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The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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H of De Vil
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“It's not the best is it.

Just when it appears to be showing some form of promise they instantly lose any form of momentum and ratings go down to low levels (by Corrie standards). It hard to think that just a few years ago (2013 to be precise), at this time of year, it was rating between 8-9m a night. Now it's down to 6m. It's sad how it's lost so many viewers and I do agree that under Blackburn it was mostly terrible. Kate Oates needs time to try and turn it around but with so many characters the viewers don't care about this will be a very tricky task. It's hard to imagine it ever getting back to normal as to do this will require drastic action, character and writing wise.”

It needs a complete clearout like SOC is doing with EE. Then sart afresh.

If you keep all these deadwood in the show trying to find storylines for them, it just creates a sea of dull drama with dull characters.

If I was producer, my first task would be to determine which characters have life left, and which need to be removed ASAP! Those characters exit storyline would collide in a big event (like the Tram Crash).
sunbeam007
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Well moving away from the more successful show is hardly a winning strategy is it?
And a decline over six years is totally different to losing almost a quarter of viewers in one year.”

Maing it an XF clone would be bad for TVUK and bad for XF. ITV didnt launch a new channel and then try to make it just like ITV. You differentiate to widen the net.
Andy23
27-10-2016
It's Peter Kay Night on Channel 5 this Sunday.

Following in BBC One's footsteps by showing programming using clips previously shown on Channel 4.

Shame that HIM hasn't done that great, as it was a bit different than usual.

And people seem to be banging on about The X Factor again. I thought midweek was safe.
Andy23
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“It needs a complete clearout like SOC is doing with EE. Then sart afresh.”

You are constantly saying that stuff should be cleared out, whether that's programmes axed, bemoaning mid raters being recomissioned or saying soap characters should be axed.

But do you not see how it is so hard to get something new off the ground. We see examples of this practically every day. New shows that people don't even notice, people gravitate towards the older tired shows, and in the case of soaps, new families are notoriously hard to get right. How many families have occupied the houses next to the Platts and have failed to gain traction. The Harris's, Sinbad's family, the Nasirs to some degree, the doctor who had an affair with Maxine and his wife, Plus of course there is the negative press of axing characters as some viewers will like them and it'll all add up.

You obviously are a risk taker, but I can't recall any big risks that have paid off on ITV. Dancing on Ice, GMTV, News at Ten, the list goes on. If I was in charge id be risk adverse. Probably like Peter Fincham
Baz_James
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by sw2963:
“People are catching up on drama more and more. The only must see drama perhaps would be Sherlock and that has dipped in quality and ratings has it not?”

I'm not quite sure how as, apart from the New Year Special, it hasn't actually been on screen for over two years!
Baz_James
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Anyone get the feeling there will almost be a protest at the Channel 4 'version' of Bake Off and C4 will be well and truly humiliated in the launch ratings and onwards? I have this feeling people won't even tune in for curiosity, not on the night anyway, and said their goodbyes yesterday!”

I'm simply boycotting C4 altogether after they cancelled 'Raised By Wolves' and pulled this ridiculous stunt with Bake-Off in the same year (not a coincidence I still believe). May they be infested with the fleas of a thousand camels!
tartan-belle
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“It needs a complete clearout like SOC is doing with EE. Then sart afresh.

If you keep all these deadwood in the show trying to find storylines for them, it just creates a sea of dull drama with dull characters.

If I was producer, my first task would be to determine which characters have life left, and which need to be removed ASAP! Those characters exit storyline would collide in a big event (like the Tram Crash).”

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Have you ever worked in a large organisation where people (at the top) want to change the org? It's so slow because it isn't just this new producer Oates but all the other people in the background - the writer's, the other producers and the actor's themselves. Contracts are involved, which i'm sure have clauses and again, it takes time.

Hopefully changes will be implemented and one day or week next year at some point, the changes will be seen and felt by the viewers.

I don't watch soaps myself, but I have been in jobs where management tried to change. It is almost impossible to do without support and time and getting people "on your side" or hiring people who share your vision. & you are still left with the people who still do it the old way!!

Think about it logically, it's all well and good saying you'd do X asap but what if you can't, ever or not yet or it costs money to buy them out of their contract?
Baz_James
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by davies88:
“So why are ITV even bothering then?

Trust me, I can't see why ITV wanted it anyway.”

If it's not replacing X-Factor I don't think anybody can.
H of De Vil
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“You are constantly saying that stuff should be cleared out, whether that's programmes axed, bemoaning mid raters being recomissioned or saying soap characters should be axed.

But do you not see how it is so hard to get something new off the ground. We see examples of this practically every day. New shows that people don't even notice, people gravitate towards the older tired shows, and in the case of soaps, new families are notoriously hard to get right. How many families have occupied the houses next to the Platts and have failed to gain traction. The Harris's, Sinbad's family, the Nasirs to some degree, the doctor who had an affair with Maxine and his wife, Plus of course there is the negative press of axing characters as some viewers will like them and it'll all add up.

