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The Crystal Maze is going to be a series..
Finally got around to watching it on Saturday and frankly wish I hadn't bothered. To say it paled in comparison to the original would be a major understatement. I know I probably sound like a right grump today, and I accept it was part of Stand Up to Cancer which is obviously for a good cause, but this was so dumbed down it wouldn't have looked out of place on the CBBC channel and ultimately just wasn't very entertaining. Rio Ferdinand struggling with basic puzzles was not fun for me. Huge ratings but no way on earth it would sustain anything like that number across a series IMHO. A bit like when TFI came back for a special which rated excellently, leading them to take it to series which was a complete and utter damp squib. I fear something similar will happen to Crystal Maze if they are not very careful. |
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Isn't a big part of the reason they have an extra episode of E/CS on at 8 or 8.30 to bring viewers back from BBC1 to ITV after EastEnders, in the hope that they will stay with them for the rest of the night? If they did what you suggest, BBC1 would have a huge advantage.
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Oh I see. Sorry I misunderstood.
I think the problem with EE being at 8pm it could receive a knock from the viewers of Emmerdale who are watching on +1. I have thought this for a while with the Monday and Friday episodes just being down a little compared to the Tuesday and Thursday episodes. Not sure if there is anything in that theory though. |
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From rzt:
BBC One Countryfile Autumn Special: 7.03m (37.1%) Strictly Come Dancing: 9.92m (43.9%) * peak: 10.60m (44.9%) at 19:55 Antiques Roadshow: 5.84m (25.3%) Poldark: 5.04m (23.8%) ITV (inc +1) Celebrity Chase: 3.01m (13.8%) The X Factor: 6.52m (28.3%) * peak: 7.46m (30.8%) at 20:50 Tutunkhamun: 3.71m (17.5%) Countryfile did well as always, Strictly up around 700k on last week and a good peak, Poldark did well and up on last week, X Factor solid on last week but down only 140k on last week and Tutunkhamun did fairly well, didn't drop to disastrous levels like I thought it would. And let the spinning/arguments commence. |
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Week ending 16th October was live show 2. Live show 2 in 2015 (7th & 8th November) got 7.89m on Saturday and 7.70m on Sunday. Worth noting that was the joint highest Saturday live show of the series.
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Exactly. Although we thought I'm a Celebrity's limit was 2004, but the 2013 series beat it.
Yes I was thinking about absolute peak ratings for these programmes. I wouldn't mind a peak year followed by consistent good years rather than several peaks and then a collapse.
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Top Ten Most Watched Programmes w/e 16 October:
The Great British Bake Off - 13.26m Strictly Come Dancing (Sat) - 11.21m Coronation Street (Mon 1930) - 7.91m (7.79m exc. +1) The Missing - 7.83m The Apprentice - 7.40m The X Factor (Sun) - 7.34m (7.04m exc. +1) EastEnders (Mon) - 7.12m Emmerdale (Thu 2000) - 7.00m (6.81m exc. +1) Countryfile - 6.96m Cold Feet - 6.45m (6.12m exc. +1) Other notable ratings: Strictly Come Dancing (Sun) - 9.86m The X Factor (Sat) - 7.01m (6.63m exc. +1) Poldark - 6.14m Antiques Roadshow - 6.12m Tutankhamun - 5.97m (5.54m exc. +1) World Cup Qualifier: England v Slovenia - 5.56m (5.52m exc. +1) Have I Got News for You - 5.54m Casualty - 5.37m Six O’Clock News (Mon) - 4.94m Paul O’Grady: For the Love of Dogs - 4.82m (4.71m exc. +1) Holby City - 4.36m The Crystal Maze: SU2C Special - 4.31m (3.79m exc. +1) Still Game - 4.19m The One Show (Mon) - 4.06m Ambulance - 4.04m Gogglebox - 3.88m (3.28m exc. +1) Paranoid - 3.80m (3.42m exc. +1) National Treasure - 3.70m (3.47m exc. +1) The Level - 3.52m (3.26m exc. +1) The Fall - 3.06m Victorian Slum - 3.01m The Greatest Tomb on Earth: Secrets of Ancient China - 2.89m The Great British Bake Off: An Extra Slice - 2.84m 300k watched XF on +1. 190k watched Emmerdale and 330k watched Cold Feet on +1. 430k watched Tut which is probably a lot to do with Poldark. Outside of Gogglebox the +1 audiences are pretty small. The idea that +1 is the difference between EE and E/CS is clearly fanciful. In fact, XF beat Countryfile even without +1. Sorry ADP. Apprentice beat XF with +1. Congratulations and commiserations to DanR. |
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So X Factor down on the same point as live shows last year and this weekend last year? Live shows are a problem.
