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It's a bit of an over reaction to describe Tutankhamun as a complete disaster. You win some you lose some, it could have done worse, and with Victoria doing well, that's a 1/2 success rate. Something like Downton doesn't come around very often and if that was the benchmark then it was unattainable.
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What they needed post Downton was solid dependables but they are a long long way from that with Tut.
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...4.5m down on Downton Abbey in that slot last year. Of course you can't replace a show like Downton, and it was always going to be a difficult year to some extent, but they could and should be doing an awful lot better than they have with Tut.
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It would be an interesting idea to try and find a C5 show for Russell whilst he has this ongoing relationship with Viacom. May even help his pay TV stuff along. Talking of which, great start for his most recent Comedy Central vehicle:
That's excluding the +1 channel. Must be one of the most successful homegrown programmes ever on the channel. Hopefully it can stay above 300k. 5 were showing stand up specials on Saturdays for a time but I don't know how they rated, the most successful stand up they've shown was Peter Kay Live at the top of the Tower |
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No other show gets slagged off and called names. We don't talk about ..
Strictly Crap Dancing Great British Bore Off DeadEnders/DeceaseEnders Emmerstale. Coronation Sleep Britain's Grotty Talent Gogglepox Doctor Why Hollyjokes The Aprrenpish Beat The Parents Boredchurch Countrybile. |
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Well the Sun have been saying Carol Vordermann is in for weeks now, so we will see.
Sounds like a standard sort of lineup for IAC. They can't really go too wrong with it, anyway. It has a lot of things going for it in terms of presenters, time of year, and the fairly unique format and location. Something like CBB is a lot more dependent on who they manage to get and I would worry more for them in January coming off the back of a really poor August series and just a general feeling that there are few obvious candidates in terms of those celebs that are in the headlines a lot and likely to generate interest from the media. |
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I didn't say that no other show gets slagged off. Why are posts being taken out of context and twisted all the time?
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The Sun rumours all look very plausible to me - especially that one. And their track record with this sort of thing is normally pretty good, to be fair.
Sounds like a standard sort of lineup for IAC. They can't really go too wrong with it, anyway. It has a lot of things going for it in terms of presenters, time of year, and the fairly unique format and location. Something like CBB is a lot more dependent on who they manage to get and I would worry more for them in January coming off the back of a really poor August series and just a general feeling that there are few obvious candidates in terms of those celebs that are in the headlines a lot and likely to generate interest from the media. |
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Eh? I was agreeing with you.
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Eh? I was agreeing with you.
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If I was 5, I would try and get Good News to move from BBC Two as it's made by Avalon. I think maybe a panel show or a stand up special would be good as well.
5 were showing stand up specials on Saturdays for a time but I don't know how they rated, the most successful stand up they've shown was Peter Kay Live at the top of the Tower Still fairly prominent at #54 on Channel 5's all time most watched shows list (3.3m in May 2005). |
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Welcome to the extending club!
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Not at all. There was however an overreaction to me voicing that opinion. Feels like one of those days on here where people disagree for the sake of it and twist what is said. Great example above with you accusing me of using Downton as a benchmark. I did make the comparison certainly, but I also made it quite clear that it was the size of the gap that was the issue and acknowledged it was unreasonable to expect them to immediately find something remotely in the same league. What I actually said is there in black and white:
P.S. I refuse to walk on eggshells and avoid discussing ITV underperformers even though I always know there is 99% likely to be a reaction from yourself and one or two others. I appreciate your deeply rooted view that ITV's performance is perfectly satisfactory at all times but please respect mine and not twist what I have written in order to conveniently and neatly dismiss what has been said. Things should improve this week with Dark Angel, Pride of Britain and This Time Next Year all looking somewhat promising and then I'm a Celebrity round the corner, but there have been issues this Autumn, particularly with drama, which was perhaps always likely given the number of new titles they've had. Nearly all of their dramas this Autumn have been new titles. Next Autumn should be steadier with Victoria and Cold Feet returning from this year and returning series Doc Martin and Marcella likely to get Autumn slots too. It hasn't been an entirely awful Autumn - they've plugged the Downton hole reasonably well with Victoria (a Downton sized hit was extremely unlikely but they should be pleased with the replacement they've found), had a solid if unspectacular return for Cold Feet and somewhat steadied The X Factor (the numbers don't look brilliant but it's down 5% on last year at this stage which I think they'd have taken before the series started, even if a couple of promising early results raised hopes). But some dreadful new series have caused real problems. If IAC has a decent run and This Time Next Year does well enough it won't look too shabby. But if those two disappoint it'll have to go down as pretty poor Autumn season. |
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@cylon BBC 1 has a 90 minute drama/TV movie next MONDAY. Just for you.
