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Old 07-11-2016, 21:14
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6.62m exc. +1. The +1 rating is on BARB and was 297k
Ah perfect. Not looked at BARB website yet today.
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Old 07-11-2016, 21:15
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I thought ITV continuity was live.
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Old 07-11-2016, 21:17
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Roscoe do you still have your access to ITV officials? Any idea of the X Factor official from last Sunday? Thanks

I see this thread has descended into the school playground again.

It's mad to compare X Factor to 2010 as some have done. It was at its peak then and that was SIX years ago. A long time. Furthermore, it would be totally wrong to ignore its decline as it has declined a heck of a lot since then. 2013-14 were stable but the trainwreck of last year has damaged it. It gets respectable figures but I do feel it should be doing better.

It's funny re the 2011 and 2012 series. Was looking at those figures the other day and the year on year declines back then were huge! 2012 was down around 2-3m yoy.
I would agree with that summary. They managed to stabilise it in 2013 and 2014. Both were decent series with solid ratings. Unfortunately I think they set their expectations too high for the 2014 series as Simon & Cheryl returned and I think they were hoping for a return to properly big figures. They didn't get them and made far too many changes for 2015, which was a disaster of a series. They've returned to relative stability this year, but with numbers that are probably a million or so lower than they would have been had they not tampered with it last year. Rather than setting expectations too high for the 2014 run they should have accepted the decent figures they got and not made those sweeping changes that cost them last year. They've reversed them all this year anyway.

There are a few moments through the show's history that have caused the largest declines. Losing Simon & Cheryl after 2010, not rebooting it for 2012 (they should have done what they did in 2013 a year earlier) after the declines of 2011 and the disastrous 2015 changes are the 3 biggest ones for me.
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Old 07-11-2016, 21:40
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Still amazed by that Planet Earth rating.

Credit where it's due, X Factor held up really well. Either Planet Earth didn't dent it or it would have got a boost under normal circumstances. Not sure which is the case but I can't think of anything else ITV have that could have got 6.5m up against Planet Earth. Particularly with what I imagine was a rubbish lead-in.

Amazing for Strictly, this is the time last year when it started posting 10m+ overnights too. Wonder how low Magician and Rockers were.
Impressive ratings, but what they suggest to me is that the big 2 need to do much better the rest of the time, as despite fragmentation of audiences in the multi-channel era, it's clear that there is still a large number of viewers there for the taking and that they will flock back to BBC1 and ITV1 when they produce distinctive, popular and / or quality programming - even when they're scheduled against each other.

For the 2 of them to be struggling to pull in combined audiences of 5 or 6 million in many prime time slots suggests that they are simply failing to deliver the type and quality of programmes the mass audience want. Can't help but feel this goes back to a lack of ambition in the schedules (for example the belief that ITV should throw in the towel against SCD on a Saturday) and the lack of variety (particularly during weeknights) that was discussed on this thread last week.
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Old 07-11-2016, 21:42
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From Media Guardian.
So was this more popular than the original 10 years?
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Old 07-11-2016, 21:48
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OMG! How easy is it to wind up X Factor fans these days?

I would agree with that summary. They managed to stabilise it in 2013 and 2014. Both were decent series with solid ratings. Unfortunately I think they set their expectations too high for the 2014 series as Simon & Cheryl returned and I think they were hoping for a return to properly big figures. They didn't get them and made far too many changes for 2015, which was a disaster of a series. They've returned to relative stability this year, but with numbers that are probably a million or so lower than they would have been had they not tampered with it last year. Rather than setting expectations too high for the 2014 run they should have accepted the decent figures they got and not made those sweeping changes that cost them last year. They've reversed them all this year anyway.

There are a few moments through the show's history that have caused the largest declines. Losing Simon & Cheryl after 2010, not rebooting it for 2012 (they should have done what they did in 2013 a year earlier) after the declines of 2011 and the disastrous 2015 changes are the 3 biggest ones for me.
The thing about X Factor is that it used to be several million viewers in front of Strictly and now it's several million behind. It was always going to be a big ask for it to stay at the very high peak figure it achieved but maybe it should have bottomed out a few million higher than it has. The problem seems to be mainly with the live shows which is a problem The Voice has as well. It may be that there just isn't the talent out there to get the viewers very excited.