Yes I was thinking about absolute peak ratings for these programmes. I wouldn't mind a peak year followed by consistent good years rather than several peaks and then a collapse. The shows are certainly better and here's an anecdote - my brother-in-law used to watch XF but stopped in recent years. He stumbled across it on Saturday and stayed with it though he didn't watch every act that intently. There was one act he did watch closely and that was the only act he'd heard of. That act was of course HollyG. She was the one he wanted to chat about and she's the one he wants to watch again. |
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From ITV Media:
Saturday Top 10 (inc.+1) 1 BBC One - 06:35 PM Strictly Come Dancing 9.778m 46% 10.07m (46.6%) tape checked (rzt) 2 ITV - 08:00 PM The X Factor 5.942m 29% 3 BBC One - 05:45 PM Pointless Celebrities 4.619m 28% 4 BBC One - 09:10 PM Casualty 4.211m 22% 5 BBC One - 08:20 PM The National Lottery 4.032m 20% 6 BBC One - 10:00 PM BBC News 3.947m 23% 7 ITV - 09:50 PM The Jonathan Ross Show 3.289m 20% 8 BBC One - 10:20 PM Match of the Day 2.761m 23% 9 ITV - 06:00 PM Tipping Point Lucky Stars 2.186m 12% 10 ITV - 10:55 PM ITV News & Weather 2.097m 17% BBC News at 5.25pm has been omitted Saturday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not including the five main channels) 1 ITV3 - 09:00 PM Lewis 715k 4.1% 2 BT Sport 1 - 05:00 PM Live Liverpool v West Brom 651k 3.7% 3 ITV3 - 08:00 PM Doc Martin 611k 2.9% 4 Sky Sports 1 - 11:30 AM Live: Football Special 503k 6.6% 5 ITV3 - 06:00 PM Midsomer Murders 448k 2.3% 6 BBC Four - 09:00 PM The Code 439k 2.2% 7 BBC Four - 08:00 PM The Incredible Human Journey 412k 2.0% 8 Drama - 09:00 PM Rebus 402k 2.2% 9 E4 - 09:00 PM Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter 387k 2.2% 10 Sky Sports 1 - 03:00 PM Gillette Soccer Saturday 381k 3.9% |
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From ITV Media:
Sunday Top 10 (inc. +1) 1 BBC One - 07:15 PM Strictly Come Dancing: The Results 9.650m 43% 9.92m (43.9%) tape checked 19:16-19:56 2 BBC One - 06:15 PM Countryfile Autumn Special 7.034m 37% 3 ITV - 08:00 PM The X Factor Results 6.520m 28% 4 BBC One - 08:00 PM Antiques Roadshow 5.826m 25% 5 BBC One - 09:00 PM Poldark 5.038m 24% 6 BBC One - 10:00 PM BBC News 4.603m 27% 7 BBC One - 05:50 PM BBC News 4.562m 28% 8 ITV - 09:00 PM Tutankhamun 3.712m 18% 9 ITV - 07:00 PM The Chase: Celebrity Special 3.086m 14% 10 BBC One - 10:30 PM Match of the Day 2 2.290m 20% Sunday Top 10 (inc. +1) (not including the five main channels) 1 Sky Sports 1 - 03:30 PM Live: Nissan Super Sunday 1.475m 10.3% 2 Sky Sports 1 - 12:30 PM Live: Nissan Super Sunday 828k 9.1% 3 Sky Sports F1 - 07:30 PM United States Grand Prix 598k 2.8% 4 ITV2 - 09:00 PM The Xtra Factor Live 573k 2.7% 5 BBC News - 08:00 AM Breakfast 498k 10.1% 6 Sky Sports 1 - 07:30 PM Live: US GP 2016 433k 2.0% 7 ITVBe - 10:00 PM The Only Way Is Essex 406k 2.7% 8 E4 - 06:15 PM The Big Bang Theory 405kk 2.2% 9 CBeebies - 09:00 AM Something Special - Out and About 398k 6.0% 10 Sky Sports F1 - 07:00 PM Live: United States GP Pit Lane 393k 1.9% |
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But that was as good as XF got last year. It was up a bit on last week so maybe it'll climb to 7.5m.