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Apologies, I thought you meant something different. My mistake.
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Not at all. There was however an overreaction to me voicing that opinion. Feels like one of those days on here where people disagree for the sake of it and twist what is said. Great example above with you accusing me of using Downton as a benchmark. I did make the comparison certainly, but I also made it quite clear that it was the size of the gap that was the issue and acknowledged it was unreasonable to expect them to immediately find something remotely in the same league. What I actually said is there in black and white:
P.S. I refuse to walk on eggshells and avoid discussing ITV underperformers even though I always know there is 99% likely to be a reaction from yourself and one or two others. I appreciate your deeply rooted view that ITV's performance is perfectly satisfactory at all times but please respect mine and not twist what I have written in order to conveniently and neatly dismiss what has been said. I'm also not disagreeing for the sake of it, and I think that's slightly disrespectful, everyone is entitled to an opinion and to make the case for it on this forum and I honestly believe that considering the expectations were low already for Tutankhamun, that getting mid 3.5s is not a disaster, it's just under what is about average for a drama these days. Tuesdays on ITV are certainly a disaster. This week looks more promising however, lots of new series starting which should hopefully give the schedule a boost. I wonder how Dark Angel will do, it's been trailered a lot and there is normally an appetite for historical drama, and with the added gore element I'm hoping for a good figure. Not much against it as well. |
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ITV's Tutankhamun has been a disaster on every level.
I'm sure if something on Channel 5 was described in such extreme terms you'd be jumping to their defence. |
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The Sun rumours all look very plausible to me - especially that one. And their track record with this sort of thing is normally pretty good, to be fair.
Sounds like a standard sort of lineup for IAC. They can't really go too wrong with it, anyway. It has a lot of things going for it in terms of presenters, time of year, and the fairly unique format and location. Something like CBB is a lot more dependent on who they manage to get and I would worry more for them in January coming off the back of a really poor August series and just a general feeling that there are few obvious candidates in terms of those celebs that are in the headlines a lot and likely to generate interest from the media. The Sun also claimed that the owners of the land on which I A C is filmed have refused to renew the option after this series. If they cannot be talked round (and the row is said to be serious) then ITV will need a new home in 2017. Allegedly they have looked at a site near Sydney but it is too expensive and one in South Affrica, but the time zone change means it would not work with live UK transmission times. I was wondering if any forced move away from Australia to a different environment might help or hinder the show? Do viewers like the familiarity so much that any such big change would hurt ratings or would the new animals, themes and challenge motifs freshen up the show? We might find out if they cannot do a deal. |
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@cylon BBC 1 has a 90 minute drama/TV movie next MONDAY. Just for you.
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Agreed.
The Sun also claimed that the owners of the land on which I A C is filmed have refused to renew the option after this series. If they cannot be talked round (and the row is said to be serious) then ITV will need a new home in 2017. Allegedly they have looked at a site near Sydney but it is too expensive and one in South Affrica, but the time zone change means it would not work with live UK transmission times. I was wondering if any forced move away from Australia to a different environment might help or hinder the show? Do viewers like the familiarity so much that any such big change would hurt ratings or would the new animals, themes and challenge motifs freshen up the show? We might find out if they cannot do a deal. |
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I think ITV's recent primetime performance has been very unsatisfactory. Tuesdays and Wednesdays have been varying degrees of disaster and they've had two big drama flops on Thursday and Friday. Throw in the dire schedule surrounding The X Factor on Saturdays and the underperforming Tutankhamun on Sundays and it has been a rotten few weeks for them in primetime. Even the bright spots like Cold Feet have maybe been below expectations. Tutankhamun certainly hasn't done well but it probably isn't the main concern right now. Hopes clearly weren't that high as its been sat on the shelf for ages (it was filmed last Autumn) and I suspect it only got a Sunday slot as it fit with the number of weeks they had between Victoria and IAC.
