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Old 24-10-2016, 10:08
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It's staggering how Strictly can boost the entire night on BBC One.

Better for X Factor. Also quite good for Tutankhamun, considering it's up against Poldark. Those who were watching both big dramas will have just switched to Poldark.
X Factor used to do that for ITV and was certainly more effective before the live shows started. Tutankhamen lost viewers because unlike Victoria it is poor. Poldark doing better but not to series 1 levels. BBC1 might as well leave it there next year as its getting solid numbers.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:11
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From rzt:

BBC One
Countryfile Autumn Special: 7.03m (37.1%)
Strictly Come Dancing: 9.92m (43.9%)
* peak: 10.60m (44.9%) at 19:55
Antiques Roadshow: 5.84m (25.3%)
Poldark: 5.04m (23.8%)

ITV (inc +1)
Celebrity Chase: 3.01m (13.8%)
The X Factor: 6.52m (28.3%)
* peak: 7.46m (30.8%) at 20:50
Tutunkhamun: 3.71m (17.5%)

Countryfile did well as always, Strictly up around 700k on last week and a good peak, Poldark did well and up on last week, X Factor solid on last week but down only 140k on last week and Tutunkhamun did fairly well, didn't drop to disastrous levels like I thought it would.

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The only way ITV are going to be able to manage ratings over 5m in that 7pm slot is if the soaps return here. The older viewers are so turned into switching to BBC1 from the news at 5pm and watching through until 9pm-10pm. That will be the only thing to challenge that slot on BBC1.

Commercial channels just cannot compete with the BBC schedule, particuarly if BBC1 has a big drama at 9pm (like earlier this year)

The Chase is holding up fine in that slot, given its having to go against an 8m+ build for SCD. TXF is doing fine also.

Tutankhamun dropped a bit, but still doing 'ok'.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:11
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TXF beaten again by Countryfile
Surely this is the story of the night again?
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:14
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X Factor used to do that for ITV and was certainly more effective before the live shows started. Tutankhamen lost viewers because unlike Victoria it is poor. Poldark doing better but not to series 1 levels. BBC1 might as well leave it there next year as its getting solid numbers.
I imagine Poldark will stay there, it's be quite difficult to move it unless it doesn't air on Sundays, so I imagine it'll be Poldark v Victoria again next Autumn.

Tutankhamun is doing better than I expected actually. Nothing particularly good but I honestly thought it'd be a disaster. It looks more like something that's been made for ITV Studios to flog around the world than to get particularly impressive audiences here. I've heard it's OK but nothing special.

Excellent for Strictly and up nicely year on year. OK for X Factor, pretty steady week on week and actually very slightly up on the same night last year (but that was Sunday judges houses so not a great comparison). The peak and average seem closer together this year which isn't surprising as in previous years the big part of the show with the judges vote and elimination took place around 8.50-8.55pm whereas this year because of the jukebox it is happening around 8.47-8.52 instead, so not in one 5 minute segment.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:15
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X Factor used to do that for ITV and was certainly more effective before the live shows started. Tutankhamen lost viewers because unlike Victoria it is poor. Poldark doing better but not to series 1 levels. BBC1 might as well leave it there next year as its getting solid numbers.
Tutankhamun was never going to be at the same level as Victoria. The Poldark fans watching Victoria first then Poldark will have turned over last week.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:20
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Thanks lewi and rzt

The only way ITV are going to be able to manage ratings over 5m in that 7pm slot is if the soaps return here. The older viewers are so turned into switching to BBC1 from the news at 5pm and watching through until 9pm-10pm. That will be the only thing to challenge that slot on BBC1.

Commercial channels just cannot compete with the BBC schedule, particuarly if BBC1 has a big drama at 9pm (like earlier this year)

The Chase is holding up fine in that slot, given its having to go against an 8m+ build for SCD. TXF is doing fine also.

Tutankhamun dropped a bit, but still doing 'ok'.
When you put on good, appealing programmes people will watch. Call The Midwife coming out of nowhere messed up a successful Dancing On Ice/Wild At Heart combo which ITV foolishly messed with. If X Factor was getting 8/9m, Sunday would be less of a problem for ITV. The return of I'm A Celebrity will sort Sunday out. Are we forgetting that Victoria beat Poldark or that Endeavour and Vera did well on Sundays at the turn of the year?
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:20
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One way ITV can boost X Factor next year:

7:00 Emmerdale
7:30 X Factor - The Results
8:30 Corrie
9:00 Victoria

Surely four of ITV's most popular programs will make for the ultimate Sunday night?
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:21
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Tutankhamun was never going to be at the same level as Victoria. The Poldark fans watching Victoria first then Poldark will have turned over last week.
Not that many have turned back. Around 5m for Poldark which is more or less what it has been getting in overnights this series.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:25
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And peaks show how much casual interest there is.
...and with commercial TV, how many are watching the actual programme without being affected by the exodus during ad breaks.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:27
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One way ITV can boost X Factor next year:

7:00 Emmerdale
7:30 X Factor - The Results
8:30 Corrie
9:00 Victoria

Surely four of ITV's most popular programs will make for the ultimate Sunday night?
It might for a bit until the Strictly results return. X Factor will never beat Strictly in a head to head for the now. The soaps would also need a blockbuster storyline each week to have a chance against Strictly.

