The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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sunbeam007

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Score:
“Given that until Planet Earth came along they were winning Sundays 8-10pm that seems a bit pessimistic. It's not like Planet Earth will be back next year, it's very much a one off special. Victoria beat Poldark each week and XF results are still solid.

I agree about Saturdays, it is tough. The 6-8pm block is a nightmare for them. They need to just keep plugging away with new shows. Ideally they'd do what BBC1 has with McIntyre and find a hit in an easier time of year and then move it. Still easier said than done though.”

That is correct. It's what they should have done with GFI and MTP and why I'd give them both a second series. I doubt that'll happen as I get the impression that Lygo was 'happy' to see these shows fail. Rather like some dramas. If so, he may still reup Magician as that's doing okay.

The easiest solution is to move XF to spring 2018 and let BGT look after the autumn. But that's a bandaid solution. I don't know if Magician can be live, that'd certainly give a major edge to it.

6:30 - Family Fortunes
7:30 - Magician Live.
8:30 - XF
10 - Ross.

If need be, bring the three earlier shows forward to quarter past the hour.

Sundays aren't a problem for ITV as, sadly, Planet Earth will probably be the last huge nature show on TV for many years. Maybe very many years.

ITV has a problem on Saturdays in autumn. BBC1 may have a problem on Saturdays for most of the rest of the year.

Fudd

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“...indeed, and what the Beeb has which ITV doesn't really is variety and quality.”

What the BBC has, and can afford to do, is have shows aimed at the older demographic meaning they have a naturally higher starting base. It's the same reason why Coronation Street and Emmerdale are holding up better than EastEnders - they skew older.

But it's interesting you mention variety as, in many ways, you're absolutely right but in other ways...

Put it this way; across the year ITV have 180 minutes of Emmerdale and soon to be 180 minutes of Coronation Street per week. That's 360 minutes including ads of the same shows. Is Tonight regularly shown? If so, that makes it 390.

The BBC have 180 minutes of The One Show, 120 minutes of EastEnders, generally 60 minutes of Holby City and 50 minutes of Casualty. The breaks the latter two take are relatively miniscule, as is The One Show's summer break which they sometimes fill up with 'The Best Of'. That's 410 minutes taken up by the same shows.

So the BBC may have more variety but their schedule is far more rigid too.

wizzywick

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Was there a problem with BBC One SD too then?”

No. But the signals for HD are often a miniscule of a second out. Remember the old clock they used before the News before digital? Well, one reason they got rid of the clock was because the time was about half a second out of sync on digital than it was on analogue.

Now TV pictures are broadcast in digital and very rarely you might experience that same half second glitch when the pictures are transferred from SD to HD. In the same way the glitch happened in the clock when it went from analogue to digital. It is very rare though and had the remembrance festival been broadcast live last week, there is the possibility the same problem might have occurred then too. The acoustics of a building can add to the problem.

cylon6

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“One wonders how close the XF numbers would be to last year were it not being assaulted in the schedules by our wonderful, untouchable PSB. Probably not matching, due to a line-up considered weak and natural decline, but perhaps within 200-300k of it.”

If X Factor held its audience over the years as well as other talent shows this wouldn't be a conversation. It has been comfortably ahead of Merlin, Atlantis and Doctor Who on Saturday. On Sunday it was always ahead of Antiques Roadshow. Now it's barely ahead on overnight ratings while ratings BBC1 have had in those timeslots have stayed more or less the same for several years. BBC1 are bringing their own audience to the night and X Factor isn't destination viewing like it used to be. X Factor's problems are closer to home and we all know it.

sunbeam007

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“What the BBC has, and can afford to do, is have shows aimed at the older demographic meaning they have a naturally higher starting base. It's the same reason why Coronation Street and Emmerdale are holding up better than EastEnders - they skew older.

But it's interesting you mention variety as, in many ways, you're absolutely right but in other ways...

Put it this way; across the year ITV have 180 minutes of Emmerdale and soon to be 180 minutes of Coronation Street per week. That's 360 minutes including ads of the same shows. Is Tonight regularly shown? If so, that makes it 390.

The BBC have 180 minutes of The One Show, 120 minutes of EastEnders, generally 60 minutes of Holby City and 50 minutes of Casualty. The breaks the latter two take are relatively miniscule, as is The One Show's summer break which they sometimes fill up with 'The Best Of'. That's 410 minutes taken up by the same shows.

So the BBC may have more variety but their schedule is far more rigid too.”

