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Old 31-10-2016, 15:46
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SCD continues at great levels Poldark really doing well - it was great drama last night, very consistent. Oh My on X Factor. Viewers have really fallen out with it. Quite dire, more Fix claims from last nights show. They seem to ignore the PR disaster of this series.
You're either purposely misunderstanding how websites work or you're somewhat hard of thinking. I'm not sure which.

A few mardy people tweeting they don't like who was sent home doesn't constitute a fix. If it did, Strictly would be fixed too. Websites run the story because it is click-bait and the XF is still the best click-bait because it draws younger viewers. Capiche?

TBF to you, at least you're not biased to the BBC since you also praised ITV's Poldark.
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Old 31-10-2016, 15:47
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Yeah, this is why i don't buy the "30 million people watched Den hand Angie the divorce papers". Just because they combined the original episode of 19m with the omnibus which got 11m.

So it then becomes by default the most watched scripted broadcast in British tv history. Really we all know it was Hilda Ogden's final episode.
I agree with you
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Old 31-10-2016, 15:56
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Yeah, this is why i don't buy the "30 million people watched Den hand Angie the divorce papers". Just because they combined the original episode of 19m with the omnibus which got 11m.

So it then becomes by default the most watched scripted broadcast in British tv history. Really we all know it was Hilda Ogden's final episode.
I'd put an asterisk against any rating at Xmas. They deserve their own category really as ratings tended to be huge, especially on BBC1.

I don't know if it was the most watched scripted programme or not but for me nothing compares to Who Shot JR and nothing ever will. We watched the whole of Dallas of CBS Drama recently and those early seasons are still stunning and better than any drama around today. Binge TV perfected before it existed.
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Old 31-10-2016, 15:57
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Consolidated to over 5m. ITV wishes that was disaster level.
I agree, I don't think you can call Tut a disaster.

Great for Strictly last night and nice to see Poldark rise.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:11
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Dreadful for X Factor, not even over 6m without +1.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:12
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Consolidated to over 5m. ITV wishes that was disaster level.
ITV don't care about consolidated figures as much as ratings enthusiasts do.

Low 3's for a big budget ITV drama in the Sunday 9pm slot in the overnights at this time of year is 100% a disaster in my book. What they needed post Downton was solid dependables but they are a long long way from that with Tut.

Not to mention the fact it was widely panned as well which hurts them a little reputation wise in the short term.

Apart from all that, I'm sure they are absolutely over the moon with how it's gone.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:19
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ITV don't care about consolidated figures as much as ratings enthusiasts do.

Low 3's for a big budget ITV drama in the Sunday 9pm slot in the overnights at this time of year is 100% a disaster in my book. What they needed post Downton was solid dependables but they are a long long way from that with Tut.

Not to mention the fact it was widely panned as well which hurts them a little reputation wise in the short term.

Apart from all that, I'm sure they are absolutely over the moon with how it's gone.
I'm sure ITV would have preferred to keep rolling out Downtown every year, with each series continuing to fall in popularity, and basically drag it out to it's death. Because it's basically what they are doing with XF right?

History tells us with American Idol, that these shows always reach their peak then it's a slow painful death, and people even get sick of Simon eventuslly, or at least the novelty wears off.

I know XF is churning a profit still, but they are in the long term damagaing BGT in the process - a show that keeps ITV's summers from drowning.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:21
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I agree, I don't think you can call Tut a disaster.

Great for Strictly last night and nice to see Poldark rise.
You're right. After all, It's only 4.5m down on Downton Abbey in that slot last year. One wonders how much ground ITV needed to lose there for it to be considered a bit of a problem by the majority in the Ratings Thread.

Of course you can't replace a show like Downton, and it was always going to be a difficult year to some extent, but they could and should be doing an awful lot better than they have with Tut. An important slot has been wasted on absolute rubbish that isn't getting watched by a sufficient number of viewers on the most relevant measure of audience to ITV, so in what way could it be considered a success?

It's even more paramount with X Factor's decline showing no signs of stopping that ITV get back to basics on Sunday nights with the sort of dramas they used to dominate the night with. Lygo talks a good game, now let's see if he can deliver in the coming months and get them back to where they need to be.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:26
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Yeah, this is why i don't buy the "30 million people watched Den hand Angie the divorce papers". Just because they combined the original episode of 19m with the omnibus which got 11m.

So it then becomes by default the most watched scripted broadcast in British tv history. Really we all know it was Hilda Ogden's final episode.
Hilda Ogdens final episode rating also includes a omnibus you know
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:28
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Series 2 has been pretty good so far.

And as you seem to realise a 26 part series 3 has already been commissioned.

Sadly, the one they made a big fuss of as the pilot for the big relaunch was pretty much the worst episode they have made. And it probably caused a lot of people not to bother and so miss how much better it became.
I think it'll be around for 5 seasons, and then the same team will move onto another series.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:29
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You're right. After all, It's only 4.5m down on Downton Abbey in that slot last year. One wonders how much ground ITV needed to lose there for it to be considered a bit of a problem by the majority in the Ratings Thread.

