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Old 12-11-2016, 20:30
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When did the ratings thread turn into the ITV scheduling thread?
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:30
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That's an odd way of viewing key prime time slots? Are you saying ITV is so dysfunctional as a broadcaster that it's beyond it to find successful half-hour formats that would have a c6million lead-in from Coronation Street?
Yes I am.

In the current climate it's lucky to get 5m for acclaimed shows, and other than Paul O Grady's Dogs which gets 4m if it's lucky, it's had no success pre-9pm outside the soaps.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:31
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And presumably find (and fund) new shows that can pull 6-8m from 7.30-10pm every single night? Do you really think that's feasible?
For ITV, Yes, the BBC couldn't do it,

Speculate to acululate, if you invest in a strong line up, be bold, viewers will come back, more viewers more advertising more income.

You can do business to ways.

Adam Crozier, cut costs, cut budgets, cut programmes, make small profit on smaller cost base. Over rely on say three big shows to make most if your profit, BGT a banker, IAC a banker, and the under performing XF.

Or try new things,

The nightly chat show will not have high cost.
But use films, sport, etc, and move around what you have.

Invest in new shows yes increases costs but will bring in more viewers and income.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:31
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LMAO do one mate, I am calm!
I don't think so but k

Back to real schedules and I think both SCD and X Factor will be up on last week after bonfire night.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:31
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For ITV, Yes, the BBC couldn't do it,

Speculate to acululate, if you invest in a strong line up, be bold, viewers will come back, more viewers more advertising more income.
The BBC would be more likely to be able to pull it off than ITV, if you ask me!
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:32
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I don't think so but k
Aww hun, I don't really care what you think!

Back to real schedules and I think both SCD and X Factor will be up on last week after bonfire night.
I think bears sh*t in the woods too!
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:33
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When did the ratings thread turn into the ITV scheduling thread?
Thread police out in force!

Discussing how ITV could reorganise its schedule in light of the potential new Late Show and 6th CS to maximise ratings is just as on topic as never-ending XF vs SCD discussion.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:35
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Aww hun, I don't really care what you think!
Fine. Shouldn't you be watching X Factor?

I think bears sh*t in the woods too!
Well with X Factor failing to pick any hype whatsoever I wouldn't call it that obvious.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:37
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The BBC would be more likely to be able to pull it off than ITV, if you ask me!
Understand with a set income they should be able to take risks, but with LF frozen and costs added in its harder. ITV can maximise income with better shows.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:37
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Fine. Shouldn't you be watching X Factor?
It's dull tonight.

Well with X Factor failing to pick any hype whatsoever I wouldn't call it that obvious.
You're the one who said both would be up on last week!
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:38
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Fine. Shouldn't you be watching X Factor?



Well with X Factor failing to pick any hype whatsoever I wouldn't call it that obvious.
Forums go busy about 8.10 to 9.30 that tells you something, Michael will do well next week.

XF will be down again tonight. ( due to the moon being close to us on Monday, sorry no fireworks or Halloween to blame).
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:38
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It's dull tonight.



You're the one who said both would be up on last week!
I meant it would probably be up slightly, not by any reasonable numbers (500k+).
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:40
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Understand with a set income they should be able to take risks, but with LF frozen and costs added in its harder. ITV can maximise income with better shows.
It's not quite that simple though, especially not in the 8pm hour - especially with the currently gridlocked-with-soap schedules! And that gridlock includes EastEnders' involvement btw.

Don't think ITV are convinced there's enough viewers to justify the effort anymore. It would be flop after flop, loss after loss, axing after axing. I'd like to think otherwise but I just don't think there's much creativity at 8pm.

I meant it would probably be up slightly, not by any reasonable numbers (500k+).
Um, okay ...

I think it's fair to assume figures will be up this week as last Saturday was November 5th and it's pitch black at 5pm now. Hence the 'bears' comment. There was no mention of by how much - I don't think XF will be up by loads either. But let's not get into why that is - that'll be for tomorrow no doubt.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:41
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I meant it would probably be up slightly, not by any reasonable numbers (500k+).
Well you have an agenda.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:42
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My question to you is this:

You have to schedule 6 episodes of Emmerdale and 6 episodes of Coronation Street in a week and you are controller of ITV. Your job is to maximise the channel's performance throughout the week. Where do you schedule these episodes?



As much as I'd hate it, I'd put the Thursday 8.00pm episode of Emmerdale and sixth Corrie on Sunday. So you'd have Emmerdale Monday to Friday at 7.00pm and Corrie as it is during the week. That would leave space for flexibility on weeknights for 2 hour dramas to play on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday or other specials/light entertainment etc.

What I would have preferred is moving the Friday 8.30pm Corrie and Thursday at 8.00pm Emmerdale to Sunday to free up the weeknight schedule. Same number of soap episodes and space to do other programmes. We get extra soap when channels fail to find hits. Friday at 8.30pm on ITV used to have sitcoms. Some weeks Watching was as big as Coronation Street at 7.30pm on Fridays..

I do think it's the lack of programmes outside soaps that have lost ITV viewers. Viewers will return when a good programme is on. Downton Abbey threw a hand grenade into people's perceptions of ITV. Then the magnificence of Broadchurch. Victoria and The Durrells have been great. A few more high end/popular dramas, putting drama back on Tuesday at 9pm, a comedy push. I think ITV has had lots of good things over the last few years and they have brought in viewers. Carry on like that and the viewers will watch.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:42
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It's not quite that simple though, especially not in the 8pm hour - especially with the currently gridlocked-with-soap schedules! And that gridlock includes EastEnders' involvement btw.

