Do you think the press would leave it alone, or print endless stories about ITV's big new chat show only getting 400k on ITV2, so by the time it appears on main ITV, it's already damaged goods?

Flash pretty much bombed at the start of the new series in US. Lot of people seem to think that it jumped the shark with the 'shock' ending last time out.

Not sure what Doctor Strange, a Marvel hero, has to do with the price of beans!

Won't they? I think they'd already be a bit peeved at the proximity to Children In Need irrespective of any shenanigans with Bake-Off. It's a cutthroat business cherry-D, Don't assume anything.

Do you think they won't stick the knife in for making programmes that aren't for public consumption or find a way to reveal exactly what's happening in these closed sessions anyway? One closed pilot, maybe two for technical issues, fair enough. But 10 just looks ridiculous and suggests that they have no faith in the concept themselves. And as has been said, who the heck is going to make time in their schedule to do an interview that nobody ever gets to see?

Any more details please ?

Stripped does that nean it will be on every weeknight, what time ?

Presenter ?

Thanks

An unfortunate clash. Could well do some damage.

Handily, half-time will fall when Bake Off is wrapping up. So, that could help the peak figure a little bit.

Planet Earth 2 Sunday November 13 at 8pm (part 2)

Children In Need Rocks Monday November 14 8.30pm

Match of the Day fans will be pleased they wont have to wait for their programme on Festival of Remembrance night

The Mrs in the kitchen with the bread knife, you mean? Do they get Sky in casualty these days?

If it as the BBC they would stick the boot in for wasting money, but they will care less when it's ITV adding so.

Are the pilots still having a studio audience? So in that way it's no different than doing a theatre show or a corporate gig.

ITV must be serious about getting it right, rather than just letting it appear in an unpolished state and be written off two minutes into a 40 part run.

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you! Actually I couldn't cos nobody knows yet or if they do they're sworn to secrecy under pain of death (or presenting GMB which is obviously far worse!)

I'm predicting 14m for GBBO. It's watched by 13.5m every week so 14m overnight is possible.

I will post the Broadcast article later - don't know the presenters yet though.

Yes. Hardly click-bait material and 400k would be a cracking rating. Corden is only on sky catch-up. Businesses UAT products before they go live and ITV2 would be a very soft launch. It doesn't even have to keep the same title.

Thanks for not spoiling the ending as I've got three to see yet.
Strange plays to same fandom. The fact that it is Marvel won't matter to most. I doubt most people on here would know if Shazam was DC or Marvel and even fewer would care.

Interesting what you say about the US ratings. I need to watch these episodes soon.

Well I guess they could but I'm sure C4 will make up a £ amount of how much GBBO could make for charidee and ask why a PSB is "costing cancer charities"..... Etc etc etc

Very interesting to see how that fares with the primetime farewells of Bolt and (in a track sense) Mo Farah. The Worlds do carry weight and it will bring back memories of 2012. Decent sport in a non Olympic/Football summer.

Up against Coronation Street and I'm A Celebrity and moved from Thursday where it flopped last time out.

Radio 2 has also been plugging the return of the BBC Music Awards which also flopped last time out. Also destined for a Monday perhaps?

edit: Well, obviously they can't get Thursday because The Apprentice is on there. Duh!
BBC Music Awards could get a Wednesday slot in December as The Missing finishes at the end of November (and Watchdog could take a week off if necessary. Or the Awards could be the Wednesday before Christmas after Watchdog has finished.

Rather spiffy Sherlock trail just now on BBC1 - 1/1/17.

A lovely final episode of Bake Off.

Hope it does really well - even if it's just to make Love Productions realise what they're missing when they get lumbered with a sub 2m Channel 4 version.

Very clever bit of snook cocking, I thought. Look what we've got new tent owners!

Bake off was good, not as good as last year but I hope it leaves the BBC on a high

I think (but will probably be proven wrong) that Bake Off will overnight around 12.5m. The football is bound to knock a few viewers off the average, plus I do think

PS. My square brackets in the quote above just for amusement. But the trajectories very similar, fascinating really.

Yeah I'm thinking that now too. I didn't know the football was on until earlier this afternoon so could very well take some viewers away from it. Would still be marvellous to see a nice big figure tomorrow.

Why should they? I see this week that Emmerdale gets a preview on Thursday and Corrie gets a preview on Friday when there's something worth saying about them. Why write about them for the sake of it? Otherwise you may as well write about the news every week.


It wasn't slagging off ITV. It was slagging off a particular ITV programme.


I don't see the confusion here. The main point was that something a bit like Question Time might appeal to the Question Time audience, but they are already watching Question Time, and also, that is a big audience in the context of its slot, but a small audience compared to primetime ITV. It's also a far, far more established show where even if people don't watch it regularly, they at least know what it is. Most of the ITV audience have never watched The Agenda and don't know what it is, so aren't going to switch on in the first place.

And I say again, you watch telly in a different frame of mind at different times of the day. I find The Premier League Show a bit disappointing because at 10pm I was expecting something a bit different and more involved than Football Focus II. 8pm of just the most bizarre slot for this kind of programme - especially on ITV. You may as well put Sunday Politics at 8pm, see how well that does.

Also, I am fed up with taking issue with one particular programme being read as some kind of issue with a whole channel and the result of some kind of agenda.


Eh? They make loads of pilots nobody ever sees. I was reading The Guardian the other day and they were reporting on ITV doing a full-scale rehearsal of their racing coverage at Cheltenham the other day. They interviewed people, everything. And it's easy to get guests for a pilot, they can pull in plenty of favours. It also means they can film something to show TV critics - I remember when 8 Out Of 10 Cats started, the Radio Times and other publications talking it up based on an untransmitted pilot with David Walliams which was brilliant.

I don't know who would think it was ridiculous, they do it all the time. When Breakfast Time began they'd done three weeks of daily pilots to make sure everything was working. The Big Breakfast was another one. They do these things all the time.