The shows are certainly better and here's an anecdote - my brother-in-law used to watch XF but stopped in recent years. He stumbled across it on Saturday and stayed with it though he didn't watch every act that intently. There was one act he did watch closely and that was the only act he'd heard of. That act was of course HollyG. She was the one he wanted to chat about and she's the one he wants to watch again. The shows might be better produced but I'm looking at the ratings. |
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Let's hope it's a lot better than the celebrity special, which was an absolute abomination as far as I'm concerned.
Finally got around to watching it on Saturday and frankly wish I hadn't bothered. To say it paled in comparison to the original would be a major understatement. I know I probably sound like a right grump today, and I accept it was part of Stand Up to Cancer which is obviously for a good cause, but this was so dumbed down it wouldn't have looked out of place on the CBBC channel and ultimately just wasn't very entertaining. Rio Ferdinand struggling with basic puzzles was not fun for me. Huge ratings but no way on earth it would sustain anything like that number across a series IMHO. A bit like when TFI came back for a special which rated excellently, leading them to take it to series which was a complete and utter damp squib. I fear something similar will happen to Crystal Maze if they are not very careful.
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X Factor might climb but Dan says we should base X Factor's yearly comparisons on corresponding periods of the show. Now we can base the 2016 live show consolidated rating to the 2015 consolidated rating as opposed to the corresponding weekend last year. I'm using his parameters.
The shows might be better produced but I'm looking at the ratings. |
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A very good weekend for sky's soccer ratings. BT did okay.
Cheers Ray. |
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The BBC shows plenty of snooker too.
I believe the NFL ratings on sky are higher than snooker and tennis and compare to golf's. Only rugby, cricket, darts and soccer consistently do better. Someone will correct me if that's wrong. |
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X Factor might climb but Dan says we should base X Factor's yearly comparisons on corresponding periods of the show. Now we can base the 2016 live show consolidated rating to the 2015 consolidated rating as opposed to the corresponding weekend last year. I'm using his parameters.
The shows might be better produced but I'm looking at the ratings. So far, the comparisons are: Auditions 2016 v 2015: 8.90m vs 8.79m (+1.3%) Middle stages* 2016 v 2015: 8.37m v 8.51m (-1.6%) Live shows 2016 v 2015 (so far): 7.33m v 7.59m (-3.4%) *By "middle stages" I mean bootcamp, 6 chair and judges houses. |
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So you are a cylon that does things by Dan's command.
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Inc +1 The X Factor - 5.76m (28.0%) *peak - 6.72m (33.1%) at 21:00 Quote:
Estimating a timshift of 27%, I make that number 7.3m, not very different from the other live weeks this year & last.
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It's all a bit tricky. From next week onwards comparisons will be easy as it'll be running a similar schedule to last year. The auditions were easy to compare too, but these last 5 weeks have been difficult. At the end of the series I'll compare each phase of the show vs last year which should be a good guide, but episode to episode ones are quite difficult. As you can do corresponding periods each week now but that becomes impossible later in the series.