Don't think ITV are convinced there's enough viewers to justify the effort anymore. It would be flop after flop, loss after loss, axing after axing. I'd like to think otherwise but I just don't think there's much creativity at 8pm.
I think a few will be surprised by this post.

Now is the time to do it, EE is weak, if I was running ITV I would schedule bold new programming against EE, not any soap, but entertainment. An example Martin Lewis fir an hour against Holby may get four million. Bold move.

Like the chat show/ News at ten, do the opposite of BBC1. ITV can't win the ten o'clock news slot, so do something that will erode BBC1.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:44
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Yes I am.

In the current climate it's lucky to get 5m for acclaimed shows, and other than Paul O Grady's Dogs which gets 4m if it's lucky, it's had no success pre-9pm outside the soaps.
That's a rather defeatist way of looking at it.

Off the top of my head, why couldn't ITV do this:

8.00 - 9.00 on a Monday - factual against EastEnders

8.30 on a Tuesday - game shows on rotation
Family Fortunes, Strike it Lucky, Wheel of Fortune, Play Your Cards Right etc would all be capable of c4million + which would be a more than respectable rating.

8.00 - 9.00 on a Wednesday - light entertainment / 2 hour dramas
An updated version of the Des O'Connor Tonight type format, Palladium, This Time Next Year, etc...

8.30 on a Thursday - sit-coms / comedy sketch shows / panel shows on rotation
Birds of a Feather (Which does already rate well in a pre-watershed slot), Goodnight Sweetheart (which is available), new commissions, etc...

8.00 - 9.00 on a Friday - factual against EastEnders
Paul O'Grady's Dogs, Martin Lewis, Travel shows, etc...

No reason why this wouldn't produce better results than the current output and for the country's biggest and most profitable commercial broadcaster (excluding SKY who have a very different business model) that type of commissioning shouldn't break the bank.

The real issue (IMO) is that ITV doesn't really have a major free-to-air commercial rival capable of regularly out-rating them in prime time and this is reflected in its programming strategy.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:45
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LMAO do one mate, I am calm! You haven't responded to my reply to your other post, btw?
I can vouch for this. James IS calm. If he was angry we'd know about it. As you were James!
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:47
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As much as I'd hate it I'd put the Thursday 8.00pm episode of Emmerdale and sixth Corrie on Sunday. So you'd have Emmerdale Monday to Friday at 7.00pm and Corrie as it is during the week. That would leave space for flexibility on weeknights for 2 hour dramas to play on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday or other specials/light entertainment etc. What I would have preferred is moving the Friday 8.30pm Corrie and Thursday at 8.00pm Emmerdale to Sunday to free up the weeknight schedule. Same number of soap episodes and space to do other programmes. We get extra soap when channels fail to find hits. Friday at 8.30pm on ITV used to have sitcoms. Some weeks Watching was as big as Coronation Street at 7.30pm on Fridays..

I do think it's the lack of programmes outside soaps that have lost ITV viewers. Viewers will return when a good programme is on. Downton Abbey threw a hand grenade into people's perceptions of ITV. Then the magnificence of Broadchurch. Victoria and The Durrells have been great. A few more high end/popular dramas, putting drama back on Tuesday at 9pm, a comedy push. I think ITV has had lots of good things over the last few years and they have brought in viewers. Carry on like that and the viewers will watch.
Fair points - but those double episodes on Monday and Friday are most irksome - and your solution still leaves a void on Tuesday and Thursday for ITV from 8pm onwards (especially with the loss of the 8.00pm ED on Thursday).

To your second paragraph, I think the TV industry has obviously become so fragmented now and ratings have fallen so much as a result of more channels and VoD/internet/Netflix that there is less point (from ITV's perspective) in investing as much in new shows before 9pm. I don't think it's necessarily ALL the soaps fault.

I personally would love if ITV brought back pre-watershed drama instead of upping soap episodes. More long-running shows like The Bill to air as almost-soaps with longer runs (20 or so). That would be my personal solution to the issue, and like you I'd restore 7-8pm on Sunday for soaps and ditch the 5th Corrie and 6th Emmerdale so drop an episode of each. But that's fantasy and ITV don't seem to want to try out 8pm drama series.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:49
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Here's some ratings news for you.

Given the word of mouth Planet Earth 2 has passed 11m after several days of catch up viewing. Where it will end up in the final consolidated ratings will be fun to see.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:50
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Here's some ratings news for you.

Given the word of mouth Planet Earth 2 has passed 11m after several days of catch up viewing. Where it will end up in the final consolidated ratings will be fun to see.
Now this is a program that deserves to do well. Stunning viewing, glad people see the natural world as stunning and interesting.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:52
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Here's some ratings news for you.

Given the word of mouth Planet Earth 2 has passed 11m after several days of catch up viewing. Where it will end up in the final consolidated ratings will be fun to see.
No surprises here and well deserved - a show the country should be proud of. World class.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:53
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Here's some ratings news for you.

Given the word of mouth Planet Earth 2 has passed 11m after several days of catch up viewing. Where it will end up in the final consolidated ratings will be fun to see.
Hurray! Some actual ratings
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:55
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Well you have an agenda.
No, but I can think of a few who have.
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Old 12-11-2016, 20:55
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Hurray! Some actual ratings
Obviously you know this full well, but 'actual ratings' don't comprise the entirety of this thread - and never have. This thread has always been a larger discussion which branches off onto different topics related to the UK broadcasters and their shows.

So... stop being passive aggressive and bitchy?
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