Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Xtra Factor rates terribly, doesn't it”
“Xtra Factor rates terribly, doesn't it”
And to think it used to get over a million.
The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Clearly somebody is taking note of ratings - Xtra Factor was trailed 10 minutes before the end of the show last night, and not right at the end. I guess they were hoping to catch people's interest before they switched off.
I'd just have Xtra Factor on a Sunday night. Or maybe have the Saturday show before the main show, giving you a preview of what's to come?”
“Clearly somebody is taking note of ratings - Xtra Factor was trailed 10 minutes before the end of the show last night, and not right at the end. I guess they were hoping to catch people's interest before they switched off.
I'd just have Xtra Factor on a Sunday night. Or maybe have the Saturday show before the main show, giving you a preview of what's to come?”
Yesterday's Xtra Factor was an absoulte mess; production was all over the place and - at least on the ITV Player repeat - it sounded like someone was talking over the interviews in the second part (yes I checked to see if I had any other windows open but I didn't). It's not going to bring in any more viewers with that kind of quality.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Yesterday's Xtra Factor was an absoulte mess; production was all over the place and - at least on the ITV Player repeat - it sounded like someone was talking over the interviews in the second part (yes I checked to see if I had any other windows open but I didn't). It's not going to bring in any more viewers with that kind of quality.”
“Yesterday's Xtra Factor was an absoulte mess; production was all over the place and - at least on the ITV Player repeat - it sounded like someone was talking over the interviews in the second part (yes I checked to see if I had any other windows open but I didn't). It's not going to bring in any more viewers with that kind of quality.”
It's getting the balance right. Xtra Factor's audience probably don't care so much about production qualities. If they could get a sort of 'anything goes' sense like Bit on the Side has, I think it would work for them.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“It;'s not about the quality of the show; it's about the rating. Not only did it start poorly, it's losing viewers week on week. The X Factor needs as much help as it can get now, both in terms of lead in and lead out. Strictly had a 4.8m in and 4.2m out; The X Factor had a 1.7m and a 2.9m out. Building a schedule cannot hurt - TV Burp proved that it isn't night on impossible to line up a show against Strictly which brings in a decent audience.”
“It;'s not about the quality of the show; it's about the rating. Not only did it start poorly, it's losing viewers week on week. The X Factor needs as much help as it can get now, both in terms of lead in and lead out. Strictly had a 4.8m in and 4.2m out; The X Factor had a 1.7m and a 2.9m out. Building a schedule cannot hurt - TV Burp proved that it isn't night on impossible to line up a show against Strictly which brings in a decent audience.”
But Burp was getting beat up by SCD after its revamp. Yes ITV need stronger shows (as does BBC1) but you can't launch new shows v BGT or SCD. New shows need building up over seasons.
BTW - by May 2003 Blind Date failed to get 3.5m viewers though it did top 6m earlier in its run. People also forget that Cilla replaced Duncan Norvelle as host.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“This is my big problem with OFCOM regulations - by stating that commercial networks should air a certain number of minutes of ads across primetime they're just encouargaing broadcasters to put all their eggs in one basket and overfill the big show. If OFCOM changed it to 15 minutes per hour maximum instead it'd force the channels to look at the bigger picture.”
“This is my big problem with OFCOM regulations - by stating that commercial networks should air a certain number of minutes of ads across primetime they're just encouargaing broadcasters to put all their eggs in one basket and overfill the big show. If OFCOM changed it to 15 minutes per hour maximum instead it'd force the channels to look at the bigger picture.”
PSB channels (iTV/C4/C5) are allowed an average of 8 minutes per hour at peak time, with a maximum of 12 minutes in any hour. They must never exceed 12 minutes, no matter how they schedule adverts in other hours.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...april-2016.pdf (section 4)
The Xtra Factor has never really got the hosts right after Caroline Flack - even the series with Konnie Huq ws averaging over 1m. But then again that was back when TXf was doing 14m.
But still. I really don't think Rylan is popular enough for a show on ITV2. On Ch5's BBBOTS I don't think he's that popular either.
I think The Xtra Factor could do with someone like Keith Lemon to shake it up a bit, or even Stephen Mulhern. He does so well on BGMT.
But still. I really don't think Rylan is popular enough for a show on ITV2. On Ch5's BBBOTS I don't think he's that popular either.
I think The Xtra Factor could do with someone like Keith Lemon to shake it up a bit, or even Stephen Mulhern. He does so well on BGMT.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“It's getting the balance right. Xtra Factor's audience probably don't care so much about production qualities. If they could get a sort of 'anything goes' sense like Bit on the Side has, I think it would work for them.”