The soaps are there for the taking. Facing factual is protecting them.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:28
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X Factor doing okay. Similar to last week with a slight dip in rating and share. The peak for the results won't be big until the final I'd imagine.

17/10/2016 - The X Factor: 6.66m (28.7%)
23/10/2016 - The X Factor: 6.52m (28.3%)
* peak: 7.46m (30.8%) at 20:50
It suggests 6.5m people have watched Saturday's XF before the Sunday one. You simply don't need to watch XF live and much of its target audience is out on a Saturday evening.

Having now watched Sunday's show, they made it quite clear during it that the wheel was genuine. The impression I got was that it was a coincidence. Considering XF has often not bothered with Halloween themes, it's perfectly possible. It does happen.

It's an old work rule after all, correlation is not causation.
And of course - it does not matter. The show itself was good again. After the poor first week they're starting to find their groove.

Great overnight for BBC 1. Nice to see Countryfile back above 7m. Only Bake Off and Strictly will beat that overnight in all likelihood.

Tut has held on to its viewers and you do wonder how HIM or the Level might have done in that slot. The Chase holding 3m is about all ITV can hope for on a Sunday.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:29
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...and with commercial TV, how many are watching the actual programme without being affected by the exodus during ad breaks.
And yet advertisers still pay to launch big campaigns in certain programmes as they get guaranteed eyeballs. Not everybody switches over en masse during them for Big programmes.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:30
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It might for a bit until the Strictly results return. X Factor will never beat Strictly in a head to head for the now. The soaps would also need a blockbuster storyline each week to have a chance against Strictly.

The soaps are there for the taking. Facing factual is protecting them.
I'd strongly disagree. I'm a soap fan, and don't even consider what else is on when the soaps are on. I'd hazard a guess that many are the same. People want to keep up with the latest developments, so don't miss episodes.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:37
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One way ITV can boost X Factor next year:

7:00 Emmerdale
7:30 X Factor - The Results
8:30 Corrie
9:00 Victoria

Surely four of ITV's most popular programs will make for the ultimate Sunday night?
Not even soaps can boost the crap factor.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:37
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BBC One have managed to build up a regular Sunday audience with a group of programs that work together very well.

ITV need to try and target a different audience, or do a Victoria and put some really good stuff up against BBC One.
Surprise Surprise followed by Big Shots/Magician/Time Next Year followed by drama would be similar. ITV doesn't have the huge 7pm show and really needs a big show on at 6:15 to counter Countryfile.

Have I mentioned bringing back Bullseye?!?

Let's not forget though, the BBC has Midwife to come and that'll win any battle. So Surprise Surprise would be better at 8pm as that's not got 5m potential.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:38
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When you put on good, appealing programmes people will watch. Call The Midwife coming out of nowhere messed up a successful Dancing On Ice/Wild At Heart combo which ITV foolishly messed with. If X Factor was getting 8/9m, Sunday would be less of a problem for ITV. The return of I'm A Celebrity will sort Sunday out. Are we forgetting that Victoria beat Poldark or that Endeavour and Vera did well on Sundays at the turn of the year?
I'm reffering to the 6pm.7pm slots where viewers just automatically drift to BBC1 on Sundays for News and Countryfile.

ITV news in the 6pm hour here is often under 2m. Whereas BBC News at 6pm is pushing 6m.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:48
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One way ITV can boost X Factor next year:

7:00 Emmerdale
7:30 X Factor - The Results
8:30 Corrie
9:00 Victoria

Surely four of ITV's most popular programs will make for the ultimate Sunday night?
One of the reasons people avoid ITV before 9pm is because of it being littered with soaps. Having soaps on at that time on a Sunday would be sad to see.

Those shows don't match up with XF very well. The soaps face easy competition on weekdays, I'd expect them to lose v Countryfile, SCD and Midwife. ITV might not want to risk that.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:49
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Looking back to 2013, Surprise Surprise was getting 4m against Strictly on Sundays at 7pm. X Factor was obviously stronger back then so I wouldn't expect it to match that now, but you'd think 3-3.5m would be achievable. Not sure why they haven't done a series this year, it generally gets decent ratings.

I notice on the ITV Press Centre that Off Their Rockers is down to return in a couple of weeks. Presumably it'll be on Sundays again, so not sure if it'll be The Next Great Magician at 6.30pm and Rockers at 7.30pm or Rockers at 6.30pm into Magician at 7pm. Either way I smell a flop. Might have been worth trying Rockers on Thursday at 8.30pm now Paul O'Grady has finished.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:56
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Surely this is the story of the night again?
But Countryfile gets the massive boost from Strictly viewers tuning in, so that's not a representative figure. The true average will still be very good, however.

I'd strongly disagree. I'm a soap fan, and don't even consider what else is on when the soaps are on. I'd hazard a guess that many are the same. People want to keep up with the latest developments, so don't miss episodes.
I agree with this, and I really want the soaps to return to Sundays, it would give a massive boost to the ITV schedule, it's just a no-brainer for me.

