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Well, it actually depends how you look at it:
GBBO Final: LIVE: 9,942,000 VOSDAL: 4,052,000 Time-shifted: 1,906,000 TOTAL = 15,899,000 (52.7%) That's how the Bake-Off breakdown actually looks and only 1.91m actually time-shifted it whilst 4.05m was VOSDAL. Also.... look at this.... Sherlock (New Years Day 2016) LIVE: 6,376,000 VOSDAL: 2,112,000 Time-shifted: 3,155,000 TOTAL = 11,643,000 (40.2%) As you can see, once the numbers are broken down further and split between VOSDAL and time-shifted, Sherlock is actually massively ahead if you just look at time-shifting. I know that's the different episode to the one you're comparing it with, but you get the idea. BARB don't distinguish between VOSDAL and time-shifted unfortunately. ![]() The Sherlock figure i posted is from BARB (and I quote): "Sherlock's resurrection in The Empty Hearse attracts 12.72 million viewers and breaks record for most timeshifted programme of all time with 5.88 million watching it recorded or via catch-up" http://www.barb.co.uk/resources/tv-f...1/2014/events/ The problem we have these days is that VOSDAL, as you know, is included in the overnights and creates confusion. For example, the last ever episode of Downtown added 4m from the overnight (a record in itself) but it's still not the highest overall timeshifted programme (GBBO final 5.95m). BARB do now produce a monthly breakdown of top timeshifted programmes, (live > consolidated) so it is easier to follow ![]() http://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/m...p-by-audience/ |
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Does anyone in here watch HIGNFY? From the bits I've caught, its not very funny, and the comments on the HIGNFY thread seem to suggest the same.
Although it still rates (presumably because its a tradition with its audience now. Watch it good or bad), is it time it was given a rest? Quote:
BBC1: Top 3 (7pm-11pm)
EastEnders: 4.81m (21.8%) The One Show: 4.64m (25.2%) BBC News (10pm): 3.84m (22.1%) BBC2: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) The Mary Berry Story (R): 1.50m (7.8%) Trump's America: a Newsnight Special (8pm-9pm): 1.26m (5.8%) Rick Stein's Long Weekends: 1.22m (5.5%) BBC4 The Good Old Days (R): 0.34m (1.6%) Top of the Pops 1982 (R): 0.30m (1.5%) Channel 4: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) (exc. +1) Gogglebox: 2.38m (10.8%) The Last Leg: 1.46m (9.3%) Food Unwrapped: 1.43m (6.6%) Channel 5: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) (exc. +1) The Ant & Dec Story (R): 1.08m (4.9%) Most Shocking Talent Show Moments (R): 0.67m (6.4%) Dogs Make You Laugh Out Loud (R): 0.54m (2.5%) |
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I do think the procedural dramas does get looked down upon compared to the serialised drama but as we have seen with things like Silent Witness or Death in Paradise that these dramas haven't lost popularity
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Does anyone in here watch HIGNFY? From the bits I've caught, its not very funny, and the comments on the HIGNFY thread seem to suggest the same.
Although it still rates (presumably because its a tradition with its audience now. Watch it good or bad), is it time it was given a rest? This is/was a ratings thread, and you are seriously suggesting that a show that rates incredibly highly and is presumably cheap as chips gets canned because you and a few constant moaners on a thread (who are mostly riven with agendas, I long ago gave up on reading and contributing to it, as it reads the same every show/ "lefty bias/ token women unfunny/ paul looks disinterested/ bring back Angus/ why do they hate my loved one Farage he's a national hero") don't find it funny. It's fun, it's incisive, it is familiar to it's fans, yet I really don't see that as a bad thing, plenty of shows are familiar. Yes some editions are really poor, but that's always been the way, it's the same with any panel show, depends on the issues and chemistry. I haven't watched it yet, I and many others catch up with the extended Monday episode, which probably means it's even a better rater then seems from the Friday edition. |
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I think MM Big Show will match TXF on Saturday. I predict it will beat it without +1.
Its clever scheduling by the BBC, and will suite the audience who watch SCD even more. I suspect ever year now, the BBC will be looing at big shows to put against TXF as it continues to dwindle in numbers each year. Splashed right in the middle of primetime, surrounded by flopping shows as BBC1 grows stronger, once TXF does die, ITV will be left with a schedule which can barely muster anything over 3m. This is why I believe ITV should be pushing TXF forward into the schedules to start at an earlier time, enabling something to launch off the back of TXF. By 2019 I can't see TXF lasting any further series. So now is the time to start looking for big shows to go in the post-TXF slot. ITV need to start thinking BIG. Its fine to keep commissioing smaller shows, but some bigger ideas need to come to fruition. Easier said than done, but like with the BBC, look for some spin-offs that could be inspired by existing shows. |
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I think the vast majority of the audience have no problem finding and watching quality drama on ITV, it has a long and distinguished reputation in the genre. It's the channel of Broadchurch, Cracker and Prime Suspect, and its drama remains its great strength.
