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Old 24-10-2016, 12:42
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Snooker is more popular on TV to watch, Especially the final.
The BBC shows plenty of snooker too.
I believe the NFL ratings on sky are higher than snooker and tennis and compare to golf's. Only rugby, cricket, darts and soccer consistently do better.

Someone will correct me if that's wrong.
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Old 24-10-2016, 12:50
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I am just extending the Sunday argument to a Saturday.
I'd like E/CS to be on 7-8pm Monday to Friday and leave the rest of the evening to develop new shows. EE would go to 8pm and the BBC win by facing fewer soaps and owning the 8pm slot. No clashes and soap fans and non-soap fans know where they are.

Isn't going to happen and the soaps will keep bleeding viewers. They've got 10 years left in them still. That's a long time.
Oh I see. Sorry I misunderstood.

I think the problem with EE being at 8pm it could receive a knock from the viewers of Emmerdale who are watching on +1. I have thought this for a while with the Monday and Friday episodes just being down a little compared to the Tuesday and Thursday episodes. Not sure if there is anything in that theory though.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:13
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I am just extending the Sunday argument to a Saturday.
I'd like E/CS to be on 7-8pm Monday to Friday and leave the rest of the evening to develop new shows. EE would go to 8pm and the BBC win by facing fewer soaps and owning the 8pm slot. No clashes and soap fans and non-soap fans know where they are.

Isn't going to happen and the soaps will keep bleeding viewers. They've got 10 years left in them still. That's a long time.
Isn't a big part of the reason they have an extra episode of E/CS on at 8 or 8.30 to bring viewers back from BBC1 to ITV after EastEnders, in the hope that they will stay with them for the rest of the night? If they did what you suggest, BBC1 would have a huge advantage.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:26
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Some demographics for Saturday from the other place, data from rzt adapted by Doc 12

16-34
Strictly Come Dancing - 0.96m / 10% skew
The X Factor - 1.38m / 23% skew

65+
Strictly Come Dancing - 3.97m / 40% skew
The X Factor - 0.85m / 14% skew
Comparing to the same Saturday four years ago:

16-34
Strictly Come Dancing - 1.07m / 11% skew
The X Factor - 2.14m / 26% skew

65+
Strictly Come Dancing - 3.28m / 33% skew
The X Factor - 0.93m / 11% skew

Both shows have seen a rise in the average age of their viewers.

Whilst that's a bit of a non-issue for the BBC and Strictly, it's a growing problem for ITV who sell advertising on the basis of delivering lots of youngs in the run up to Christmas.

And whilst 1.4m is still a good number of 16-34s, it's not all that great compared to what X Factor used to get, or indeed other shows on ITV. For example, even a fairly ordinary rater in Total People like Take Me Out has been known to pull in 1.1m 16-34s in the past with viewing figures of not much more than 3m.

Now it may be that youngs are gradually disappearing on Saturdays due to lifestyle changes - some have speculated that the financial downturn in the late naughties contributed hugely to the growth of shows like X Factor, with many more people opting for nights in at the weekend - and whilst that theory sounds plausible to an extent, the size of the gap suggests there are other factors at play, such as the diminished appeal of increasingly stale schedules. And it's up to the broadcasters, especially ITV, to try and put that right in the coming years.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:27
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Data for week ending 16th October 2016 now available on BARB website

enjoy!

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Old 24-10-2016, 13:30
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Top Ten Most Watched Programmes w/e 16 October:
The Great British Bake Off - 13.26m
Strictly Come Dancing (Sat) - 11.21m
Coronation Street (Mon 1930) - 7.91m (7.79m exc. +1)
The Missing - 7.83m
The Apprentice - 7.40m
The X Factor (Sun) - 7.34m (7.04m exc. +1)
EastEnders (Mon) - 7.12m
Emmerdale (Thu 2000) - 7.00m (6.81m exc. +1)
Countryfile - 6.96m
Cold Feet - 6.45m (6.12m exc. +1)

