It'll be interesting to see how many viewers ITV's version of The Voice gets (and how good the acts are)

What will Cowell say if The Voice gets more than X Factor in same slot?

IAC has to be on at 9 now even if it means part of the X Factor going to ITV2.

Even me a staunch X Factor naysayer thinks this is a terrible idea.

Bottom line, a commercial channel should put on its best show st the best time, IAC was the best show even in an out of slot position, if it was on at 8 or 8.30 it would get more viewers, more income. It's simples! If Strictly, Planet Earth, IAC can get ten million viewers and XF only get 55% of that it has to be moved.

Question, again here we go again? What has my " personal" viewing if a random show you pick out of the blue, got anything to do with any discussion on ratings. That is so random and off thread?

When an argument or discussion is lost here a few, not one, resort to name calling and labelling they do not defend their side of the argument.

I think you said it was quite " Quiet" here on this thread Thursday night, where has everyone gone, people get put off s bit by the labels stuck on people in a good discussion.


I won't! - I actually enjoy the majority of your posts they are normally very constructive.

Again, mis read, or didn't read my posts, little point re typing as you will not read it or ignore. But " typically viewers who watch live shows and "are" fans so do vote, will typically vote live. Posting what you wife does is interesting to understand your own household thank you. Doesn't change my point.

I think TVUK will do better, but....XF has now damaged the credibility of ITV singing contests, if that perception transfers to the Voice it may not do as well long term.

Re the cost of XF putting it on 2 wouldn't work, but IAC should be fixed to 9 pm, DMN posted a solution earlier.

Agree ITV2 wouldn't work.

ADP, if you hate X Factor so much then why the constant obsession in talking about it and the constant need to slate it? I really don't understand.

I think every viewer has a slight bias to a particular channel or group. I have a slight bias to the BBC, but it doesn't stop me criticising them when I think they've done something wrong, or their programmes when they're bad. For example, Strictly last week. I was heavily critical of that because it was a bad show. But I also watch plenty of stuff on other channels, Coronation Street is probably my favourite thing on TV and that's on ITV!

People just get fed up on this thread of the posters who are so biased to a particular show/channel that they can't accept criticism of it and think it is their divine mission to convert everyone to their viewpoint. I won't name the poster but if I spent as much time as he does going around all the forums trying to convert people to his channel, I wouldn't have any time to do anything else!

Anyway, what a busy day for the Ratings Thread, my highlights being:

ADP comparing X Factor to the boat race.
Dan R being banned.

I can't imagine showing ninety minute dramas at 9pm is "a tempting prospect", the news was at 10.30 full time between 2004 and 2007 and while on paper it seemed the most sensible way to do it, in practice it was probably the worst of all the different scheduling permutations they tried for the news. They didn't have enough ninety minute dramas, having always worked in sixty and 120 minute durations, and that meant they had to show loads of half hour shows at 10pm. Would have been alright if there had been loads of sitcoms and panel shows they could have played there, but they didn't have any. At least now they don't have to endlessly find new shows for 10pm.


Yes, I don't know what happened here, as you say it was in all the TV guides but then suddenly it found itself moved back a week. My mum texted me on Friday about it, she was baffled. Not a clue what's going on. Hardly getting it off to the best start.


I think Big School might had done a bit better had Bad Education not been on at the exact same time doing more or less the same thing. I know the sit of a sitcom is far less important than the com, but there were extremely similar. At least Citizen Khan is doing something different and is very distinctive

I know it's always said that comedy needs time to grow, but how many chances does it need? Big School had a Radio Times covers, endless trailers, a decent slot and a high profile cast and writer. It wasn't like some little show starting at 10.45 with a cast of unknowns. People had plenty of opportunities to sample it. The same with Vicious, where I see people are still trying to talk it up and suggest better slots for it. It's had better slots and more publicity than virtually any other sitcom this decade. People have seen it, and just don't like it.


Well, indeed, and of course last year Home Alone 2 got over two million on C4, and Toy Story and Quantum of Solace on BBC3 and ITV2 respectively both got a million. And when everyone on Twitter and Facebook is apparently watching Elf for the trillionth Christmas running, I don't see the issue.


I think the Broadcast app is just not very good and nobody's bothered to check it's still working, I'm pretty sure there is no human intervention is getting the ratings on there. Actually my tweet moaning about this earlier was liked by Broadcast's Robin Parker, so at least he knows about it.


