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The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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Steve Williams
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Jictar ratings for 19-25 December 1977

1. The Mike Yarwood Christmas Show (BBC1, Sun 20:20): 21.4m
2. The Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show (BBC1, Sun 20:55): 21.3m
3. Bruce Forsyth and the Generation Game (BBC1, Sun 19:15): 19.95m

12. This England: House of the Stars (ITV, Mon 20:30): 14.75m

17.= Pub Entertainer of the Year Grand Final (ITV, Tues 21:00): 13.95m”

Good work for Pub Entertainer of the Year there, perhaps they should bring that back. That said, when Lewie posted some of the regional ratings from that week on Twitter the other day, BBC1's Driver of the Year was riding high in the London chart. That episode of This England almost certainly benefiting from the presence of Panorama at the same time on BBC1 - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules...don/1977-12-19. Like this year Christmas was on a Sunday so you had the almost-but-not-quite festive week before it where some incredibly unfestive shows are still on.

I always used to say that BBC4 should repeat those top three shows back to back one Christmas. I'll say it again when it's the fortieth anniversary next year.

Originally Posted by Score:
“Yes I've been encouraged by what Lygo has been saying too. It'll take some time and I'm sure there will be flops along the way but he at least seems willing to try different things, which they've not down enough of late. The 2017 schedule looks fairly promising from what has been announced so far and I think there's a lot more to come. They've announced a lot of new drama but I think both light entertainment and fact ent need new hits and fast. He's identified both as priority areas so let's see what happens.”

Yes, I do wish ITV was a bit more adventurous. The time I most watched ITV was when David Liddiment was in charge in the late nineties when they did seem to have a swagger about them and, while they could often be conservative in some of their programmes, they were happy to take risks and just do something to liven up the schedule. Millionaire was the obvious example, they were very brave in their scheduling of that - when I first saw it was being stripped every week, I thought that was very risky - and it became a hit partly because it felt like an event. It made the channel seem more exciting and there was usually something in the course of a week that caught your eye (and, as I've mentioned before, with only one fewer episode of Emmerdale and Corrie than that have now).

What doesn't work is what we had a few years ago when Peter Fincham said they were going to do more entertainment in midweek, and promptly stuck two crap quizzes in The Exit List and High Stakes at 8pm on Tuesday with no publicity and no support, both of which died on their arse, and that was the end of it. Doing it half-arsed like that is no better than not doing it at all. You could say the same about Jekyll and Hyde, I suppose. That had the publicity but none of the support in the schedule, and it was just unsuitable for the slot they gave it.

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Well you wouldn't know it wasn't a BBC magazine going by the content which is still incredibly pro-BBC.”

And yet, in the week of Planet Earth II, surely the most BBC programme imaginable, it's not on the cover. A Netflix series is instead. If you don't like it, or think it's too expensive, don't buy it!

Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“There's no obvious room there. Who dares Wins is slated for 13 episodes and Casualty ad infinitum. And Strictly can't easily be moved forward because Pointless Celebrities is only halfway through the run. All very odd!”

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I don't think BBC1 would have much of an issue with interrupting either Pointless Celebrities or Who Dares Win mid-series. I'm sure In It To Win It has had series split into two runs in the past.”

Not just two runs, they've taken a year or so to screen whole series of In It To Win It before now. It gets taken off whenever anything interesting comes about and then stuffed back on whenever there's space. The lottery quizzes are a low priority. I know you have the returning champions on Who Dares Wins but it really doesn't matter that much, nobody will care if they take it off for a month. And as this thread never tires of saying, there are loads of episodes of Pointless Celebrities so if they're waiting for that to finish they'll be waiting a long time.

It's like I say up there, it's always worth shaking things up every so often and creating a bit of an event in the schedules to make the channel look more interesting. It's like when the late and much-lamented Samuel used to say it was "physically impossible" to show something in a certain slot. You can show anything anywhere, if you want!
sunbeam007
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Nov 19 could look like this

5.40 Pointless celebrities
6.30 Strictly Come Dancing
7.45 Michael McIntyre Big Show
8.30 Who Dares Wins
9.20 Casualty
10.10 BBC News
10.30 Match of The Day

Strictly could reduce by 5 minutes every week as another celeb is voted out”

I agree with those who are saying how solid this line up is and I could happily watch until 8:30. Having said that I can happily watch ITV from Tipping Point through Jonathan Ross but many older viewers can't.