You obviously are a risk taker, but I can't recall any big risks that have paid off on ITV. Dancing on Ice, GMTV, News at Ten, the list goes on. If I was in charge id be risk adverse. Probably like Peter Fincham ”

You don't need to announce actors exits. I think in Corrie's case, to create a talking point, create some surpise exits.

I'm not that much of a risk taker, but in Corrie's case, if you don't take risks, you'll likely keep trundling on with the same forumla - that clearly isn't working and loosing viewers in the process.

Can you honestly say Corrie doesn't ned a big shake up?

EE is axing characters left right and centre, I don't see much negative press.

With ITV, they can't afford to play safe 24/7 just because something might flop. Look at Downton Abbey - that was a risk spending millions on a drama when they were short of cash. Look at The Durrells. A new 8pm drama, where BBC is traditionally strong, and where ITV hadn't shown drama for a while (bar the 2hr dramas). But it was a hit.

As you say Peter Fincham didn't take many risks - though in his early years he did, he brought ITV back to a stronger position, but then latr into his tenure continued to bring back declining shows and with each return had diminishing ratings.

Obviously these risks are risks, and it can take time to get things off the ground - but if you don't try you won't succeed. You'll just be stuck with declining shows.

This new Chat show will be a big risk for ITV, but one they should be trying out. I'd rather this that continue with Jonathan Ross every year when his ratings have mostly be under 2m.

Obviously these risks need to be balenced out by safe decisions.
sunbeam007
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“If it's not replacing X-Factor I don't think anybody can.”

Because it could get 5-6m viewers for weeks and it deprives the BBC of that show. BGT and Takeaway and other shows all should benefit from no more clashes.
It should no longer scar XF if there is clear separation. It might even help other shows be successful.
Dizagaox
28-10-2016
EE is terrible at the moment, so let's not give weakminded executives any ideas...
cylon6
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“It needs a complete clearout like SOC is doing with EE. Then sart afresh.

If you keep all these deadwood in the show trying to find storylines for them, it just creates a sea of dull drama with dull characters.

If I was producer, my first task would be to determine which characters have life left, and which need to be removed ASAP! Those characters exit storyline would collide in a big event (like the Tram Crash).”

EastEnders has axed several characters but not replaced them with any new ones and there are others which are still there long past their best. Worst of all nothing is happening of any interest I've stopped watching it again as it's so dull.
gavin shipman
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“EastEnders has axed several characters but not replaced them with any new ones and there are others which are still there long past their best. Worst of all nothing is happening of any interest I've stopped watching it again as it's so dull.”

EastEnders is completely fine. It feels refreshed and natural. Corrie seems stale for me and none of the storylines are interesting. Toyah's return sounds good but EastEnders has really improved the feel of the show by writing and back to basics approach not silly unbelievable stunts like Corrie.
Ray Tings
28-10-2016
The Apprentice: 5.75m (27.3%)
Whoopie Doo
28-10-2016
The last producer totally messed EastEnders up. I actually turned off for a while when they decided to retcon all of Sharon and Den's history to suit the panto character Paul Nicholas was playing. I was still reeling from the stupid notion Kat somehow gave birth to a son she never knew about. The damage in this show is deep. It needed a quiet time to get its mojo back.

I wish the new guy would axe Danny Dyer too. I think the Carter's just don't have that X Factor to be front of house. Mick is a really weak character and its evident when you see the likes of Martin in his scenes. Mick is so one dimensional in comparison. The show really needs new exciting characters and fast.
Ray Tings
28-10-2016
The Fall: 2.05m (9.7%)
gavin shipman
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“The Apprentice: 5.75m (27.3%)”

Series High for The Apprentice. Great Series so far.
Ray Tings
28-10-2016
Autumnwatch: 2.35m (11.8%)
Dan R
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“The Apprentice: 5.75m (27.3%)”

Strong rating for it, up on the 5.59m for episode 4 last year! Should consolidate to 7.5m.
Score
28-10-2016
Very good for The Apprentice. Wonder if having the Bake Off special on before it helped?
Ray Tings
28-10-2016
Celebrity Juice: Halloween Special: 1.04m (6.7%) excluding +1
Ray Tings
28-10-2016
Hunted: 1.02m (4.8%) excluding +1
omnidirectional
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by Dizagaox:
“EE is terrible at the moment, so let's not give weakminded executives any ideas...”

It's incredibly dull, but looking at the soap forum some viewers are enjoying the focus on mundane everyday stories instead of sensational plots. Others believe it's just a temporary thing whilst they build up to new storylines, but that excuse was used throughout the Lorraine Newman era.
Ray Tings
28-10-2016
Paul O'Grady: For the Love of Dogs: 3.10m excluding HD / excluding +1
Last week: 3.51m exc. HD/exc. +1
Ray Tings
28-10-2016
Great British Menu: 1.78m (9.4%)
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