But as we've seen today, the demographics are still very appealing to the advertisers.
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Old 07-11-2016, 21:50
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So was this more popular than the original 10 years?
It will be easily, after timeshift. Posted earlier:

Previous Planet Earth consolidated ratings (March/Nov 2006):

Ep 1 - 9.41m Ep 6 - 6.37m**
Ep 2 - 8.57m Ep 7 - 6.72m
Ep 3 - 8.83m Ep 8 - 7.04m*
Ep 4 - 8.98m Ep 9 - 7.32m*
Ep 5 - 9.23m Ep 10 - 7.42m*

*against IAC
**against 10m A touch of Frost
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Old 07-11-2016, 21:57
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It will be easily, after timeshift. Posted earlier:

Previous Planet Earth consolidated ratings (March/Nov 2006):

Ep 1 - 9.41m Ep 6 - 6.37m**
Ep 2 - 8.57m Ep 7 - 6.72m
Ep 3 - 8.83m Ep 8 - 7.04m*
Ep 4 - 8.98m Ep 9 - 7.32m*
Ep 5 - 9.23m Ep 10 - 7.42m*

*against IAC
**against 10m A touch of Frost
Reckon last nights ep could touch 11 million! It'll make it the most watched since the blue planet, 2001
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:20
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I'm a Celebrity line-up: http://www.itv.com/imacelebrity/cele...rity-campmates
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:27
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Is there usually about two/three new ones that enter about four days in? Ten seems low
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:28
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What do we think? I'm sure it'll be alright after we see a few of them gag on kangaroo testicles!
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:29
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Not a bad lineup. I'm properly familiar with 2 of them and then have heard of a few more too- the names themselves aren't that important on IAC but it's still good to have a few people have heard of IMO.

Is there usually about two/three new ones that enter about four days in? Ten seems low
Yes; there were three of them last year (I think). Vicky, Ferne and the one that got kicked off for doing drugs.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:30
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ITV have just trailed 3-part true crime drama In Plain Sight to air this December

This was originally commissioned as w/t Muncie
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:31
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Is there usually about two/three new ones that enter about four days in? Ten seems low
Yes two arrive late.

What is noticable about this line-up is that there are no reality type trash. TOWIE, Geordie Shore and MIC.

Unless any of them turn up as late arrivals, seems the rumours are true in regard to them excluding the above.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:33
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Roscoe do you still have your access to ITV officials? Any idea of the X Factor official from last Sunday? Thanks

I see this thread has descended into the school playground again.

It's mad to compare X Factor to 2010 as some have done. It was at its peak then and that was SIX years ago. A long time. Furthermore, it would be totally wrong to ignore its decline as it has declined a heck of a lot since then. 2013-14 were stable but the trainwreck of last year has damaged it. It gets respectable figures but I do feel it should be doing better.

It's funny re the 2011 and 2012 series. Was looking at the overnight figures from then the other day and the year on year declines back then were huge! 2012 was down around 2-3m you, I think that series was a turning point for lots of people.
Didn't the 2012 series lose most of those viewers at launch? I seem to remember the 2011 series launched near 11m if not a touch over and the 2012 series didn't even make 9m. From there it held steady without gaining but the whole story of The X Factor since the launch of 2012 has been chasing the lost viewers instead of keeping those they still had - 2014 and particualrly 2015 - and losing more in the process.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:34
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Is there usually about two/three new ones that enter about four days in? Ten seems low
Two usually go in a few days later after doing an overnight challenge.

The papers were as accurate as ever then, whatever happened to Danny Baker, Craig Charles, Tom Fletcher, Martin Roberts, a bit random making up the last one of those it has to be said.