“It's getting the balance right. Xtra Factor's audience probably don't care so much about production qualities. If they could get a sort of 'anything goes' sense like Bit on the Side has, I think it would work for them.”
It's probably a bit harder to do with Xrra Factor because X Factor itself is a family show.
Wasn't it last year where they scrapped the Saturday show altogether and only aired on Sundays? Maybe they should have just stuck with that.
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“PSB channels (iTV/C4/C5) are allowed an average of 8 minutes per hour at peak time, with a maximum of 12 minutes in any hour. They must never exceed 12 minutes, no matter how they schedule adverts in other hours.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...april-2016.pdf (section 4)”
“PSB channels (iTV/C4/C5) are allowed an average of 8 minutes per hour at peak time, with a maximum of 12 minutes in any hour. They must never exceed 12 minutes, no matter how they schedule adverts in other hours.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...april-2016.pdf (section 4)”
Thank you for that.
Primetime covers 6pm - 11pm which means they can have 40 minutes of adverts across that period to average out at 8 minutes per hour. With a maximum of 12 minutes in any given hour that means, for a two hour money making show, they can air over half of their adverts (24 minutes) in that slot alone, leaving just 16 minutes for the remaining three hours. If they altered it to say, eight minutes PER hour rather than eight minutes average across five it'd force the commercial channels to try across the board, rather than focusing on one or, at a pinch, two shows and forgetting about the rest.
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“But Burp was getting beat up by SCD after its revamp. Yes ITV need stronger shows (as does BBC1) but you can't launch new shows v BGT or SCD. New shows need building up over seasons.
BTW - by May 2003 Blind Date failed to get 3.5m viewers though it did top 6m earlier in its run. People also forget that Cilla replaced Duncan Norvelle as host.”
“But Burp was getting beat up by SCD after its revamp. Yes ITV need stronger shows (as does BBC1) but you can't launch new shows v BGT or SCD. New shows need building up over seasons.
BTW - by May 2003 Blind Date failed to get 3.5m viewers though it did top 6m earlier in its run. People also forget that Cilla replaced Duncan Norvelle as host.”
But also TV Burp started to fall a few years before it ended. When it was much less about tv clips and more about stupid sketches, which ruined it for me.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Gee, what a surprise to see you stick up for him.
You seem to post strikingly similar posts every Saturday, not quite ftv-level but not far off, talking about "live show fatigue" and comparing the XF ratings to the Voice. No, The Voice got 4.5m (and even a bit less) for its live shows.”
“Gee, what a surprise to see you stick up for him.
You seem to post strikingly similar posts every Saturday, not quite ftv-level but not far off, talking about "live show fatigue" and comparing the XF ratings to the Voice. No, The Voice got 4.5m (and even a bit less) for its live shows.”
Its not a question of sticking up for anyone, you criticise people for saying the same thing when you are almost insanely defensive where X Factor is concerned with nothing else ever getting a look in. Oh apart from The Apprentice, although that does seem to lose the battle for wallspace as far as posting is concerned.
The point is that the trend for talent shows in general is down. The public appetite for them is very much on the wane. Personally I think that now is far more a salient point than how XF dresses itself up or who is judging etc etc. Just to warn you I probably will say that again at some point if it seems relevant, but I wont make it my sole reason for existence on this thread, or for that matter a knee jerk reaction to any slightly negative post about a particular programme.
What i expected for both shows really, but jeez Xtra Factor does terribly. It does the same as the likes of Bit On The Side does when it was on 5* (never mind when BOTS is on C5!) is on at a later time! ITV2 and 5* shouldn't be comparable especially since ITV2 is bigger and comes off a show that gets more than Big brother does.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“The Xtra Factor has never really got the hosts right after Caroline Flack - even the series with Konnie Huq ws averaging over 1m. But then again that was back when TXf was doing 14m.
But still. I really don't think Rylan is popular enough for a show on ITV2. On Ch5's BBBOTS I don't think he's that popular either.
I think The Xtra Factor could do with someone like Keith Lemon to shake it up a bit, or even Stephen Mulhern. He does so well on BGMT.”
“The Xtra Factor has never really got the hosts right after Caroline Flack - even the series with Konnie Huq ws averaging over 1m. But then again that was back when TXf was doing 14m.
But still. I really don't think Rylan is popular enough for a show on ITV2. On Ch5's BBBOTS I don't think he's that popular either.
I think The Xtra Factor could do with someone like Keith Lemon to shake it up a bit, or even Stephen Mulhern. He does so well on BGMT.”
Is that the same Stephen Mulhern you are always criticising for being on everything?