Of course, Chris Chibnall said that when they were pitching Broadchurch initially they thought they might try Sky Atlantic because they thought it would be the kind of bold thing they were after. It ended up on primetime ITV, so if you're tossing up between those two I'm not sure what Sky Atlantic can actually offer. I guess it can benefit in terms of scale, but not all dramas have to be big budget mammoth affairs, do they? British audiences are still happy to watch small scale affairs as well. I guess they may also have a benefit in being able to do very long runs, which ITV probably wouldn't, but they don't seem massively interested in doing that. Incidentally I see in Broadcast this week that Polly Hill is suggesting ITV are looking for story-of-the-week dramas which can run for several weeks of the year every year, in the style of CSI which would be good, I think. It's rather like how golf, cricket and rugby union are important in attracting the broadsheet sports fan. Absolutely fabulous if itv is finally going to go after simple procedural drama. Hopefully it won't all be murder mystery stuff and we will have a more Sweeney/Bergerac show. The BBC are far better at this Johnwo says. Shows like Cagney and Lacey and Castle have had episodes which were little more than comedy episodes that were sillier, light-hearted stories. A little bit like Moonlighting. |
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I think MM Big Show will match TXF on Saturday. I predict it will beat it without +1.
Its clever scheduling by the BBC, and will suite the audience who watch SCD even more. I suspect ever year now, the BBC will be looing at big shows to put against TXF as it continues to dwindle in numbers each year. Splashed right in the middle of primetime, surrounded by flopping shows as BBC1 grows stronger, once TXF does die, ITV will be left with a schedule which can barely muster anything over 3m. This is why I believe ITV should be pushing TXF forward into the schedules to start at an earlier time, enabling something to launch off the back of TXF. By 2019 I can't see TXF lasting any further series. So now is the time to start looking for big shows to go in the post-TXF slot. ITV need to start thinking BIG. Its fine to keep commissioing smaller shows, but some bigger ideas need to come to fruition. Easier said than done, but like with the BBC, look for some spin-offs that could be inspired by existing shows. Now in addition we now know that the Sunday 8 pm slot is a goldmine for viewers. We have seen CTM get ten million plus there, and now Planet Earth get Nine million. The current Antiques roadshows and XF can't get that, so both are not getting the full potential of that slot. SCD does the business at 7.15 and Countryfile is constant. I think BBC1 should now move AR out if the 8 pm slot on Sundays, well in winter/ Spring. And either run it circa 5 pm, or at 7pm, from March to September, maybe with Countryfile at 8 pm in the summer, or6 pm in the winter. XF we all know has been dying and is weak, Michael McIntyre is fresh and a very good schedule move, both it and Planet Earth keep the viewers from SCD. XF needs a rest, we can see the viewers are in on Sundays, but choose not to watch XF, but will switch on for quality TV. Maybe a replacement for Bake Off should be run in the 8 pm Sunday slot, or a continuing drama, as they have the potential of ten million viewers. I recall Howard's way, The Brothers, Bergerac, Shoestring all doing well on Sundays in the past, currently Sunday is stagnated. |
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Does Death In Paradise count as either procedural or drama? Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it seems like a bit of a stretch to bracket it with Silent Witness.
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They do have a busy schedule yes, ut I'm sure they would have a week or so time to fit it in. Let's face it IAC is basically a walk in the park for A&D.
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And they're off the air in June, July, August, September and October. They're hardly in the workhouse.
Their current contract ends at the end of this year and I wouldn't be surprised if Lygo/Greene have got something else out of them as well as their current shows in the next deal. |
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I used to watch Have I Got News For You all.the time but a constant use of guest hosts of varying quality put me off it. It was at its best with Angus as host.
Obviously, there's the occasional clunker when there's a guest host who's like a rabbit in the headlights. |
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I expect a name change for Encore in the future.
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And they're off the air in June, July, August, September and October. They're hardly in the workhouse.
You do highlight how September and October for Takeaway would space them out better. I imagine they are quite happy to have the summer off so that they can do their own thing. |
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Exactly. ITV could definitely get more out of them if they chose to.
At least Ant and Dec aren't off the air for eight months at a time. |
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Exactly. ITV could definitely get more out of them if they chose to. They did Red or Black in September for a couple of years alongside their usual workload so there's definitely scope. They did the Prince's Trust documentary last year which took a fair bit of time through the year and took Takeaway on a nationwide tour the year before. If they wanted a Christmas a Takeaway they could just film it the week after the regular series ends whilst the set is still up. I know they have BGT after Takeaway but most of that is pre-recorded in January/February anyway.