Of course you can't replace a show like Downton, and it was always going to be a difficult year to some extent, but they could and should be doing an awful lot better than they have with Tut. An important slot has been wasted on absolute rubbish that isn't getting watched by a sufficient number of viewers on the most relevant measure of audience to ITV, so in what way could it be considered a success?

It's even more paramount with X Factor's decline showing no signs of stopping that ITV get back to basics on Sunday nights with the sort of dramas they used to dominate the night with. Lygo talks a good game, now let's see if he can deliver in the coming months and get them back to where they need to be.
I didn't say it was a success, I think it's disappointing. But it's not a disaster. A disaster is 800k on a Tuesday night.

Of course they should be doing better on a Sunday night but I think the fact that they have a returnable series in Victoria which was a success means their Sundays have been better this autumn than what was feared after Downton.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:30
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ITV don't care about consolidated figures as much as ratings enthusiasts do.

Low 3's for a big budget ITV drama in the Sunday 9pm slot in the overnights at this time of year is 100% a disaster in my book. What they needed post Downton was solid dependables but they are a long long way from that with Tut.

Not to mention the fact it was widely panned as well which hurts them a little reputation wise in the short term.

Apart from all that, I'm sure they are absolutely over the moon with how it's gone.
No, ITV does care about consolidated because it goes to the success of the show. This all helps for sponsorship, product placement and international sales.

International sales was clearly a huge driver for it.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:38
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That ratings turnabout for The Mike Yarwood Show makes you wonder what would have happened to his career had it been always recognised as the biggest success ever.

Would he have had more chance of becoming a legend rather than disappearing off the face of the Earth.

In his day he was really popular in a way few who were not around 30/40 years ago will realise.

As he hails from my home town (Stockport) I always thought he has been underrated. Though he suffered from some problems that would never have seen him match the likes of Morecambe and Wise or The Two Ronnies - as in being an impressionist who depended on celebrities of his day - not being really an all round entertainer - or turned into one by TV.

Then, of course, his battles with alcohol, heart attack and depression.

He has made occasional appearances - such as hosting Have I Got News For You? many moons ago.

Even today he is only 75.

But would his number one show of all time ratings status have been enough to get someone to steer his career in the right direction to take advantage?
Yarwood's shows were hugely expensive because of the make-up for his characters and studio time (Stanley Baxter found he had the same problem at LWT).M & W were the BBC's golden boys who could come in, record a few minutes with a full studio crew in TC1, and go home.Bill Cotton was usually on the studio floor during recording chatting to the camera crews.As Bill once said, when the BBC had M & W it was like standing on Everest looking down on everyone else.
Yarwood definitely deserves respect for his TV achievements. His ratings were at the level of Morecambe and Wise, The Two Ronnies, Stanley Baxter and often could be higher. A shame his shows won't be seen apart from in clip shows. The rise of alternative comedy with satire in impressions hurt him as he didn't want to do that. Then there was his alcoholism too.

Stanley Baxter's shows at that time were very expensive and John Birt coming into LWT put a stop to that. So Stanley returned to the BBC and was axed again due to budgets....shortly after John Birt became Director General! Unlucky son!

Eric & Ernie were the golden boys but Cotton had a lot of time for his light entertainment stars that delivered like Bruce on The Gen Game, Yarwood and The Two Ronnies. Eric & Ernie had a few pre-recorded sketches during some of their shows as well as Yarwood. Yarwood did more recorded segments at Thames and he said he hated it as he couldn't interact with an audience. Cost wasn't the reason Mike Yarwood left the BBC for Thames, it was more money.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:39
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Tomorrow's Radio Times giving away free Netflix subscriptions to ALL readers (includes Netflix members)

My Mother and Other Strangers confirmed for Sundays at 9pm starting on November 13

BBC Schedules now being confirmed early in the run up to Christmas
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:40
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No, ITV does care about consolidated because it goes to the success of the show. This all helps for sponsorship, product placement and international sales.

International sales was clearly a huge driver for it.
Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised to see it on Netflix soon. Apparently 'Paranoid' is a Netflix co-production, so ITV and Netflix have been working together.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:43
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Not great for Humans but it's too early to call series 2 a flop. The marketing they did last year for it was genius and lead to a huge amount of curiosity from viewers. It seemed to settle at 2-3m overnight for the later episodes didn't it? Drama always timeshifts loads anyway, let's see where it ends up there. And starting late may have dented it, who knows.

ITV don't care about consolidated figures as much as ratings enthusiasts do..
That's an inaccuracy. When shows are adding 25, 30, 40, 50%+ through timeshift, of course they care.

Officials w/e 23 Oct 2016
13. The Apprentice (Thu, 9pm, BBC1) - 7.37m
So that's over 2 million on timeshift, a 39% increase on the 5.3m overnight. Phenomenal.