I just hope the BBC has something worth watching after New Year.
iaindb
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Jictar ratings for 26 December 1977-1 January 1978

1. This is Your Life: Bob Paisley (ITV, Wed 19:00): 17.25m
2.= Crossroads (ITV, Thurs 18:35*): 16.5m
2.= Film: Escape of the Birdmen (Premiere) (ITV, Thurs 19:00): 16.5m
2.= Crossroads (ITV, Fri 18:35*): 16.5m
5. Crossroads (ITV, Wed 18:35*): 16.3m
6. Coronation Street (ITV, Wed 19:30): 16.2m
7. Bruce's Choice (BBC1, Sat 19:15): 16.05m
8. Wednesday at Eight (ITV, Wed 20:00): 15.95m
9. Disney Time (BBC1, Tues 17:25): 15.2m
10. The Good Life Christmas Special (BBC1, Mon 19:35): 15.0m
11. Film: Doctor in Trouble (ITV, Sun 19:45): 14.9m
12. Max's Holiday Hour (ITV, Tues 19:30): 14.7m
13.= The Two Ronnies (BBC1, Mon 20:05): 14.5m
13.= Film: Fear is the Key (Premiere) (ITV, Tues 20:30): 14.5m
13.= Dudh Kosi: Relentless River of Everest (ITV, Wed 21:00): 14.5m
16. Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt (ITV, Tues 19:00): 14.35m
17. Mind Your Language (ITV, Fri 19:00): 14.2m
18. Crossroads (ITV, Tues 18:35*): 14.05m
19. Jim'll Fix It (BBC1, Mon 17:25): 13.8m
20. Film: Support Your Local Sheriff (BBC1, Mon 18:05): 13.6m

* Crossroads was shown at a different time in some regions”

Number 10 - The Good Life, on Boxing Day, presumably going up against Coronation Street and knocking the episode out of the top 20. Aggressive scheduling there from BBC1.. "Christmas is ours, ITV. Eff off!"

Number 7: Shades of the recent Bruce's Hall Of Fame? But look at all the people watching TV on NEW YEAR'S EVE. edit: Or was it Bruce's choice of best bits fron the Generation Game?

Number 19: {Shudder}
sunbeam007
01-11-2016
Escape of the Birdmen premiere joint 2nd in the charts for 1977. The film was released in... 1971.
iaindb
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Michael McIntyre’s Big Show begins a new 6 part series on Saturday 19 November time to be confirmed”

Originally Posted by marke09:
“Who Do You Think You Are confirmed again for Thursday November 24 at 8pm - 1 of 5”

Add in Planet Earth 2 and BBC1's schedule starts to get a bit meatier as we move towards winter.
iaindb
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Escape of the Birdmen premiere joint 2nd in the charts for 1977. The film was released in... 1971.”

A TV movie starring 70s box-office superstar Doug McClure. (ahem!)

BBC1's alternative was
7.00 The Superstars
8.10 Secret Army

Not sure why the viewers would have such a downer on these two.
cylon6
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Jictar ratings for 26 December 1977-1 January 1978

1. This is Your Life: Bob Paisley (ITV, Wed 19:00): 17.25m
2.= Crossroads (ITV, Thurs 18:35*): 16.5m
2.= Film: Escape of the Birdmen (Premiere) (ITV, Thurs 19:00): 16.5m
2.= Crossroads (ITV, Fri 18:35*): 16.5m
5. Crossroads (ITV, Wed 18:35*): 16.3m
6. Coronation Street (ITV, Wed 19:30): 16.2m
7. Bruce's Choice (BBC1, Sat 19:15): 16.05m
8. Wednesday at Eight (ITV, Wed 20:00): 15.95m
9. Disney Time (BBC1, Tues 17:25): 15.2m
10. The Good Life Christmas Special (BBC1, Mon 19:35): 15.0m
11. Film: Doctor in Trouble (ITV, Sun 19:45): 14.9m
12. Max's Holiday Hour (ITV, Tues 19:30): 14.7m
13.= The Two Ronnies (BBC1, Mon 20:05): 14.5m
13.= Film: Fear is the Key (Premiere) (ITV, Tues 20:30): 14.5m
13.= Dudh Kosi: Relentless River of Everest (ITV, Wed 21:00): 14.5m
16. Oh No It's Selwyn Froggitt (ITV, Tues 19:00): 14.35m
17. Mind Your Language (ITV, Fri 19:00): 14.2m
18. Crossroads (ITV, Tues 18:35*): 14.05m
19. Jim'll Fix It (BBC1, Mon 17:25): 13.8m
20. Film: Support Your Local Sheriff (BBC1, Mon 18:05): 13.6m

* Crossroads was shown at a different time in some regions”

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Number 10 - The Good Life, on Boxing Day, presumably going up against Coronation Street and knocking the episode out of the top 20. Aggressive scheduling there from BBC1.. "Christmas is ours, ITV. Eff off!"