Other notable ratings:
Strictly Come Dancing (Sun) - 9.86m
The X Factor (Sat) - 7.01m (6.63m exc. +1)
Poldark - 6.14m
Antiques Roadshow - 6.12m
Tutankhamun - 5.97m (5.54m exc. +1)
World Cup Qualifier: England v Slovenia - 5.56m (5.52m exc. +1)
Have I Got News for You - 5.54m
Casualty - 5.37m
Six O’Clock News (Mon) - 4.94m
Paul O’Grady: For the Love of Dogs - 4.82m (4.71m exc. +1)
Holby City - 4.36m
The Crystal Maze: SU2C Special - 4.31m (3.79m exc. +1)
Still Game - 4.19m
The One Show (Mon) - 4.06m
Ambulance - 4.04m
Gogglebox - 3.88m (3.28m exc. +1)
Paranoid - 3.80m (3.42m exc. +1)
National Treasure - 3.70m (3.47m exc. +1)
The Level - 3.52m (3.26m exc. +1)
The Fall - 3.06m
Victorian Slum - 3.01m
The Greatest Tomb on Earth: Secrets of Ancient China - 2.89m
The Great British Bake Off: An Extra Slice - 2.84m
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:30
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Data for week ending 16th October 2016 now available on BARB website

enjoy!

Thanks Mike.
Top Ten Most Watched Programmes w/e 16 October (updating):
The Great British Bake Off - 13.26m
Strictly Come Dancing (Sat) - 11.21m
Coronation Street (Mon 1930) - 7.91m (7.79m exc. +1)
The Missing - 7.83m
The Apprentice - 7.40m
The X Factor (Sun) - 7.34m (7.04m exc. +1)
EastEnders (Mon) - 7.12m
Emmerdale (Thu 2000) - 7.00m (6.81m exc. +1)
Countryfile - 6.96m
Cold Feet - 6.45m (6.12m exc. +1)
How does X Factor compare to the same point with live shows in 2015? Anyone? Strictly doing very well.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:31
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11.21M consolidated for Strictly on Week 4 of the competition is massive.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:34
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5.97m for Tutankhamun +1.47m
6.14m Poldark + 1.2m

POG Dogs 4.82m

Tut very close to Poldak there, and the latter is not even consolidating that much, which is suprising.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:34
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The Apprentice added roughly 1.8m. For a show that overnights not even 6m, that's a lot.

Wish the XF timeshifts were a bit higher though it has a natural disadvantage, being live.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:36
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5.97m for Tutankhamun +1.47m

POG Dogs 4.82m
Wow for POG Dogs. Amazing it's retaining it's popularity.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:38
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Wow for POG Dogs. Amazing it's retaining it's popularity.
Yes, its doing well, though I think down a little on last year. Last Thursday's 4.33m overnight should push 5m.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:38
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Bake Off really has topped out, high 10s overnight and low to mid 13s in the consolidated [bar the final obviously]. Every show has a limit after all.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:38
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Thanks Mike.
How does X Factor compare to the same point with live shows in 2015? Anyone? Strictly doing very well.
There wasn't a live show (or a show at all) on the same night in 2015. However, for the series as a whole up to and including last Sunday, X Factor is averaging 8.34m, which is down 5.0% on last year, which was averaging 8.78m up to the same calendar week.

Of course, the series was structured differently last year and there have been more episodes this year, but that gives you an idea.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:39
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Remember when a new Freeview channel appearing actually meant something? When channel launches used to be interesting?

BLAZE
Average daily reach 189,000
Weekly reach 712,000
Share 0.09%
No words do justice for just how bad those figures are for the first full week of a channel available FTA across the country.

Perhaps FREEZE would have been more honest branding?

Unfortunately Freeview is now overrun with these channels repeating the same few US made documentaries on loop. The last thing needed was yet another one. And so, it's a predictable flop.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:42
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Remember when a new Freeview channel appearing actually meant something? When channel launches used to be interesting?


No words do justice for just how bad those figures are for the first full week of a channel available FTA across the country.

Perhaps FREEZE would have been more honest branding?

Unfortunately Freeview is now overrun with these channels repeating the same few US made documentaries on loop. The last thing needed was yet another one. And so, it's a predictable flop.
I had no idea this channel even existed.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:45
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Comparing to the same Saturday four years ago:

16-34
Strictly Come Dancing - 1.07m / 11% skew
The X Factor - 2.14m / 26% skew

65+
Strictly Come Dancing - 3.28m / 33% skew
The X Factor - 0.93m / 11% skew

Both shows have seen a rise in the average age of their viewers.

