Hey guys, ADP's now disputing BARB. Wonder if he'll do the same for the Bake Off, SCD figures etc.?

Very much indicative of the special ties between the AEC and BBC given the current deal still had 3 or 4 years still on it iirc . Both owe a debt of gratitude to Andy Murray imo for providing a rare impetus for British Tennis and some memorable ratings. Lets hope he can stay at the very top for at least the next three years or so.

She's pregnant. Her hormones will be all over the place.

Really hope The Voice UK bombs next year. ITV guilty of sharp practice in poaching the series off the BBC, but the BBC should never have bought it in the first place. Bought for all the wrong reasons - the shameless pursuit of ratings - and Danny wotsits just gave the BBC's enemies a big stick with which to beat them. Plus the inability to create a new music star loses it credibility (although ITV not restricted by the BBC's dumb-ass "we can't be seen to be too commercial" nonsense. Do it properly or don't do it at all.)

A rubbish programme that hyped its way to rating it didn't deserve (and ITV don't have the same cross-media promotional opportunities that the BBC has, so there's a disadvantage for a start). A television equivalent of the Emperor's New Clothes. You're all looking at a naked programme, viewers.

Yes, yes, YES - I agree 100%!

Yes, it showed tonight.

It relates because it shows that it's hard to draw big ratings from current music. Radio 1 is struggling and so is music on TV. TOTP is gone and MTV is TV without the M. The music is so disparate these days with a lack of genre or artist dominance. Millennials get all the music they can eat from the internet now.

Yes BGT and SCD still deliver but they're not music shows. SCD is people wanting to watch celebrities dance which really is the same phenomena as people wanting to watch celebrities in a 'jungle' eating testicles.

BGT is a variety show, much more related to New Faces and Opportunity Knocks than it is XF, Idol or the Voice.

I agree with you (yes really!) that the Voice would be better chasing a very different audience to XF and going for a more Radio 2 demographic. That means being a singing rather than a performance contest and singing less current songs. XF has actually gone in that direction this year too to be fair.

But the Voice and Let it Shine are 4-6m shows. In January you might clear 5m with just a 23% share.

Let's look at some BARB facts.

A 16.6 million show in 2010 gets 6.2 million now.
Since the pre recorded shows XF lost more viewers. - fact.
Last weekend a modest rise week in week, but a fall on 2014 and 2015 same Show.
In fact 1.5 million lost since 2014.
If it waddles, has feathers and quacks, it's a duck. Or as Teresa May would say 6.2 million is 6.2 million, not 9.5 million.

Like a man swimming in Cairo, you are in denial.

For someone who doesn't like X Factor, you don't half spent a lot of time going on about it.

Why not accept that it has fallen and is now at 6-7 million. It's not going to magically jump up to over 10 million.

So many false comparables there and you know it. Behave lad/ladette.

Mostly agree and thank you for a good response.

R1 - is down to the availability of music by so many channels, R2 with an older audience dies well.

Radio playing music differs from a music talent competition.

XF has destroyed the singing contest franchise with either reality or perception, of manipulation, fixing, auto tune, miming, poor research, contestants taking/ have taken drugs, or done GBH. And a focus on judges not talent.

TVUK has been up to now more pure, more up market, more talent and coaching than judging. It's down to schedules, it could be 5 m each, or up to 8 million each.

Banging on about The X factor and it's only Thursday.

You're right. He's late!

Geez! break it to 'em gently!!!

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Totally agree the BBC shouldn't get into bidding wars for content that will end up on another terrestrial channel.

You know, I really don't think it is! I suspect that there's really very little crossover between the two audiences.

I think for anyone to say that The Voice is not about the judges amazes me.

So ... they shouldn't ever buy another series again just in case another channel might one day get it into its head to bid more at renewal? You don't think that's tying the hands of the BBC commissioners just a tad too tight, Mr Whittingdale? Or shall I call you, John?

I mean a celebrity reality/talent show is the same animal - be that SCD or DoI or IAC or CBB or Splash!.
I don't think they're that much like talent shows for the general public. Clearly there's plenty of similarities, I admit.

Of the 10m who watch IAC and SCD, wild guess, 6m watch both. I reckon a higher percentage of Apprentice viewers crossover to IAC.

I do think it's a pity that Popstars and all descendants got lumped in to the reality bucket with Big Brother.

Isn't there a difference between those 'talent shows' whereby a skill is taught and learnt? I would lump Strictly, The Apprentice, DoI and GBBO together. Big Brother/Celebs In The Jungle/The Voice/BGT and Ex Factor all together.

Not sure quite what that means. At the end of the day, how do you define "content that will end up on another terrestrial channel"? It could represent anything that turns out to be popular, comprising films, entertainment sport etc-in fact a whole range of genre. The BBC still is able to acquire populist content, The Voice was bought after a succession of dull cheap failed entertainment formats came and went. It will be replaced by Let it Shine and Lets Dance which will to me at least point towards a past which should have been left behind. Im not sure there will be any winners here.

I would put GBBO with BGT and XF/Voice. It's a contest to be the best at something for the general public. Masterchef, Hell's Kitchen and Choir would be there too.

Yes SCD is different to IAC in that the celebrities do have to master a skill, like Splash! or the Jump. None of them change lives though; what used to be called 'starmaker' shows.

You've got more chance of changing your life going on Catchphrase than on the talent shows, though.

Just seen The Missing's first episode consolidated to 9.2M

That's got to be the biggest drama launch for a good while on any channel, possibly since The Night Manager.

http://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/weekly-top-10/

Is anyone else on here really hoping series 10 of Doctor Who does well and ratings go up? I'm in fear the BBC might cancel it if it drops again in the next series.

I collect the figures, and there has been a marked decline in the production of these in the last few years. During DT run as the Doctor, we had almost 15+ new figures released every year

And I'm disappointed there has been no new series this year. Moffatt is clearly got to much on his plate, what with Sherlock & Doctor Who.