Number 7: Shades of the recent Bruce's Hall Of Fame? But look at all the people watching TV on NEW YEAR'S EVE. edit: Or was it Bruce's choice of best bits fron the Generation Game?

Number 19: {Shudder}”

Thanks Ray.

How different those Christmas 1977 figures look with JICTAR compared to the BBC figures, which had 21m for The Two Ronnies and 18m for The Good Life. They also had 22.5m for The Dirty Dozen which doesn't feature in this list at all!
iaindb
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Number 7: Shades of the recent Bruce's Hall Of Fame? But look at all the people watching TV on NEW YEAR'S EVE. edit: Or was it Bruce's choice of best bits fron the Generation Game?
”

Just looked up the BBC Genome web site and Bruce's Choice WAS a Generation Game compilation. "including The Brothers Lee". Who remembers the Brothers Lee? Not even Wikipedia apparently. (They were impressionists.)

And after Brucie it was Val Doonican's Old Year Music Show. "Okay, everybody, that's enough television. Let's go and find a New Year party to gate-crash.".
cylon6
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by marke09:
“Michael McIntyre’s Big Show begins a new 6 part series on Saturday 19 November time to be confirmed”

Will Michael McIntyre's Big Show be in place of Pointless or follow Strictly? Last series did well until it went up against BGT. For all the talk of X Factor being weaker, it still gets 5/6m and McIntyre appeals to a similar audience which is why he took a a hit opposite BGT.
derek500
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“

TWD performing well for it's second episode of it's new run (although after last weeks season opener, last night was somewhat boring, but not totally unexpected as this is the general trend for TWD).”

There was no live simulcast yesterday so the total is about half a million down on last week's and there was no ad free download available throughout the day. Expect higher timeshifting.

We watched it tonight, so I expect the consolidated numbers will be much closer.
cylon6
01-11-2016
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Add in Planet Earth 2 and BBC1's schedule starts to get a bit meatier as we move towards winter.”

How do you think Planet Earth 2 will do?
H of De Vil
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“How do you think Planet Earth 2 will do?”

I think it will launch with 5m-5.5m. But I can see it settling in 4-5m ballpark, but consolidating well.

It will be interesting to see how its sits alongside the BBC's older skewing line-up. Will it appeal to this demographic as AR does, to give it its big ratings.

It'll certainly dent TXF which I think will be under 6m. But tbh, I would pefer TXF to be knocked than IAC.
sn_22
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Add in Planet Earth 2 and BBC1's schedule starts to get a bit meatier as we move towards winter.”

The weekend schedule is looking as stacked as I can remember it, really. They've clearly taken the decision this year to try and embrace the Strictly lead-in, regardless of the opposition.

That said, I don't think the schedule's been particularly bare for a while now. There was a lot of hand-wringing about uninspired schedules in September - but the Autumn season always takes a while to get going. Since October began, Mondays have been the only weak spot. There's been three 9pm dramas on air - plus Strictly, Bake Off, The Apprentice and HIGNFY.
sunbeam007
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by sn_22:
“The weekend schedule is looking as stacked as I can remember it, really. They've clearly taken the decision this year to try and embrace the Strictly lead-in, regardless of the opposition.

That said, I don't think the schedule's been particularly bare for a while now. There was a lot of hand-wringing about uninspired schedules in September - but the Autumn season always takes a while to get going. Since October began, Mondays have been the only weak spot. There's been three 9pm dramas on air - plus Strictly, Bake Off, The Apprentice and HIGNFY.”

I see next Tuesday ITV is showing a Midsommer episode which is S18 Ep4. This is another UK drama I've never actually seen but I'll be interested to see if a repeat can challenge Holby. It has more chance than normal flop shows.

Davina on itv tomorrow in what is an important show for them and then Buble on Thursday also intriguing me.
burbe
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Will Michael McIntyre's Big Show be in place of Pointless or follow Strictly? Last series did well until it went up against BGT. For all the talk of X Factor being weaker, it still gets 5/6m and McIntyre appeals to a similar audience which is why he took a a hit opposite BGT.”