Their current contract ends at the end of this year and I wouldn't be surprised if Lygo/Greene have got something else out of them as well as their current shows in the next deal. |
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I think MM Big Show will match TXF on Saturday. I predict it will beat it without +1.
Its clever scheduling by the BBC, and will suite the audience who watch SCD even more. I suspect ever year now, the BBC will be looing at big shows to put against TXF as it continues to dwindle in numbers each year. Splashed right in the middle of primetime, surrounded by flopping shows as BBC1 grows stronger, once TXF does die, ITV will be left with a schedule which can barely muster anything over 3m. This is why I believe ITV should be pushing TXF forward into the schedules to start at an earlier time, enabling something to launch off the back of TXF. By 2019 I can't see TXF lasting any further series. So now is the time to start looking for big shows to go in the post-TXF slot. ITV need to start thinking BIG. Its fine to keep commissioing smaller shows, but some bigger ideas need to come to fruition. Easier said than done, but like with the BBC, look for some spin-offs that could be inspired by existing shows. |
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The X Factor should be at 6pm and out of the way before 8pm. Does't deserve that primetime slot in the schedule once live shows come along. It gets demos but doesn't get volume in viewers like it used to. So try to launch something else at 8pm. 8pm is seen as a great timeslot on Saturday and Sunday with more viewers being around than earlier in the evening.
Also, let's then optimise the hour of the evening with most eyes on TVs by launching a completely new, unknown programme which won't match XF in numbers, share, demos, brand recognition or profits! |
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The X Factor should be at 6pm and out of the way before 8pm. Does't deserve that primetime slot in the schedule once live shows come along. It gets demos but doesn't get volume in viewers like it used to. So try to launch something else at 8pm. 8pm is seen as a great timeslot on Saturday and Sunday with more viewers being around than earlier in the evening.
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The X Factor should be at 6pm and out of the way before 8pm. Does't deserve that primetime slot in the schedule once live shows come along. It gets demos but doesn't get volume in viewers like it used to. So try to launch something else at 8pm. 8pm is seen as a great timeslot on Saturday and Sunday with more viewers being around than earlier in the evening.
Because, even though X Factor rates low compared to Strictly and I'm A Celebrity and its own past, it still rates high for a LE show and it has a very high and very valuable 16-34 audience. |
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Sure, let's move it 2 hours earlier and make a 6m show a 4m show.
Also, let's then optimise the hour of the evening with most eyes on TVs by launching a completely new, unknown programme which won't match XF in numbers, share, demos, brand recognition or profits! We can see from Planet Earth2 there is 9 million viewers around who will switch on to that, so XF occupies that slot and only interests 6 million. If it's on at 6 pm, the young target teen market can then go out later to parties and films. |
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Sure, let's move it 2 hours earlier and make a 6m show a 4m show.
Also, let's then optimise the hour of the evening with most eyes on TVs by launching a completely new, unknown programme which won't match XF in numbers, share, demos, brand recognition or profits! |
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Does anyone with a Digiguide subscription have any BBC schedules for week beginning 26th Nov and w/b 3rd December? I have full ITV schedules for the first week, and provisionals for the second week, but no BBC schedules.
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Sure, let's move it 2 hours earlier and make a 6m show a 4m show.
Also, let's then optimise the hour of the evening with most eyes on TVs by launching a completely new, unknown programme which won't match XF in numbers, share, demos, brand recognition or profits! |
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The X Factor should be at 6pm and out of the way before 8pm. Does't deserve that primetime slot in the schedule once live shows come along. It gets demos but doesn't get volume in viewers like it used to. So try to launch something else at 8pm. 8pm is seen as a great timeslot on Saturday and Sunday with more viewers being around than earlier in the evening.
I don't think it would help them launch new 8pm shows because SCD would be on from 7:30. You'll hate this idea, I do too, but I could see them making 8pm a drama slot. Get an 'epic' drama and you mighr have a winning hand. The simpler solution is swap XF with Takeaway and BGT. The problem there is IAC would be in January which isn't as lucrative. BGT in December would be huge though. Ant and Dec are the most successful presenters on tv but you could argue that they aren't needed on BGT. It'd be crazy risky but you could try different presenters allowing IAC to stay in Nov/Dec with BGT (kerching) and it could mean a new Ant and Dec show around March. That show would bridge the gap between the Voice and XF. #fantasyScheduler |
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Does anyone with a Digiguide subscription have any BBC schedules for week beginning 26th Nov and w/b 3rd December? I have full ITV schedules for the first week, and provisionals for the second week, but no BBC schedules.
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