From rzt:

BBC One
Countryfile Autumn Special: 7.03m (37.1%)
Strictly Come Dancing: 9.92m (43.9%)
* peak: 10.60m (44.9%) at 19:55
Antiques Roadshow: 5.84m (25.3%)
Poldark: 5.04m (23.8%)

ITV (inc +1)
Celebrity Chase: 3.01m (13.8%)
The X Factor: 6.52m (28.3%)
* peak: 7.46m (30.8%) at 20:50
Tutunkhamun: 3.71m (17.5%)
Good night for BBC1, good to see Poldark back over 5 million. Better for the XFactor although that Tut rating is disappointing for me, I was expecting better and they had the audience following Victoria to win back.
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Old 24-10-2016, 10:59
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Looking back to 2013, Surprise Surprise was getting 4m against Strictly on Sundays at 7pm. X Factor was obviously stronger back then so I wouldn't expect it to match that now, but you'd think 3-3.5m would be achievable. Not sure why they haven't done a series this year, it generally gets decent ratings.

I notice on the ITV Press Centre that Off Their Rockers is down to return in a couple of weeks. Presumably it'll be on Sundays again, so not sure if it'll be The Next Great Magician at 6.30pm and Rockers at 7.30pm or Rockers at 6.30pm into Magician at 7pm. Either way I smell a flop. Might have been worth trying Rockers on Thursday at 8.30pm now Paul O'Grady has finished.
Surprise Surprise might be being held back because of MTP. They got the wrong way around and again it shows the problem of overuse of certain hosts.

Imagine some of those shows on a Tuesday. They could get viewers, sell adverts and do well. Instead they will be sent over the top to face the BBC's biggest guns.

It's not being 'anti-ITV' to say that it deserves to fail.
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Old 24-10-2016, 11:01
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I'd strongly disagree. I'm a soap fan, and don't even consider what else is on when the soaps are on. I'd hazard a guess that many are the same. People want to keep up with the latest developments, so don't miss episodes.
Just as some programming could be doing better against others, that's true for soaps too. They don't have any competition and for as many guaranteed viewers they bring to a channel I think they keep more away.

Unimaginative broadcasters rely on them more and more because they've been useless at finding anything else regularly. A mix of lazy scheduling and inept commissioning has effed up primetime TV in this country.
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Old 24-10-2016, 11:03
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From ITV Media:

Friday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not tape checked)

1 ITV - 07:00 PM Emmerdale 6.993m 37%
2 ITV - 07:30 PM Coronation Street 6.942m 35%
3 ITV - 08:30 PM Coronation Street 6.920m 33%
4 BBC One - 08:00 PM EastEnders 5.739m 29%
5 BBC One - 06:30 PM Regional News and Weather 5.044m 29%
6 BBC One - 06:00 PM BBC News at Six 4.754m 30%
7 BBC One - 09:00 PM Have I Got News for You 4.388m 21%
8 BBC One - 07:00 PM The One Show 3.608m 19%
9 BBC One - 10:00 PM BBC News at Ten 3.608m 21%
10 ITV - 06:30 PM ITV Evening News 3.418m 20%

Friday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not including the five main channels)

1 E4 - 07:00 PM Hollyoaks 559k 3.0%
2 ITV2 - 07:30 PM You've Been Framed! Gold 467k 2.4%
3 E4 - 06:30 PM The Big Bang Theory 400k 2.3%
4 ITV3 - 08:00 PM Rosemary and Thyme 393k 1.9%
5 ITV2 - 09:00 PM Final Destination 393k 2.2%
6 ITV3 - 09:00 PM Long Lost Family 392k 1.9%
7 E4 - 06:00 PM The Big Bang Theory 381k 2.4%
8 ITV2 - 11:05 PM Family Guy 372k 3.6%
9 ITV2 - 04:45 PM The Jeremy Kyle Show 365k 3.1%
10 Drama - 09:00 PM Father Brown 357k 1.7%
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Old 24-10-2016, 11:09
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One of the reasons people avoid ITV before 9pm is because of it being littered with soaps. Having soaps on at that time on a Sunday would be sad to see.

Those shows don't match up with XF very well. The soaps face easy competition on weekdays, I'd expect them to lose v Countryfile, SCD and Midwife. ITV might not want to risk that.
Unfortunately soaps are regular high performers. I'm almost certain Countryfile would lose out to the soaps. Both shows target the same older audience.
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Old 24-10-2016, 11:11
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Just as some programming could be doing better against others, that's true for soaps too. They don't have any competition and for as many guaranteed viewers they bring to a channel I think they keep more away.

Unimaginative broadcasters rely on them more and more because they've been useless at finding anything else regularly. A mix of lazy scheduling and inept commissioning has effed up primetime TV in this country.
I think you under-estimate how much soaps are valued in this country. They aren't just cheap, lazy filler filmed on a low budget in one indoor studio.
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Old 24-10-2016, 11:17
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Talking of scheduling, I see ITV have a repeat of For the Love of Dogs at 8:30 Thursday next week, does this mean they're repeating the whole series again just after it's finished? Even if it's another series still lazy scheduling.
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