The problem of McIntyre v BGT is that they're both variety shows. I think it would sit better against X Factor and would grab a few viewers from Strictly as well than it did against BGT.
LHolmes
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by david_leeward:
“*yawn*

Yeah because loads of 10-12year old kids watch eastenders
What a terrible episode too..”

To be fair that share of 26.9% is a bit lower than what EastEnders normally gets on a Monday so it isn't out there to suggest Halloween had an impact. EE was more likely to be affected by it than the older skewing soaps which are coming off the back of big storylines.

I'm still not buying into the crisis some say it's having. As apart from a couple of dodgy Friday ratings (never its strongest day, but it's the ep with the highest timeshift or second highest IIRC) and this most have rated quite typically for recent times. The other two have just had a boost from airing stunts.

As for it being a terrible episode, no one would know that before they tuned in. I disagree anyway, the story with Dot is very moving.

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Corrie is actually doing well with nearly 7m overnights and pushing 9m for the odd episode after 7 days. I'm surprised how well it is consolidating. EE I'm sure will top 6m tonight. I do wonder if even the soaps take a hit from IAC because people make IAC their daily habit and don't feel the need to download a missed soap episode.”

EE takes a hit from it as I'm sure every year it causes displaced soap episodes which inevitably get thrown out against EastEnders.

Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“Losing Bake Off is only the top of it when you bear in mind things like the decision not to do more Goodnight Sweetheart, despite it being the overwhelmingly requested returnee in polls carried out post the recent sitcom series. Their reason being to give the few slots to something new and modern it was hinted. And this was an old traditional sitcom that was probably why such a high percentage who were asked wanted it to come back as that sort of show is largely AWOL from the BBC these days.”

I think the ratings might have put them off on Goodnight Sweetheart. IIRC it didn't even crack 4m in overnights. And that was a special episode. It didn't bode well for a full series.

The highest rater (AYBS) of the sitcom season isn't going to series so I'm not surprised about GS. I liked it though.

Originally Posted by RickLopez:
“Emmerdale doing well and now certainly the second soap, good figures for Corrie last night as well, disappointing for EastEnders, however Gavin Shipman tries to spin it, they should be doing much better than that.”

I think declaring Emmerdale the 'second soap' (if you meant the position is secure) is a little premature. We've been here before with the show ahead of EE off the back of a big storyline only for EE to pull ahead again.
LHolmes
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by burbe:
“EE will certainly have its usual New Year boost if the two big exits are to be believed as happening then. Christmas will probably be close between EE and Corrie with Emmerdale a bit behind as usual.”

It depends what they're up against. EE should have an easier time of it without Downton Abbey in the schedules but saying that the Christmas Day ratings of the last few years have been all round disappointing.
Servalan
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“I see next Tuesday ITV is showing a Midsommer episode which is S18 Ep4. This is another UK drama I've never actually seen but I'll be interested to see if a repeat can challenge Holby. It has more chance than normal flop shows.”

Holby City is more of a prime target than it ever has been given that the show being put out to tender could create some instability behind the scenes - I've heard talk of writers being pulled off the show to work on the BBC Studios bid.

A MM repeat will have minimal impact. What ITV need to do is move the double Emmerdale evening from Thursdays to Tuesdays - and watch Holby flounder …
iaindb
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“Holby City is more of a prime target than it ever has been given that the show being put out to tender could create some instability behind the scenes - I've heard talk of writers being pulled off the show to work on the BBC Studios bid.

A MM repeat will have minimal impact. What ITV need to do is move the double Emmerdale evening from Thursdays to Tuesdays - and watch Holby flounder …”

Or get moved to Thursday.
sunbeam007
02-11-2016
So has PoB Awards topped 4m and has it topped Holby? Maybe even brought OLies to below 5m. I'll go for 4.2m, 4.2m and 4.9m.
Ray Tings
02-11-2016
Arctic Live: 2.59m (12.0%)
Ray Tings
02-11-2016
The Choir: Gareth's Best in Britain: 1.89m (9.1%)
Ray Tings
02-11-2016
The #PrideofBritainAwards on ITV won more than half its slot and averaged 4.1m/19.4% @itvstudios http://www.overnights.tv
Ray Tings
02-11-2016
BBC1

EastEnders: 5.95m (30.3%)
Holby City: 4.10m (19.0%)
The One Show: 3.90m (20.7%)
H of De Vil
02-11-2016
Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Arctic Live: 2.59m (12.0%)”


I do love these programmes, but this one had very little happening of note. Big Blue Live was more interesting.
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