Whilst that's a bit of a non-issue for the BBC and Strictly, it's a growing problem for ITV who sell advertising on the basis of delivering lots of youngs in the run up to Christmas.

And whilst 1.4m is still a good number of 16-34s, it's not all that great compared to what X Factor used to get, or indeed other shows on ITV. For example, even a fairly ordinary rater in Total People like Take Me Out has been known to pull in 1.1m 16-34s in the past with viewing figures of not much more than 3m.

Now it may be that youngs are gradually disappearing on Saturdays due to lifestyle changes - some have speculated that the financial downturn in the late naughties contributed hugely to the growth of shows like X Factor, with many more people opting for nights in at the weekend - and whilst that theory sounds plausible to an extent, the size of the gap suggests there are other factors at play, such as the diminished appeal of increasingly stale schedules. And it's up to the broadcasters, especially ITV, to try and put that right in the coming years.
I would imagine that the average age of the TV audience as a whole has increased slightly over the past 4 years, I can't imagine the average age of an X Factor or Strictly viewer has increased much, if at all, more than the average TV viewer across the board. X Factor had a 25% 16-34 skew last week, it will fluctuate very slightly week to week but I don't see the skew as an issue.

The total audience within that demographic has fallen of course, but that isn't a problem exclusive to 16-34s. You make a good point about Take Me Out, but that show is a very strong performer with 16-34s (and itself is down a bit on a few years ago). There aren't all that many shows that get over 1m 16-34s in the overnights these days.

I do agree though that the Autumn Saturday schedule on ITV needs a shake up. The current lineup isn't good enough.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:47
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There wasn't a live show (or a show at all) on the same night in 2015. However, for the series as a whole up to and including last Sunday, X Factor is averaging 8.34m, which is down 5.0% on last year, which was averaging 8.78m up to the same calendar week.

Of course, the series was structured differently last year and there have been more episodes this year, but that gives you an idea.
What I want to know is how does the consolidated ratings for live shows for week ending October 16th correspond to the live show ratings in 2015? So week 3 2016 live versus week 3 2015 live etc.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:49
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Yes, its doing well, though I think down a little on last year. Last Thursday's 4.33m overnight should push 5m.
Just proves ITV can provide hits in the gaps between the soap hours.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:51
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Top Ten Most Watched Programmes w/e 16 October:
The Great British Bake Off - 13.26m
Strictly Come Dancing (Sat) - 11.21m
Coronation Street (Mon 1930) - 7.91m (7.79m exc. +1)
The Missing - 7.83m
The Apprentice - 7.40m
The X Factor (Sun) - 7.34m (7.04m exc. +1)
EastEnders (Mon) - 7.12m
Emmerdale (Thu 2000) - 7.00m (6.81m exc. +1)
Countryfile - 6.96m
Cold Feet - 6.45m (6.12m exc. +1)

Other notable ratings:
Strictly Come Dancing (Sun) - 9.86m
The X Factor (Sat) - 7.01m (6.63m exc. +1)
Poldark - 6.14m
Antiques Roadshow - 6.12m
Tutankhamun - 5.97m (5.54m exc. +1)
World Cup Qualifier: England v Slovenia - 5.56m (5.52m exc. +1)
Have I Got News for You - 5.54m
Casualty - 5.37m
Six O’Clock News (Mon) - 4.94m
Paul O’Grady: For the Love of Dogs - 4.82m (4.71m exc. +1)
Holby City - 4.36m
The Crystal Maze: SU2C Special - 4.31m (3.79m exc. +1)
Still Game - 4.19m
The One Show (Mon) - 4.06m
Ambulance - 4.04m
Gogglebox - 3.88m (3.28m exc. +1)
Paranoid - 3.80m (3.42m exc. +1)
National Treasure - 3.70m (3.47m exc. +1)
The Level - 3.52m (3.26m exc. +1)
The Fall - 3.06m
Victorian Slum - 3.01m
The Greatest Tomb on Earth: Secrets of Ancient China - 2.89m
The Great British Bake Off: An Extra Slice - 2.84m
Thanks Lewie.

