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Old 27-11-2016, 13:48
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Saturday 26 November 2016 Ratings Roundup
BBC 1
18:10: Pointless - 4.58m (24.8%)
19:00: Strictly Come Dancing - 10.21m (47.6%)
* peak - 11.53m (49.6%) at 20:00
20:10: Michael McIntyre's Big Show - 5.78m (27.3%)
* peak - 6.42m (29.8%) at 20:55
21:10: Casualty - 4.24m (20.6%)
22:00: The National Lottery Draws - 2.69m (13.8%)
22:10: BBC News - 2.97m (15.5%)

ITV (inc. +1)
18:00: Tipping Point - 2.71m (14.96%)
19:00: Meet The Parents - 1.58m (7.4%)
20:00: The X Factor - 5.67m (26.7%)
* peak - 6.62m (31.4%) at 21:10
21:50: I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here! - 7.36m (38.7%)
* peak - 8.15m (41.6%) at 22:15
22:50: ITV News and Weather - 2.69m (19.4%)

And let the arguments commence.

X Factor dire as usual. Strictly solid and is exactly the same as last year. I'm a Celebrity, I think, was dented due to the late start (9.50 was very late). Meet the Parents is the flop of the year regardless of any demos it gets.
Well done to BBC Strictly again this week. It was an awesome show. BBC Michael McIntyre's Big Show is a grower too I think. Whilst not a massive Mac fan, there is a format there that can be worked on and fine tuned.
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Old 27-11-2016, 13:57
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That's quite a novel argument.

Like Manchester United claiming they were the best team in the Premier League last season if you don't include Leicester, Arsenal, Tottenham and Manchester City.

Or Citizen Khan claiming he's the number one programme on BBC1 this Autumn if you exclude Strictly, Bake Off, Planet Earth, EastEnders, Countryfile, The Missing, The Apprentice, The One Show, Antiques Roadshow, Have I Got News For You, Michael McIntyre's Big Show, National Lottery Five Star Family Reunion, Ordinary Lies, The News................................................................................

Well, you get the idea with that.
It's very different comparing a team finishing in the Europa League places or a show limping onwards with under 3m to one which hits over 6m each week with appealing demos.
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Old 27-11-2016, 13:58
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Not much sign of Linda Gray (Sue Ellen from Dallas) boosting Hollyoaks ratings a lot with this week's cameo as a cougar mother in law from hell.
That's hardly surprising as Hollyoaks' target audience are too young to remember Dallas. The recent revival doesn't count as barely anyone noticed that that even existed.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:26
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Great for SCD again. Not event TV ?

IAC on too late and XF not so good.
Really think it's been let down by such poor acts this series.
Total lack of quality. Saara is the best but will no doubt go before the final.
Who could have guessed that after 13 dips into the same well (or more if you count its predecessors) a singing competition would start to find its bucket less than full. Simply on the grounds of letting the supply recover singing competitions should be given a rest for a year or two. Instead ITV now effectively has 3 running (BGT's idea of 'variety' being less than satisfactory). Overfish for long and the nets start to come in empty and those queuing for their fish suppers drift away looking for new sustenance.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:41
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Erm EastEnders is most certainly not the third soap - in the consolidated figures EE is always ahead except for when Emmerdale has big weeks and in total reach (including all repeats, BBC Iplayer, ITV Player etc) it would probably be level pegging with Corrie.
Corrie would probs still be way ahead!
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:43
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Well done to ITV I'm A Celebrity.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:44
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The BARB figures we get only show part of the story.

Have you included repeats? Figures for catch up on a TV after a repeat are added to the most recent showing, not the original (like SCD).

Have you included catch up, not on a TV?

Have you seen all the data Cowell has?
This is spot on. If you download XF now, it'll count towards their repeat rating, not the Saturday showing (I think that is right). Apprentice is another that gets a repeat the next day.

Every so often RZT sends us data here which makes things look very different. Cowell, Morgan, Sugar and the rest know far more than we do. We simply don't have the data to truly analyse and build solutions in the way that we like to think we do.