And Countryfile and Antiques are blocks on Sunday. Actually, the lottery quizzes block a lot of Saturday. The BBC has had far less variety on weekends and has massively gained from some change this month .

Zac Quinn

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by catterall1:
“Strictly was amazing tonight and hopefully it gets near 11m, they shouldnt have put the 4 best dancers all at the beginning and spread them throughout the show but Louise and Kevin`s Paso was absolutely stunning and had me on my feet

Can we all agree that even if you dont like the show the Strictly band and singers create an absolute incredible sound no matter what style of song they are doing, either it be the instrumental of the Paso tonight or the vocals on Gangnam Style last week.....they can perform anything and have the XFactor!!!”

Disagree entirely, now they've got rid of Bruce the dreadful cheesey covers band are the only thing left making the show feel awkward.. why they must insist on using cruise ship singers I don't know.

wizzywick

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Disagree entirely, now they've got rid of Bruce the dreadful cheesey covers band are the only thing left making the show feel awkward.. why they must insist on using cruise ship singers I don't know.”

Are you kidding? Dave Arch's orchestra and singers are awesome. You do realise it was the band and singers playing "Gangnam Style" last week don't you? I couldn't tell the difference, they were so good.

welshfoxy

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Oh it's been miles better-produced than 2015, I agree. But I think 2014 was possibly the best-produced series ever, the final 16 were all incredibly talented and the sets had a very 'high quality' feel to them, in terms of lighting, atmosphere etc. It felt really big-budget IMO and I don't think it'll top that again.

On a similar note, I think many get blinded by 'ratings nostalgia' over 2008-11. Folk need to see that, yes many were watching then, but they weren't necessarily the best productions.”

How would you know Dan, you've only been watching it since the amazing year of 2013

cylon6

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Saturday 19 November 2016 Ratings Roundup
BBC 1
17:00: Tennis: World Tour Finals - 3.48m (21.9%)
* from 17:00-17:55
17:55: BBC News - 4.75m (27.4%)
18:10: Pointless Celebrities - 4.32m (23.5%)
18:55: Strictly Come Dancing - 10.97m (48.7%)
* 18:55-20:10 - 10.71m (47.8%)
* peak - 11.90m (51.4%) at 20:00
20:10: Michael McIntyre's Big Show - 6.18m (28.5%)
21:10: Casualty - 4.38m (20.3%)
22:00: The National Lottery Live - 3.14m (15.5%)
22:10: BBC News - 3.93m (20.8%)
22:30: Match of the Day - 3.03m (26.1%)

ITV (inc. +1)
17:30: ITV Regional News - 2.22m (13.7%)
17:45: ITV News and Weather - 2.36m (13.7%)
18:00: Tipping Point - 2.89m (15.7%)
19:00: Meet the Parents - 2.03m (9.1%)
20:00: The X Factor - 6.13m (28.2%)
* 20:00-21:25 - 5.92m (27.2%)
* peak - 7.19m (33.2%) at 21:10
21:25: I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! - 7.98m (38.0%)
* peak - 8.53m (39.1%) at 21:55
22:25: ITV News and Weather - 3.19m (19.3%)”

Originally Posted by craigym:
“Casualty remained very consistent despite IAC clash”

Thanks Lewie.

Extra viewers coming to TV last night looking at those ratings for X Factor and Casualty. That's what I'm A Celebrity does and Strictly always gets a boost for Blackpool week....but that's a hell of a boost! One of the best non final ratings in years.

Roscoe Barnes

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Score:
“X Factor averaged 6.13m (28.2%)”

Up 0.1m against last week.

Originally Posted by Score:
“Michael McIntyre pipped The X Factor - he averaged 6.18m.”

Goodness. Did not expect to see 6.2m for MM. I was thinking around 4.5m-ish.

Originally Posted by Markynotts:
“
IAC - 7.98m (38.0%) which i believe is up on last year”

Decent enough and up 0.6m against last year.

Originally Posted by Score:
“Nope, tapechecked Strictly averaged a whopping 10.97m (48.8%).”

Wow! 11.0m for Strictly's Blackpool special. Amazing rating. Is that the highest Blackpool rating ever?

Oliver_Tomlinso

20-11-2016

Tonight's ratings will be interesting, another rise for planet earth 2?