So far, the comparisons are: Auditions 2016 v 2015: 8.90m vs 8.79m (+1.3%) Middle stages* 2016 v 2015: 8.37m v 8.51m (-1.6%) Live shows 2016 v 2015 (so far): 7.33m v 7.59m (-3.4%) *By "middle stages" I mean bootcamp, 6 chair and judges houses. |
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Half of the audience for BBC shows are OAPs then. The only ITV show they skew to is TP which is a show they know from daytime.
Clearly ITV need to build up more daily quizzes which they can sling celebrity versions against SCD, freeing up new programming for other slots. Does anyone know if those quizzes they tried, Alphabetical/Cash Trapped have been renewed? Rebound is on at 3pm now and that is the right idea though 20 episodes is not enough. All four channels seem to be searching for these shows. |
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Dan R is very inconsistent in his assessment of viewing figures, though. He lambasted The Voice when it sunk to 5.3m but vigorously defends X Factor's overnights which are now not much higher than that.
I'd rather not use his parameters when assessing its figures. Common sense as well as basic ratings knowledge tells me it's underperforming. But you say that and people make out you think it should be cancelled immediately, when of course the two things are really very different! Also, this whole subject of how much Cowell cares. I've absolutely no doubt he logs on at 9:45am every Sunday morning like the rest of us. He's a ratings nut, and the figures for this series will be hurting him, no question about that. For something like Pointless Celebrities to be producing a bigger peak tells its own story - good little show but not remotely in the same league as X Factor in terms of money spent and the broadcaster's expectation of it to perform. |
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It suggests 6.5m people have watched Saturday's XF before the Sunday one. You simply don't need to watch XF live and much of its target audience is out on a Saturday evening.
Don't buy the target audience going out on Saturday when they stayed in to watch the auditions, Judges' Houses and Six Chair Challenge sections in higher numbers. Quote:
Having now watched Sunday's show, they made it quite clear during it that the wheel was genuine. The impression I got was that it was a coincidence. Considering XF has often not bothered with Halloween themes, it's perfectly possible. It does happen.
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And of course - it does not matter. The show itself was good again. After the poor first week they're starting to find their groove.
And the ratings are still lower than earlier in the series because we've reached the live shows. Ratings dip every year for live shows now. It's a mystery.
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Why aren't people interested in the live shows anymore? That was the biggest thing about X Factor and TV for the week.
![]() The live shows have been well produced and enjoyable this year, but for many it's just a bit "been there, done that". |
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Dan R is very inconsistent in his assessment of viewing figures, though. He lambasted The Voice when it sunk to 5.3m but vigorously defends X Factor's overnights which are now not much higher than that.
I'd rather not use his parameters when assessing its figures. Common sense as well as basic ratings knowledge tells me it's underperforming. But you say that and people make out you think it should be cancelled immediately, when of course the two things are really very different! Also, this whole subject of how much Cowell cares. I've absolutely no doubt he logs on at 9:45am every Sunday morning like the rest of us. He's a ratings nut, and the figures for this series will be hurting him, no question about that. For something like Pointless Celebrities to be producing a bigger peak tells its own story - good little show but not remotely in the same league as X Factor in terms of money spent and the broadcaster's expectation of it to perform. |
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The X Factor, quite simply, started off so promisingly this year then royally f***ed it all up. The auditions were great. Well edited and structured, shot and paced. Proper old-school with a modern visual style. It was shaping up to be the best year since 2010.