We are just playing EA Sports.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:47
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Sunday 13th November 2016 - LIVE ratings (excludes VOSDAL):

Strictly Come Dancing: The Results: 9.4m
Planet Earth II: 9.0m
The X Factor Results: 5.4m (inc +1)
I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!: 8.9m (inc +1)


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Old 27-11-2016, 14:51
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Erm EastEnders is most certainly not the third soap - in the consolidated figures EE is always ahead except for when Emmerdale has big weeks and in total reach (including all repeats, BBC Iplayer, ITV Player etc) it would probably be level pegging with Corrie.
Okay, fair point.
You've just further illustrated the fact that you can make too much of the overnights and forget that it's only part of the story.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:54
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Sunday 13th November 2016 - LIVE ratings (excludes VOSDAL):

Strictly Come Dancing: The Results: 9.4m
Planet Earth II: 9.0m
The X Factor Results: 5.4m (inc +1)
I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!: 8.9m (inc +1)


Interesting....Spot the odd one out.
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Old 27-11-2016, 14:54
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The BARB figures we get only show part of the story.

Have you included repeats? Figures for catch up on a TV after a repeat are added to the most recent showing, not the original (like SCD).

Have you included catch up, not on a TV?

Have you seen all the data Cowell has?
This would all be very well for pre-recorded programme. It's a live programme. Surely its job is to attract a live audience?
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:00
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still dont no how the ratings work .i no people have some sort of box to see what they are watching
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:00
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The BARB figures we get only show part of the story.

Have you included repeats? Figures for catch up on a TV after a repeat are added to the most recent showing, not the original (like SCD).

Have you included catch up, not on a TV?

Have you seen all the data Cowell has?
Whilst we are at it,

Let's add

Simons waist size.
And
His ego.

We still will be a few million short of ten million.

Cowell- or Louis haven't been tweeting XF Ratings, they were a few years back, that tells you they all have the same data. The interview in The Metro was about X Fscit being axed, no one would have asked Simon that a few years back.

A few here try very very hard to defend XF but a sub 6 million number, all ratings experts will say us terrible for a show that got in its old heyday 16/17 million, so over 11 million have switched off, and they are not watching it on catch up.

A "live" show with live voting, typically will have the majority of its loyal viewers watch live, so they can vote.

The " Excuses " we have heard about XF from its first show have been from a dwindling few loyal fans who can't see its decline and are in denial.

I will not repeat them, but from bank holidays and BBQs to Halloween to Fireworks to Christmas shopping. Funny Strictly isn't effected by these, but those shopping last night as it's payday for most, again seemed to effect XF not SCD.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:13
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This would all be very well for pre-recorded programme. It's a live programme. Surely its job is to attract a live audience?
So if It was recorded, like SCD Results, it would not be so important?
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:14
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So if It was recorded, like SCD Results, it would not be so important?
You miss the point, SCD viewers watch live on Saturdays and have circa 30 minutes to vote so renders Catch up unlikely if your a fan.

Money wise and to get best value for money SCD Results are recorded Saturday night, and if shown live would go up against XF/ IAC which some here would also complain about.

Typically shows with viewer voting will be watched live, as by the time the show is viewed on catch up the voting lines may be closed, though XF has them open an extended time at the weekend.

Baa James is correct a live LE show with live audience participation is designed to get viewers watching live, and not on catch up.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:18
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Whilst we are at it,

Let's add

Simons waist size.
And
His ego.

We still will be a few million short of ten million.

Cowell- or Louis haven't been tweeting XF Ratings, they were a few years back, that tells you they all have the same data. The interview in The Metro was about X Fscit being axed, no one would have asked Simon that a few years back.

A few here try very very hard to defend XF but a sub 6 million number, all ratings experts will say us terrible for a show that got in its old heyday 16/17 million, so over 11 million have switched off, and they are not watching it on catch up.

A "live" show with live voting, typically will have the majority of its loyal viewers watch live, so they can vote.

The " Excuses " we have heard about XF from its first show have been from a dwindling few loyal fans who can't see its decline and are in denial.

I will not repeat them, but from bank holidays and BBQs to Halloween to Fireworks to Christmas shopping. Funny Strictly isn't effected by these, but those shopping last night as it's payday for most, again seemed to effect XF not SCD.
You come back with the same jokes because you can't cope with the one basic truth - XF is still a very profitable programme for ITV.

The fact that you've tried weak criticisms of IAC does support H's assertion that you want to see BBC1 beating itv - a channel bias that even DanR is innocent of.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:21
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It's so easy for us to sit here and compare shows relative to their own past performance. But broadcasters never really look at it that way. The X Factor's only competition is everything else on the channel and elsewhere on TV.