Things should improve this week with Dark Angel, Pride of Britain and This Time Next Year all looking somewhat promising and then I'm a Celebrity round the corner, but there have been issues this Autumn, particularly with drama, which was perhaps always likely given the number of new titles they've had. Nearly all of their dramas this Autumn have been new titles. Next Autumn should be steadier with Victoria and Cold Feet returning from this year and returning series Doc Martin and Marcella likely to get Autumn slots too. It hasn't been an entirely awful Autumn - they've plugged the Downton hole reasonably well with Victoria (a Downton sized hit was extremely unlikely but they should be pleased with the replacement they've found), had a solid if unspectacular return for Cold Feet and somewhat steadied The X Factor (the numbers don't look brilliant but it's down 5% on last year at this stage which I think they'd have taken before the series started, even if a couple of promising early results raised hopes). But some dreadful new series have caused real problems. If IAC has a decent run and This Time Next Year does well enough it won't look too shabby. But if those two disappoint it'll have to go down as pretty poor Autumn season. GFI, MTP and Magician all had potential but two have been unnecessarily sacrificed against SCD and GFI partly was. Two of the three have the same host. Their other big show has Davina as host but has been given a good schedule. Their recent dramas suffered from the bizarre idea of putting them on.close together. Tut has not done as badly but it's still below par.* Victoria did well but again wasn't a critical success. Yes it beat Poldark which goes to show how disappointing BBC1 has done this autumn. XF is 500k below target level though it hit the targets earlier and the show is having a much better year on screen. It'll lose to Planet Earth and I'm not convinced IAC will hit 10m. November is a huge month for them. Similarly autumn has been mixed for BBC1. Two great successes in GBBO and SCD but one is gone and the other has had a troubling series and loses Len next year. Poldark lost to Victoria and the Wednesday dramas have not cashed in on GBBO. But they've done better than itv's and Our Girl has been reupped. The Apprentice continues to be the best show on BBC1 and attracts a younger demographic (consolidates so well). Therefore BBC has won the season thanks to its reality shows but 2017 is not shaping up great. Both channels should be feel spooked tonight. *Why is under or below par seen as a bad thing? It's like why is going downhill a bad thing?? |
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Screams publicity stunt article to me.
Or plump for Brazil and freshen up the show. The timezone is okay and they could do a started episode in Florida. |
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Screams publicity stunt article to me.
The reality is probably something more mundane, where ITV renew every now and then, and they hadn't at that point, but will do as its routine. |
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Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised to see it on Netflix soon. Apparently 'Paranoid' is a Netflix co-production, so ITV and Netflix have been working together.
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Brilliant. Got the 12 issues for £1 deal, now I save £7.99 on a month of Netflix!
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Some names include: Larry Lamb, Anne Widdecomb, Scarlett Moffet and Tom Fletcher. . |
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I think ITV's recent primetime performance has been very unsatisfactory. Tuesdays and Wednesdays have been varying degrees of disaster and they've had two big drama flops on Thursday and Friday. Throw in the dire schedule surrounding The X Factor on Saturdays and the underperforming Tutankhamun on Sundays and it has been a rotten few weeks for them in primetime. Even the bright spots like Cold Feet have maybe been below expectations. Tutankhamun certainly hasn't done well but it probably isn't the main concern right now. Hopes clearly weren't that high as its been sat on the shelf for ages (it was filmed last Autumn) and I suspect it only got a Sunday slot as it fit with the number of weeks they had between Victoria and IAC.
Things should improve this week with Dark Angel, Pride of Britain and This Time Next Year all looking somewhat promising and then I'm a Celebrity round the corner, but there have been issues this Autumn, particularly with drama, which was perhaps always likely given the number of new titles they've had. Nearly all of their dramas this Autumn have been new titles. Next Autumn should be steadier with Victoria and Cold Feet returning from this year and returning series Doc Martin and Marcella likely to get Autumn slots too. It hasn't been an entirely awful Autumn - they've plugged the Downton hole reasonably well with Victoria (a Downton sized hit was extremely unlikely but they should be pleased with the replacement they've found), had a solid if unspectacular return for Cold Feet and somewhat steadied The X Factor (the numbers don't look brilliant but it's down 5% on last year at this stage which I think they'd have taken before the series started, even if a couple of promising early results raised hopes). But some dreadful new series have caused real problems. If IAC has a decent run and This Time Next Year does well enough it won't look too shabby. But if those two disappoint it'll have to go down as pretty poor Autumn season. |
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