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“PSB channels (iTV/C4/C5) are allowed an average of 8 minutes per hour at peak time, with a maximum of 12 minutes in any hour. They must never exceed 12 minutes, no matter how they schedule adverts in other hours.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...april-2016.pdf (section 4)”
“PSB channels (iTV/C4/C5) are allowed an average of 8 minutes per hour at peak time, with a maximum of 12 minutes in any hour. They must never exceed 12 minutes, no matter how they schedule adverts in other hours.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...april-2016.pdf (section 4)”
It's ridiculous. Just let the market decide. It's not like the current rules prevent advert breaks because all that happens is that you have 3 minutes of ITV teaser trailers.
Also when has 6-11pm been primetime in this country? The invisible hand would do a better job.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Is that the same Stephen Mulhern you are always criticising for being on everything?”
“Is that the same Stephen Mulhern you are always criticising for being on everything?”
I never criticised Stephen Mulhern for being on everything. I was replying to someone else who was, and I merely stated that perhaps he should choose his shows more carefully given most have flopped, which tarnishes his popularity.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Thank you for that.
Primetime covers 6pm - 11pm which means they can have 40 minutes of adverts across that period to average out at 8 minutes per hour. With a maximum of 12 minutes in any given hour that means, for a two hour money making show, they can air over half of their adverts (24 minutes) in that slot alone, leaving just 16 minutes for the remaining three hours. If they altered it to say, eight minutes PER hour rather than eight minutes average across five it'd force the commercial channels to try across the board, rather than focusing on one or, at a pinch, two shows and forgetting about the rest.”
“Thank you for that.
Primetime covers 6pm - 11pm which means they can have 40 minutes of adverts across that period to average out at 8 minutes per hour. With a maximum of 12 minutes in any given hour that means, for a two hour money making show, they can air over half of their adverts (24 minutes) in that slot alone, leaving just 16 minutes for the remaining three hours. If they altered it to say, eight minutes PER hour rather than eight minutes average across five it'd force the commercial channels to try across the board, rather than focusing on one or, at a pinch, two shows and forgetting about the rest.”
Thanks for doing the maths.
I think ITV ran ads at 7:45 and 7:56ish and then I assume 10 minutes of adverts between 10-11 during Ross.
For all of the reasons you said, an awful system for British TV. Just allow 10 minutes per hour and charge accordingly. Supply and demand will fix the rest.
Originally Posted by omnidirectional:
“PSB channels (iTV/C4/C5) are allowed an average of 8 minutes per hour at peak time, with a maximum of 12 minutes in any hour. They must never exceed 12 minutes, no matter how they schedule adverts in other hours.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...april-2016.pdf (section 4)”
“PSB channels (iTV/C4/C5) are allowed an average of 8 minutes per hour at peak time, with a maximum of 12 minutes in any hour. They must never exceed 12 minutes, no matter how they schedule adverts in other hours.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/asse...april-2016.pdf (section 4)”
Answered while I was doing the maths!
Originally Posted by RickLopez:
“From Steve Williams:
Lottery 4.18m
Casualty 4.43m
MOTD 3.55m
Dad's Army 1.77m
The Code 270k
Exc+1:
Meet the Parents 1.23m -HD
X Factor 4.03m -HD
Xtra Factor 230k
Ross 1.99m -HD
How to Build A Human 940k
Catsdown 860k
Football on 5 Pt 1 530k”
“From Steve Williams:
Lottery 4.18m
Casualty 4.43m
MOTD 3.55m
Dad's Army 1.77m
The Code 270k
Exc+1:
Meet the Parents 1.23m -HD
X Factor 4.03m -HD
Xtra Factor 230k
Ross 1.99m -HD
How to Build A Human 940k
Catsdown 860k
Football on 5 Pt 1 530k”
More solidity on BBC1, Casualty (and indeed Holby) doing ok at the moment.
This Tuesday night ITV are filming a two hour World of Sport wrestling special in Manchester. Jim Ross is flying over to lead the announcing. Ross confirmed on his podcast that the air date isn't known yet and it is being seen as a pilot.
Two hour special smells like Xmas.
Two hour special smells like Xmas.
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“More solidity on BBC1, Casualty (and indeed Holby) doing ok at the moment.”
“More solidity on BBC1, Casualty (and indeed Holby) doing ok at the moment.”
Also so much better for the Lottery, Who Dares Wins is much more popular than 5 star.
Originally Posted by sw2963:
“Like I said last week there is a dearth of entertainers that can pull audiences in regardless of the format compared to the 70/80s.