It's like when American Idol kept getting renewed despite falling ratings. It only got cancelled once it was rating so low that it wasn't bringing in enough money for Fox.

Needless to say a show getting even 5m and one that skews young to boot is safe as houses and doesn't deserve to be thrown under the bus in the schedules as some are suggesting.

It doesn't matter whether it's a show getting 5m that used to get 3m (brilliant!) or a show getting 5m that used to get 10m (awful!), all brings in the same advertising revenue.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:21
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You come back with the same jokes because you can't cope with the one basic truth - XF is still a very profitable programme for ITV.

The fact that you've tried weak criticisms of IAC does support H's assertion that you want to see BBC1 beating itv - a channel bias that even DanR is innocent of.
I can cope with basic truths I have a degree in business.

XF maybe still profitable but like any business it's gross profit will be falling if you use that analogy, many here have posted switch XF and IAC last night that makes business sense, it would bring in extra income from adverts, and what occurred is XF damaged the rating IAC could gave got.

When XF got 16/17 million viewers then it was far more profitable, it's costs, - judges pay and staging have gone up, income to ITV down, any business would be reviewing that to either cut costs or try to increase income, or like business such as M&S cut stores.

Yes XF made a profit, smaller and smaller you can't keep saying it made a profit as its diminishing, IAC would gave got more at 8 pm of the right viewers.

I try very very hard to not personalise discussions or arguments, it's dristracting, the few posters who continue to label one a BBC guy or another a ITV fan distract the discussion and make it personal.

I have posted criticism on BBC shows, I know the readers here may not see all my posts on all forums, but it's not forme to justify or label.

I am sure there will be shows on ITV I will watch this Christmas, my family watches IAC but I do not like humiliating people even if they sign up and gave a tax bill to pay.

It seems when someone's argument is lost they resort to name calling which I avoid.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:27
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You miss the point, SCD viewers watch live on Saturdays and have circa 30 minutes to vote so renders Catch up unlikely if your a fan.

Money wise and to get best value for money SCD Results are recorded Saturday night, and if shown live would go up against XF/ IAC which some here would also complain about.

Typically shows with viewer voting will be watched live, as by the time the show is viewed on catch up the voting lines may be closed, though XF has them open an extended time at the weekend.

Baa James is correct a live LE show with live audience participation is designed to get viewers watching live, and not on catch up.
XF voting is still going on. It lasts for 24 hours. You don't need to watch VOSDAL and let's be honest, not many viewers actually vote. I've never voted for any TV show and it is free now.

And you know what, if I now download the app and decide to vote, I'd probably vote for Sara before I've even seen the show if I was running out of time.

Like I said before, I've not even see Friday's IAC yet or Thursday's Apprentice. I don't bother with SCD on Sundays because I know who has gone.

It's light entertainment.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:32
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XF voting is still going on. It lasts for 24 hours. You don't need to watch VOSDAL and let's be honest, not many viewers actually vote. I've never voted for any TV show and it is free now.

And you know what, if I now download the app and decide to vote, I'd probably vote for Sara before I've even seen the show if I was running out of time.

Like I said before, I've not even see Friday's IAC yet or Thursday's Apprentice. I don't bother with SCD on Sundays because I know who has gone.

It's light entertainment.
And that's how you personally view and interact.

My prior post said " typically" -as everyone is different, a point that clearly was not read but skimmed.

Yes it's light entertainment but if people were not passionate then this thread wouldn't even exist, every day posters are here on an active thread reading and posting their views. The subject can be debated, it's an open forum, but done get personal. - no need

Bottom line SCD gets million more viewers than XF on the same night. Shows viewers are in but avoid XF..
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:37
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XF maybe still profitable but like any business it's gross profit will be falling if you use that analogy, many here have posted switch XF and IAC last night that makes business sense, it would bring in extra income from adverts, and what occurred is XF damaged the rating IAC could gave got.

When XF got 16/17 million viewers then it was far more profitable, it's costs, - judges pay and staging have gone up, income to ITV down, any business would be reviewing that to either cut costs or try to increase income, or like business such as M&S cut stores.

Yes XF made a profit, smaller and smaller you can't keep saying it made a profit as its diminishing, IAC would gave got more at 8 pm of the right viewers.