Then came bootcamp which was over before it began, or so it seemed, but still went quite well. Six chairs is where it started to regress, with the ugliness and blatant fixing ("I have six chairs, so I'll put everyone through knowing full well the better acts are on their way so we can rip some poor person's dream apart in an arena of howling banshees"). It started feeling really fake at this point, and shifted from being vintage to more of the same old shit. By judges houses, it was a joke. Great acts being sent home, including those who had been edited to seem like clear live show contenders. Christian Burrows, whose audition got so much social media and reduced many to tears, sent home for odd choices like Ryan, who wasn't a patch on him; other girls who were promising being sent home. Sending through those silly gay guys, was a farce. Sending home Christopher Peyton, who was sensational, over someone like Relley C (who had barely featured prior, and was evicted last night), would have really rubbed people up the wrong way. Unfortunately these decisions and the clear falsity of it spilled over into the lives. The chicken boys left week one, Relley left last night, and I feel that there were several contenders who should have made the live shows based on their exposure through the auditions and bootcamp. The whole narrative was building nicely for several contestants, who were at the eleventh hour replaced with odd choices, some of whom who had barely featured in the aforementioned previous stages. The wheel of fortune which they insist is random but is clearly fixed (as shown last night with it landing on Fright Night for Halloween, as if by magic!) is just another nail in the coffin. It started off so well but the rot set in at six chairs, and the show died at judges houses. I doubt I'll bother with the series again - in terms of talent it's worse than last year's. Next year, extend bootcamp and ditch the six chair challenge, and put through to live shows the right acts - the ones who have been loved in the audition phases by viewers. Don't piss the viewers off by making ridiculous unfathomable choices at judges houses. And ditch the six chair challenge - yes it's a talking point but it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth, and ruins all the feel-good fun the previous stage cultivates. I would say most of the final 12 were the wrong choices, actually. Maybe 3 or 4 were right; around 8 or 9 who should have gone through based on the editing of the auditions and bootcamp, were sent home. That's what's killed this series - the ineptitude of the producers and the ruining of the 'journeys' of contestants which had been building nicely. |
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Dan R is very inconsistent in his assessment of viewing figures, though. He lambasted The Voice when it sunk to 5.3m but vigorously defends X Factor's overnights which are now not much higher than that.
I'd rather not use his parameters when assessing its figures. Common sense as well as basic ratings knowledge tells me it's underperforming. But you say that and people make out you think it should be cancelled immediately, when of course the two things are really very different! So. Let's see if Dan will accept that for this one week. |
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Dan R is very inconsistent in his assessment of viewing figures, though. He lambasted The Voice when it sunk to 5.3m but vigorously defends X Factor's overnights which are now not much higher than that.
I'd rather not use his parameters when assessing its figures. Common sense as well as basic ratings knowledge tells me it's underperforming. But you say that and people make out you think it should be cancelled immediately, when of course the two things are really very different! Also, this whole subject of how much Cowell cares. I've absolutely no doubt he logs on at 9:45am every Sunday morning like the rest of us. He's a ratings nut, and the figures for this series will be hurting him, no question about that. For something like Pointless Celebrities to be producing a bigger peak tells its own story - good little show but not remotely in the same league as X Factor in terms of money spent and the broadcaster's expectation of it to perform. I think that's fair though, there's no question that Cowell would like the figures to be higher, of course he would. They aren't down much on last year but after some promising early results I think they'd want them to be higher. I think they'd want Saturdays to be where Sundays are at least. It's not a disaster but he'll be underwhelmed. The strain doesn't seem to be showing on air this time at least, I remember it being noted a few times last year that he looked a bit rattled whilst on the show. I imagine having a 3 year deal sorted softens the blow somewhat, but it also adds the pressure of having to keep hold of decent numbers for 3 more years.Although that Pointless Celebrities story was rubbish from Richard Osman, it peaked at 6.4m in the final 5 minutes as viewers tuned in for Strictly. X Factor peaked at 6.9m, so no idea where he plucked that one from. |
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BBC1 very strong all night. ITV weak to very weak. Countryfile and SCD beat XF!
I wouldn't say ITV was very weak at all. Sort of good numbers by their standards these days.And of course SCD beat XF, no one expected any different. BBC1 is the all round faimly favourite on a Sunday evening now, just like it used to be ITV 15 years back. |
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I wouldn't say ITV was very weak at all. Sort of good numbers by their standards these days.