete against them. But it's not impossible for ITV to pull in an okay figure there; if the show bought in a million more I'm sure The X Factor would see an uplift - not by a million but maybe take it over that psychological 6m barrier.
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