I try very very hard to not personalise discussions or arguments, it's dristracting, the few posters who continue to label one a BBC guy or another a ITV fan distract the discussion and make it personal.

I have posted criticism on BBC shows, I know the readers here may not see all my posts on all forums, but it's not fir me to justify or label.

I am sure there will be shows on ITV I will watch this Christmas, my family watches IAC but I do not like humiliating people even if they sign up and gave a tax bill to pay.
This is partially correct but still flawed because:

As xeo says, it's about whether it has an alternative today, not what it once did.
It got 17m once, stop pretending that was a normal rating. It's getting 6m when it should be above 7m like earlier in its run and more like Takeaway. It's underperforming but nothing gets 17m.
It's revenue is down but so are its costs. ITV pay less for it so the profit margins might still be good (we don't know).

ITV would have been criticised for clashing with SCD. They're now being criticised for not trying to make as much money as possible.

YCNMIU, as the kids say.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:38
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I can cope with basic truths I have a degree in business.

XF maybe still profitable but like any business it's gross profit will be falling if you use that analogy, many here have posted switch XF and IAC last night that makes business sense, it would bring in extra income from adverts, and what occurred is XF damaged the rating IAC could gave got.

When XF got 16/17 million viewers then it was far more profitable, it's costs, - judges pay and staging have gone up, income to ITV down, any business would be reviewing that to either cut costs or try to increase income, or like business such as M&S cut stores.

Yes XF made a profit, smaller and smaller you can't keep saying it made a profit as its diminishing, IAC would gave got more at 8 pm of the right viewers.

I try very very hard to not personalise discussions or arguments, it's dristracting, the few posters who continue to label one a BBC guy or another a ITV fan distract the discussion and make it personal.

I have posted criticism on BBC shows, I know the readers here may not see all my posts on all forums, but it's not forme to justify or label.

I am sure there will be shows on ITV I will watch this Christmas, my family watches IAC but I do not like humiliating people even if they sign up and gave a tax bill to pay.

It seems when someone's argument is lost they resort to name calling which I avoid.
BIB I bet you watch The Apprentice though?

Who's name calling? You are bias to BBC1. That is a fact. In the same way, Dan R is bias to TXF. I am bias to ITV (despite watching a lot on both channels).
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:41
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Sunday 13th November 2016 - LIVE ratings (excludes VOSDAL):

Strictly Come Dancing: The Results: 9.4m
Planet Earth II: 9.0m
The X Factor Results: 5.4m (inc +1)
I'm A Celebrity... Get Me Out Of Here!: 8.9m (inc +1)


Thanks Roscoe.

So IAC could be top of that pile were it not for the ads deflating the av. IAC must be so much more profitable that TXF now, given its huge live ratings.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:42
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I can cope with basic truths I have a degree in business.

XF maybe still profitable but like any business it's gross profit will be falling if you use that analogy, many here have posted switch XF and IAC last night that makes business sense, it would bring in extra income from adverts, and what occurred is XF damaged the rating IAC could gave got.

When XF got 16/17 million viewers then it was far more profitable, it's costs, - judges pay and staging have gone up, income to ITV down, any business would be reviewing that to either cut costs or try to increase income, or like business such as M&S cut stores.

Yes XF made a profit, smaller and smaller you can't keep saying it made a profit as its diminishing, IAC would gave got more at 8 pm of the right viewers.

I try very very hard to not personalise discussions or arguments, it's dristracting, the few posters who continue to label one a BBC guy or another a ITV fan distract the discussion and make it personal.

I have posted criticism on BBC shows, I know the readers here may not see all my posts on all forums, but it's not forme to justify or label.

I am sure there will be shows on ITV I will watch this Christmas, my family watches IAC but I do not like humiliating people even if they sign up and gave a tax bill to pay.

It seems when someone's argument is lost they resort to name calling which I avoid.
I'm glad you don't resort to name calling when you've lost an argument. I don't want you to keep calling me names.
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Old 27-11-2016, 15:49
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You miss the point, SCD viewers watch live on Saturdays and have circa 30 minutes to vote so renders Catch up unlikely if your a fan.
My wife watches SCD, never live and has never voted.

BARB figures for live viewing of the Saturday shows in October are:-

Oct 8, 7.611m

Oct 15, 7.853m

Oct 22, 8.146m

Oct 29, 7921m

How does that compare to the overnights?
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