Officials w/e 23 Oct 2016
2. Strictly Come Dancing (Sat, 6.30pm, BBC1) - 11.21m
3. Strictly Come Dancing Results (Sun, 7.15pm, BBC1) - 10.51m
=. The X Factor Results (Sun, 8pm, ITV) - 7.22m
18. The X Factor (Sat, 8pm, ITV) - 7.12m
None of the other talent shows seem to timeshift anywhere near BGT's level. The variety behemoth was adding 28% to its overnight in certain cases, SCD is adding 11% for its performance show and XF 19/20%. Tbf the results are never going to add much so that's fine.

XF should definitely be doing better. The least it should be doing is mid/high 7s, just scraping 7 consolidated isn't good enough at all. Still higher than The Voice though, the final of which only just scraped 5m consolidated!

Dreadful for X Factor, not even over 6m without +1.
It's been that way for much of the series, no need for the OTT response.

6.22m (25.3%) for X Factor.
Not great but not entirely surprising. The results shows are pretty farcical nowadays, and feel pointless. I had lots to be done last night home and job-wise so prioritised that over watching Louisa Johnson make her not-so-big comeback. I caught up on everything from the show in two minutes online.

The Saturday shows are still worth watching, particularly after 3+ glasses of wine when in a happy place. But I often think back to 2014 and how much more spectacularly-produced the live shows were. It felt like a proper & exciting show, not drunken entertainment like it is now.
What a difference two years makes.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:48
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Emmerdale 8m for that Friday of their big week. Only 700k from Corrie's highest rating ep that week. And 700k above EE.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:55
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That's an inaccuracy. When shows are adding 25, 30, 40, 50%+ through timeshift, of course they care.
"ITV don't care as much..."
"That's an inaccuracy...of course they care."

*sighs*
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:56
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Not great for Humans but it's too early to call series 2 a flop. The marketing they did last year for it was genius and lead to a huge amount of curiosity from viewers. It seemed to settle at 2-3m overnight for the later episodes didn't it? Drama always timeshifts loads anyway, let's see where it ends up there. And starting late may have dented it, who knows.


That's an inaccuracy. When shows are adding 25, 30, 40, 50%+ through timeshift, of course they care.


So that's over 2 million on timeshift, a 39% increase on the 5.3m overnight. Phenomenal.


None of the other talent shows seem to timeshift anywhere near BGT's level. The variety behemoth was adding 28% to its overnight in certain cases, SCD is adding 11% for its performance show and XF 19/20%. Tbf the results are never going to add much so that's fine.

XF should definitely be doing better. The least it should be doing is mid/high 7s, just scraping 7 consolidated isn't good enough at all. Still higher than The Voice though, the final of which only just scraped 5m consolidated!


It's been that way for much of the series, no need for OTT response.


Not great but not entirely surprising. The results shows are pretty farcical nowadays, and feel pointless. I had lots to be done last night home and job-wise so prioritised that over watching Louisa Johnson make her not-so-big comeback. I caught up on everything from the show in two minutes online.

The Saturday shows are still worth watching, particularly after 3+ glasses of wine when in a happy place. But I often think back to 2014 and how much more spectacularly-produced the live shows were. It felt like a proper & exciting show, not drunken entertainment like it is now.
What a difference two years makes.
Has someone hacked Dan R's account?

I agree with what you have said.
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Old 31-10-2016, 16:59
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5m for the penultimate ep of POG Dogs. Excellent stuff.
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Old 31-10-2016, 17:02
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Tomorrow's Radio Times giving away free Netflix subscriptions to ALL readers (includes Netflix members)
Pretty vague as to what the offer actually is though which suggests it may not be as good as it might sound.

Not that I would buy it even if it was a free month.
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Old 31-10-2016, 17:03
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The Peter Kay effect strikes again: Last night's C5 documentary pulled in their biggest audience on a Sunday at 9pm since January 31. Excluding Celebrity Big Brother, it's the most watched show in that slot in over two years. (Jason Statham movie Safe premiered to 2m on August 17 2014).
5 should show more comedy specials or stand up. I'm surprised they've not approached Russell Howard as he's already doing shows for Comedy Central.
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Old 31-10-2016, 17:06
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Pretty vague as to what the offer actually is though which suggests it may not be as good as it might sound.

Not that I would buy it even if it was a free month.
Do they have multiple subscription tiers now do they?

Neither would I really, but I'd bet there would be more I'd like to watch than what the beeb offers me.
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Old 31-10-2016, 17:08
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5m for the penultimate ep of POG Dogs. Excellent stuff.
Fantastic rating. It's sort of one those shows that you would expect from BBC1. Easy going, laid back and feel good.
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Old 31-10-2016, 17:09
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Pretty vague as to what the offer actually is though which suggests it may not be as good as it might sound.

Not that I would buy it even if it was a free month.
Just seen the website which says it is a free month
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