Ash_M1

20-11-2016

I agree. Hair, make-up, lighting, costume, Dave Arch and The Strictly Singers (Hayley, Lance, Tommy and Andrea) all contribute to make BBC Strictly the best production currently on British television. The band are so versatile. They have so much material to learn each week too. Proper pros.

dennisboy

20-11-2016

Brilliant for SCD - is that the biggest gap ever between it and X Factor? X Factor barely getting over 6m even with the repeat included.

Roscoe Barnes

20-11-2016

lewie - if you're around. Can you please post last weekends XF numbers exc +1 please? I seem to recall the +1 numbers been posted but I can't find them on here. Thanks.

lewiep93

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“lewie - if you're around. Can you please post last weekends XF numbers exc +1 please? I seem to recall the +1 numbers been posted but I can't find them on here. Thanks. ”

Saturday - 5.85m (27.6%)
Sunday - 6.21m (23.5%)

And here's all of the ratings so far

The X Factor 2016 Ratings

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The X Factor 2016 Ratings
Episode						Overnight/Share			Official/Timeshift
Auditions 1 (27 August 2016)			6.25m/6.80m (31.2%/34.0%)	7.89m/8.52m (+1.64m/+1.72m)
Auditions 2 (28 August 2016)			5.73m/6.25m (28.4%/31.0%)	7.32m/7.93m (+1.59m/+1.68m)
Auditions 3 (03 September 2016)			7.78m/8.28m (36.7%/39.1%)	9.52m/10.05m (+1.74m/+1.77m)
Auditions 4 (04 September 2016)			7.26m/7.64m (31.5%/33.1%)	8.66m/9.07m (+1.40m/+1.43m)
Auditions 5 (10 September 2016)			6.86m/7.44m (32.9%/35.7%)	8.36m/9.02m (+1.50m/+1.58m)
Auditions 6 (11 September 2016)			6.87m/7.20m (31.0%/32.5%)	8.15m/8.51m (+1.28m/+1.31m)
Auditions 7 (17 September 2016)			7.28m/7.60m (36.4%/38.0%)	8.88m/9.21m (+1.60m/+1.61m)
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Bootcamp (18 September 2016)			6.48m/6.81m (29.6%/31.1%)	7.82m/8.17m (+1.34m/+1.36m)
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Six-Chair Challenge 1 (24 September 2016)	6.79m/7.08m (33.8%/35.3%)	8.40m/8.73m (+1.61m/+1.65m)
Six-Chair Challenge 2 (25 September 2016)	6.64m/7.09m (30.6%/32.7%)	7.94m/8.52m (+1.30m/+1.43m)
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Judges Houses 1 (01 October 2016)		6.47m/6.81m (31.2%/32.8%)	8.23m/8.59m (+1.76m/+1.78m)
Judges Houses 2 (02 October 2016)		6.07m/6.37m (26.6%/27.9%)	7.49m/7.83m (+1.42m/+1.46m)
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Live Show 1 (08 October 2016)			5.84m/6.21m (27.4%/29.1%)	7.18m/7.57m (+1.34m/+1.36m)
Results 1 (09 October 2016)			6.29m/6.50m (27.4%/28.3%)       7.16m/7.39m (+0.87m/+0.89m)
Live Show 2 (15 October 2016)			5.47m/5.76m (26.6%/28.0%)	6.63m/7.01m (+1.16m/+1.25m)
Results 2 (16 October 2016)			6.37m/6.66m (27.4%/28.7%)	7.04m/7.34m (+0.67m/+0.68m)
Live Show 3 (22 October 2016)			5.67m/5.94m (27.6%/28.9%)	6.82m/7.12m (+1.15m/+1.18m)
Results 3 (23 October 2016)			6.30m/6.52m (27.3%/28.3%)       6.99m/7.22m (+0.69m/+0.70m)
Live Show 4 (29 October 2016)			5.38m/5.67m (26.3%/27.7%)	6.71m/7.04m (+1.33m/+1.37m)
Results 4 (30 October 2016)			5.93m/6.22m (24.1%/25.3%)	6.62m/6.92m (+0.69m/+0.70m)
Live Show 5 (05 November 2016)			5.33m/5.60m (26.0%/27.3%)       6.42m/6.72m (+1.09m/+1.12m)		
Results 5 (06 November 2016)			6.22m/6.49m (24.2%/25.3%)       6.83m/7.13m (+0.61m/+0.64m)		
Live Show 6 (12 November 2016)			5.85m/6.03m (27.6%/28.5%)
Results 6 (13 November 2016)			6.21m/6.38m (23.5%/24.1%)
Live Show 7 (19 November 2016)                  6.13m (28.2%) inc. +1