Will most people sit down (against all odds) to a format presented by the likes of ITV-alumni Christine Lampard, Holly Willoughby and Ben Shephard?
Bradley Walsh is the only one I can think of and he struggles with the variety format and Celebrity Chase. His family gameshow with Cowell was fine maybe if on BBC it would have done better.
Michael McIntyre's Big Show did moderately well for the time of year but wasn't a live show.
Give CBBC's Sam & Mark a breakthrough mainstream show I say. Just some thought away from XF/SCD
”
“Like I said last week there is a dearth of entertainers that can pull audiences in regardless of the format compared to the 70/80s.
Will most people sit down (against all odds) to a format presented by the likes of ITV-alumni Christine Lampard, Holly Willoughby and Ben Shephard?
Bradley Walsh is the only one I can think of and he struggles with the variety format and Celebrity Chase. His family gameshow with Cowell was fine maybe if on BBC it would have done better.
Michael McIntyre's Big Show did moderately well for the time of year but wasn't a live show.
Give CBBC's Sam & Mark a breakthrough mainstream show I say. Just some thought away from XF/SCD
”
Sam and Mark should really have been tested in prime time by now.There very likeable,I don't know why the Beeb still has them tucked away on CBBC.They haven't exactly got masses of talent in there schedule.
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“But Burp was getting beat up by SCD after its revamp. Yes ITV need stronger shows (as does BBC1) but you can't launch new shows v BGT or SCD. New shows need building up over seasons.
BTW - by May 2003 Blind Date failed to get 3.5m viewers though it did top 6m earlier in its run. People also forget that Cilla replaced Duncan Norvelle as host.”
“But Burp was getting beat up by SCD after its revamp. Yes ITV need stronger shows (as does BBC1) but you can't launch new shows v BGT or SCD. New shows need building up over seasons.
BTW - by May 2003 Blind Date failed to get 3.5m viewers though it did top 6m earlier in its run. People also forget that Cilla replaced Duncan Norvelle as host.”
Originally Posted by davies88:
“But also TV Burp started to fall a few years before it ended. When it was much less about tv clips and more about stupid sketches, which ruined it for me.”
“But also TV Burp started to fall a few years before it ended. When it was much less about tv clips and more about stupid sketches, which ruined it for me.”
It was starting to fall but it was rating a damnsight better than 1.7m!
Originally Posted by robbaza:
“Sam and Mark should really have been tested in prime time by now.There very likeable,I don't know why the Beeb still has them tucked away on CBBC.They haven't exactly got masses of talent in there schedule.”
“Sam and Mark should really have been tested in prime time by now.There very likeable,I don't know why the Beeb still has them tucked away on CBBC.They haven't exactly got masses of talent in there schedule.”
I don't know hwy Sam and Mark haven't been pushed forward more to be honest. Is there a fear that people would just dismiss them as a rip off Ant and Dec? They're likeable and have an ease about them on TV from what I've seen.
Plus Sam and Mark have the advantage of being Pop Idol rejects as opposed to XF rejects, where the former is seen more fondly than being linked with XF.
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“It's ridiculous. Just let the market decide. It's not like the current rules prevent advert breaks because all that happens is that you have 3 minutes of ITV teaser trailers.
Also when has 6-11pm been primetime in this country? The invisible hand would do a better job.”
“It's ridiculous. Just let the market decide. It's not like the current rules prevent advert breaks because all that happens is that you have 3 minutes of ITV teaser trailers.
Also when has 6-11pm been primetime in this country? The invisible hand would do a better job.”
It works well during the week, because it means the news, both at 6pm and 10pm airs mostly advert free. It only looks obvious at weekends.
I believe these rules only apply to PSB channels, the others have more relaxed rules.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“It was strating to fall but it was rating a damnsight better than 1.7m!
I don't know hwy Sam and Mark haven't been pushed forward more to be honest. Is there a fear that people would just dismiss them as a rip off Ant and Dec? They're likeable and have an ease about them on TV from what I've seen.”
“It was strating to fall but it was rating a damnsight better than 1.7m!
I don't know hwy Sam and Mark haven't been pushed forward more to be honest. Is there a fear that people would just dismiss them as a rip off Ant and Dec? They're likeable and have an ease about them on TV from what I've seen.”
I suppose its getting the right vehicle. Dick and Dom had that Ask the Family fiasco and have never dipped their toes in prime time again as far as I can recall-although have just celebrated 20 worthy years on CBBC.
I don't know much about Sam and Mark and I think the problem is that CBBC is so tucked away its hard to build an image to transfer. Ant and Dec did that so well on SMTv and indeed all the way back to Byker Grove on the main channels.
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