The Crystal Maze is going to be a series. Great start for The Victorian Slum, The Fall continuing to do well for BBC2.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:52
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Just proves ITV can provide hits in the gaps between the soap hours.
Just like they did when the soaps were on less.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:52
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I had no idea this channel even existed.
It's owned by A&E who run a few notable pay channels like History and Crime & Investigation, as well as Lifetime.

I guess the problem is two-fold: one; how on earth do A&E promote this channel effectively without spending a lot of money promoting on other networks - the audiences watching their pay channels will have precisely zero interest in watching a poorer version littered with really old episodes, and two; History itself is now absolute garbage compared to what it used to be like, so who on earth cares what they have to showcase from it? They could showcase stuff that was on History just a few months ago and I wouldn't care, because it has absolutely nothing of interest.

Discovery Channel is a bit like that as well. It's all car programmes most nights. Don't expect to find anything remotely worthwhile on there! It's got to the point where I no longer look, even though I know very occasionally they will have something of interest. I just get sick of seeing the same shows on the Programme Guide, the same shows they play pretty much every night, just in a slightly different order.

So sad what's happening to British television: the digital switchover promised so much but ultimately delivered very little. All these extra channels has just brought about a decline in quality, with the good content spread more thinly. Worse still, the audiences for the major channels and most significant investors in content have been hit. Oh how I wish we could go back to having fewer, better quality channels.
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Old 24-10-2016, 13:57
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Bake Off really has topped out, high 10s overnight and low to mid 13s in the consolidated [bar the final obviously]. Every show has a limit after all.
Every show has a limit. Britain's Got Talent's was in 2009, Strictly & X Factor's was in 2010, I'm A Celebrity's was in 2004.
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Old 24-10-2016, 14:04
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It's owned by A&E who run a few notable pay channels like History and Crime & Investigation, as well as Lifetime.

I guess the problem is two-fold: one; how on earth do A&E promote this channel effectively without spending a lot of money promoting on other networks - the audiences watching their pay channels will have precisely zero interest in watching a poorer version littered with really old episodes, and two; History itself is now absolute garbage compared to what it used to be like, so who on earth cares what they have to showcase from it? They could showcase stuff that was on History just a few months ago and I wouldn't care, because it has absolutely nothing of interest.

Discovery Channel is a bit like that as well. It's all car programmes most nights. Don't expect to find anything remotely worthwhile on there! It's got to the point where I no longer look, even though I know very occasionally they will have something of interest. I just get sick of seeing the same shows on the Programme Guide, the same shows they play pretty much every night, just in a slightly different order.

So sad what's happening to British television: the digital switchover promised so much but ultimately delivered very little. All these extra channels has just brought about a decline in quality, with the good content spread more thinly. Worse still, the audiences for the major channels and most significant investors in content have been hit. Oh how I wish we could go back to having fewer, better quality channels.
Yes I do agree with you.

Its a bit like the situation with ITV3 and ITV Encore. The introduction of the latter has rather knocked ITV3, and taken a lot of content that used to rate well: Downton Abbey, Vera, Endeavour etc.

There are so many rpt channels on TV now, they are basically watered down and piss poor. They deserve low ratings. Its just another way of making more money.

This is the situation I found on Saturday at 7pm when I sat down to watch something, skipping through the channels, there was literally othing. It all kind of merged into one bland list of rpt's. Then you have the main channels showing rpts, ITV showing a rather uninteresting dating show, SCD was the only noteable worthy programme.
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Old 24-10-2016, 14:05
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What I want to know is how does the consolidated ratings for live shows for week ending October 16th correspond to the live show ratings in 2015? So week 3 2016 live versus week 3 2015 live etc.
Week ending 16th October was live show 2. Live show 2 in 2015 (7th & 8th November) got 7.89m on Saturday and 7.70m on Sunday. Worth noting that was the joint highest Saturday live show of the series.

Every show has a limit. Britain's Got Talent's was in 2009, Strictly & X Factor's was in 2010, I'm A Celebrity's was in 2004.
Exactly. Although we thought I'm a Celebrity's limit was 2004, but the 2013 series beat it.
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