H of De Vil

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Saturday 19 November 2016 Ratings Roundup
BBC 1
17:00: Tennis: World Tour Finals - 3.48m (21.9%)
* from 17:00-17:55
17:55: BBC News - 4.75m (27.4%)
18:10: Pointless Celebrities - 4.32m (23.5%)
18:55: Strictly Come Dancing - 10.97m (48.7%)
* 18:55-20:10 - 10.71m (47.8%)
* peak - 11.90m (51.4%) at 20:00
20:10: Michael McIntyre's Big Show - 6.18m (28.5%)
21:10: Casualty - 4.38m (20.3%)
22:00: The National Lottery Live - 3.14m (15.5%)
22:10: BBC News - 3.93m (20.8%)
22:30: Match of the Day - 3.03m (26.1%)

ITV (inc. +1)
17:30: ITV Regional News - 2.22m (13.7%)
17:45: ITV News and Weather - 2.36m (13.7%)
18:00: Tipping Point - 2.89m (15.7%)
19:00: Meet the Parents - 2.03m (9.1%)
20:00: The X Factor - 6.13m (28.2%)
* 20:00-21:25 - 5.92m (27.2%)
* peak - 7.19m (33.2%) at 21:10
21:25: I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! - 7.98m (38.0%)
* peak - 8.53m (39.1%) at 21:55
22:25: ITV News and Weather - 3.19m (19.3%)”

BBC1 had a good night, but they usually do when the skew old like the above. They couldn't really go wrong with McIntyre following SCD.

The rating for Pointless, despite scheduled in at the last minute, does it suggest the audience would have watched anything the BBC put in that slot given its sandwich between BBC News and SCD?

Meet The Parents continues to rate apallingly. Its funny isn't it. ITV go through so many LE shows in a year, most flop, very few actually rate over 4m. BBC1 do very few LE shows, just showing the same every year, but of the few new LE shows they show, they equal the same number of new hits found as ITV, despite showing less.

Roscoe Barnes

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Saturday - 5.85m (27.6%)
Sunday - 6.21m (23.5%)

And here's all of the ratings so far

The X Factor 2016 Ratings

Code:

The X Factor 2016 Ratings Episode Overnight/Share Official/Timeshift Auditions 1 (27 August 2016) 6.25m/6.80m (31.2%/34.0%) 7.89m/8.52m (+1.64m/+1.72m) Auditions 2 (28 August 2016) 5.73m/6.25m (28.4%/31.0%) 7.32m/7.93m (+1.59m/+1.68m) Auditions 3 (03 September 2016) 7.78m/8.28m (36.7%/39.1%) 9.52m/10.05m (+1.74m/+1.77m) Auditions 4 (04 September 2016) 7.26m/7.64m (31.5%/33.1%) 8.66m/9.07m (+1.40m/+1.43m) Auditions 5 (10 September 2016) 6.86m/7.44m (32.9%/35.7%) 8.36m/9.02m (+1.50m/+1.58m) Auditions 6 (11 September 2016) 6.87m/7.20m (31.0%/32.5%) 8.15m/8.51m (+1.28m/+1.31m) Auditions 7 (17 September 2016) 7.28m/7.60m (36.4%/38.0%) 8.88m/9.21m (+1.60m/+1.61m) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bootcamp (18 September 2016) 6.48m/6.81m (29.6%/31.1%) 7.82m/8.17m (+1.34m/+1.36m) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Six-Chair Challenge 1 (24 September 2016) 6.79m/7.08m (33.8%/35.3%) 8.40m/8.73m (+1.61m/+1.65m) Six-Chair Challenge 2 (25 September 2016) 6.64m/7.09m (30.6%/32.7%) 7.94m/8.52m (+1.30m/+1.43m) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Judges Houses 1 (01 October 2016) 6.47m/6.81m (31.2%/32.8%) 8.23m/8.59m (+1.76m/+1.78m) Judges Houses 2 (02 October 2016) 6.07m/6.37m (26.6%/27.9%) 7.49m/7.83m (+1.42m/+1.46m) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live Show 1 (08 October 2016) 5.84m/6.21m (27.4%/29.1%) 7.18m/7.57m (+1.34m/+1.36m) Results 1 (09 October 2016) 6.29m/6.50m (27.4%/28.3%) 7.16m/7.39m (+0.87m/+0.89m) Live Show 2 (15 October 2016) 5.47m/5.76m (26.6%/28.0%) 6.63m/7.01m (+1.16m/+1.25m) Results 2 (16 October 2016) 6.37m/6.66m (27.4%/28.7%) 7.04m/7.34m (+0.67m/+0.68m) Live Show 3 (22 October 2016) 5.67m/5.94m (27.6%/28.9%) 6.82m/7.12m (+1.15m/+1.18m) Results 3 (23 October 2016) 6.30m/6.52m (27.3%/28.3%) 6.99m/7.22m (+0.69m/+0.70m) Live Show 4 (29 October 2016) 5.38m/5.67m (26.3%/27.7%) 6.71m/7.04m (+1.33m/+1.37m) Results 4 (30 October 2016) 5.93m/6.22m (24.1%/25.3%) 6.62m/6.92m (+0.69m/+0.70m) Live Show 5 (05 November 2016) 5.33m/5.60m (26.0%/27.3%) 6.42m/6.72m (+1.09m/+1.12m) Results 5 (06 November 2016) 6.22m/6.49m (24.2%/25.3%) 6.83m/7.13m (+0.61m/+0.64m) Live Show 6 (12 November 2016) 5.85m/6.03m (27.6%/28.5%) Results 6 (13 November 2016) 6.21m/6.38m (23.5%/24.1%) Live Show 7 (19 November 2016) 6.13m (28.2%) inc. +1