I hope Kiosk Keith is back as well
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:36
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The Sun mentioned Danny Baker (Radio DJ) and Martin Roberts (Homes Under the Hammer Presenter), neither of whom are in the official list, so I wonder if they're going to be late arrivals?
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:38
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Didn't the 2012 series lose most of those viewers at launch? I seem to remember the 2011 series launched near 11m if not a touch over and the 2012 series didn't even make 9m. From there it held steady without gaining but the whole story of The X Factor since the launch of 2012 has been chasing the lost viewers instead of keeping those they still had - 2014 and particualrly 2015 - and losing more in the process.
Yeah I it launched at 8.7m including +1 and stayed at that level, increasing to around 9m. 2013 was very similar. Completely agree with the chasing viewers. A book could be written on The X Factor ratings and its rise and fall.

A very good IAC lineup, really looking forward to it. Seems more watchable than last year's, no reality stars which is a good thing in my book! There's always a few late arrivals.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:40
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Brilliant ratings for Planet Earth and great scheduling by BBC1. Very wise to avoid I'm A Celebrity, but, like others, I wonder if the overnights will drop next week because IAC will take away some people's time-shift slot. We would have to see if a lower overnight is cancelled out by a higher seven day time shift.

The Next Great Magician and Tutankhamen both doing as well as I would expect. I think ITV's aim for the LE shows that they schedule opposite Strictly is that they will skew young like Take Me Out does (did?). It seems to be "so far, so good" for Magician. It's a question of whether the ratings will stay stable. This is the time of year when ratings should be rising week-on-week because of the weather, so maybe any drop off of unsatisfied viewers will be cancelled out by the general increase in viewing.

As for Tutankhamen - its subject matter doesn't really scream out "mass audience" and they could probably have covered the salient points in a two-hour film. Four hours is probably stretching it.

Decent finish for Poldark. If I was in charge at BBC1 I would certainly take the opportunity to move series 3 back into a spring slot. However, I would hope BBC1 would have something decent to fill the empty slot next Autumn.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:40
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The Sun mentioned Danny Baker (Radio DJ) and Martin Roberts (Homes Under the Hammer Presenter), neither of whom are in the official list, so I wonder if they're going to be late arrivals?
Danny Baker said he wasn't doing it on Twitter. Did he mean it or was he throwing people off the scent?
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:44
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Danny Baker said he wasn't doing it on Twitter. Did he mean it or was he throwing people off the scent?
Colin Murray has taken over his Saturday morning 5Live slot until December 10th. I suspect the IAC final will be December 4th, so make of that what you will.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:45
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I thought ITV continuity was live.
It is, except after midnight.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:46
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Impressive ratings, but what they suggest to me is that the big 2 need to do much better the rest of the time, as despite fragmentation of audiences in the multi-channel era, it's clear that there is still a large number of viewers there for the taking and that they will flock back to BBC1 and ITV1 when they produce distinctive, popular and / or quality programming - even when they're scheduled against each other.

For the 2 of them to be struggling to pull in combined audiences of 5 or 6 million in many prime time slots suggests that they are simply failing to deliver the type and quality of programmes the mass audience want. Can't help but feel this goes back to a lack of ambition in the schedules (for example the belief that ITV should throw in the towel against SCD on a Saturday) and the lack of variety (particularly during weeknights) that was discussed on this thread last week.
I said this in the other place.

Makes you think that channels like to get a solid regular 5/6m in a slot, but if they cast the net wider for programmes they might get bigger rating programmes more often. Instead of a solid rating for Antiques Roadshow, BBC1 got a huge rating for Planet Earth 2 at 8pm. And X Factor wasn't troubled!

Now that's choice.

Funny to think that a few years back the idea of putting something like Planet Earth opposite X Factor would be considered mad, due to X Factor's popularity.

I'm sure somebody will come along and say where will they get the money from? That's not our problem it's theirs. Let them work it out. Not all big hits have big budgets.
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:47
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Colin Murray has taken over his Saturday morning 5Live slot until December 10th. I suspect the IAC final will be December 4th, so make of that what you will.
Well spotted. Could it be true?
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Old 07-11-2016, 22:53
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That's not the most inspiring IAC line-up as I can't see who is supposed to be a crazy one who'll create the waves. Maybe they are still to go. We shall see.
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