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Thanks lewie, that's brilliant. I was actually missing quite a few so that tables filled in the blanks for me.

lewiep93

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Thanks lewie, that's brilliant. I was actually missing quite a few so that tables filled in the blanks for me. ”

Not a problem

Here's hoping we get the IAC exclusive +1 figures soon!

Ash_M1

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“BBC1 had a good night, but they usually do when the skew old like the above. They couldn't really go wrong with McIntyre following SCD.

The rating for Pointless, despite scheduled in at the last minute, does it suggest the audience would have watched anything the BBC put in that slot given its sandwich between BBC News and SCD?

Meet The Parents continues to rate apallingly. Its funny isn't it. ITV go through so many LE shows in a year, most flop, very few actually rate over 4m. BBC1 do very few LE shows, just showing the same every year, but of the few new LE shows they show, they equal the same number of new hits found as ITV, despite showing less.”

This obsession with 'only old people watch BBC One' is wrong with respect. BBC One's success is down to the fact that it appeals to all ages, is filled with variety, the quality and standards are there too. It is a channel for all the family.

H of De Vil

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“This obsession with 'only old people watch BBC One' is wrong with respect. BBC One's success is down to the fact that it appeals to all ages, is filled with variety, the quality and standards are there too. It is a channel for all the family.”

True. But they do have a larger older audience that enables most of their programming output to rate well.

For instance SCD has almost the same 16-24 skew as Meet The Parents with just 2m. Therefore the majority of SCD audience is older viewers, which enables it to stay strong.

I am by no means trying to degrade the older audience, I'm just explaining why BBC1 in most slots stays solid. Then when they try to skew young (The Getaway Car) it flops. In a similar way to ITV with MTP. But ITV has less of a strong base as BBC1. MTP didn't even launch well.

Dan R

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by dennisboy:
“Brilliant for SCD - is that the biggest gap ever between it and X Factor? X Factor barely getting over 6m even with the repeat included.”

Or you could come at it from the angle of: the highest Saturday show since the first live show and the second consecutive week of rising. despite stronger competition.
But you won't because of your dumb & petty agenda.

mogzyboy

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Or you could come at it from the angle of: the highest Saturday show since the first live show and the second consecutive week of rising. despite stronger competition.
But you won't because of your dumb & petty agenda.”

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

sunbeam007

20-11-2016

It's déjà vu all over again.

LHolmes

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“That's the problem with ad breaks when comparing overnights on a commercial channel to an ad free channel. Viewers jump during ad breaks.”

It's not really a problem. It's standard practice to just look at the overnights as normal and not worry about it. BARB present a figure with them stripped out later on.

TXF's overnights from 2008-2011 included ads. Nobody moaned about it then.

derek500

20-11-2016

Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“This obsession with 'only old people watch BBC One' is wrong with respect. BBC One's success is down to the fact that it appeals to all ages, is filled with variety, the quality and standards are there too. It is a channel for all the family.”

No one's saying only old people watch BBC One, but they skew the headline ratings.

As for 'family', a typical young family (two adults under 45 with two children) are more likely to watch XFactor over SCD.

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