Do we really want a whole series of Strictly Champion of Champions? I don't think so. A CoC is alright for a bit of fun but I'm not sure anyone's that bothered about taking it any further. Most of the fun of Strictly is watching people progress and the cock-ups, and you wouldn't get any of that.

Simon Cowell also said of World Idol that it made winners look like losers, which I think is a pretty perceptive remark. Certainly that was the case on World Idol, when you had the judges slagging off the contestants - so you got Will Young being criticised, but he could just turn round and say "Well, I have sold millions of records". Same as on a Champion of Champions here, if Craig was to criticise them they could just say "Well, I did win the bloody thing". It's alright as a one-off on Christmas Day where everyone can get tens and you just want to see everyone being nice to each other, but for a whole series it would stretch things out to breaking point.


I find this a bit hard to believe. Nobody remembers what was on Christmas Day last year, they don't even remember what was on last week. And even if they do, what does it matter? They've happily watched Strictly - in increasing numbers - in the same slot on Saturday nights for the last twelve years. Why are they not complaining about the exact same programme in the exact same slot there? Same with all the other programmes, they pull in enormous ratings every other day. And nobody watches all the programmes, they pick and choose.

As mentioned up there, in the past BBC2 and C4 used to show opera, ballet and foreign films, and satellite was an irrelevance. It's all very well comparing BBC1 now to in the nineties but in those days it was literally BBC1 or nothing. In 1993 for example ITV showed a load of crap films all night and BBC2 and C4 officially got no viewers. Last year C4 got two million, BBC2 got a million, ITV2 got a million, BBC3 got a million, so there goes five million people who in the past might have watched BBC1. You never had those before. BBC2 and C4 wouldn't have got a million between them.

Also, we never had these comments in the seventies when BBC1 also showed exactly the same thing in exactly the same slots every year with the Generation Game and Morecambe and Wise.


Not really a fair comparison, this, though, there were loads more sitcoms in those days, plus of course they all appeared on Christmas Night With The Stars as well in some years. To The Manor Born was on Christmas Day as well, and in the eighties and nineties there were loads of sitcoms on Christmas Day.

Also as well in the seventies there were more frequently films in primetime, which would take up two hours or so. There hasn't been a film on primetime BBC1 on Christmas Day since 2004, so there's more time to fill up with new, British programming.

Incidentally, anyone still trying to fit a news bulletin in BBC1's provisional schedule - count how many bulletins there are in the whole day on the provisional schedule.



But as I mentioned the other day, why must Pointless make the same number of episodes as The Chase? They're completely different programmes. Most obviously, Pointless is filmed in front of a studio audience and The Chase is not. Pointless also has more contestants per show. The Chase also uses straight general knowledge questions, and Pointless does not. Why must they make the same number of episodes because they're on at the same time? They are different programmes.


I see in Broadcast it's confirmed it's been recommissioned. I also see ITV have put feelers out for new light entertainment shows, including those that can work at Saturday teatime like You've Been Framed, and indeed in the late evening like Jonathan Ross. Let's hope they find some.

Agree

As Derek500 pointed out, about 25% of SCD's viewers watch via VOSDAL yet SCD is older skewing than many shows. I think that's interesting as it suggests voting is unimportant to millions. I don't know how many people vote on SCD, I doubt that not many ring and pay to vote. Those days seem to be gone for TV companies.

I'm glad you like many of my posts, it's a good job coz I'm posting on this thread far too blinking often!!

In a perverse way, I actually think TVUK doing well would be good for XF. It'd show that the demand is still there for singing shows and might give some tips. Really they are searching for different sorts of acts, TVUK is going for a less pop sort of act. So it seemed to me anyway.
In January a show really should hit 7m - people are skint and the weather is normally bad. Both BBC 1 and itv should be demanding over 6m.

My predictions for tonight:
Strictly - 10.5m
Planet Earth - 9.6m
I'm a Celebrity - 9.3m
Countryfile - 7.2m
X Factor - 6.5m

Would be wonderful to have 3 10m figures again but I don't think that will happen.

Bit random but do we think we'll see any figures over 7m on Christmas Day? I predicted way too high on the prediction thread last year

Edit - my bad, it was the Downton finale with 6.58m/6.88m. Roundup here.

Yeah for all H of De Vil keeps pointing out that Emmerdale has been ahead for 5 weeks or whatever it is, they're pretty much even stevens in the official figures with EE slightly ahead if you remove the +1 advantage.

It depends on the scheduling but possibly. Last year's highest was Downton Abbey with 6.9m, however that isn't there this year and Maigret won't get close to that, meaning there's less competition for BBC1 in that later slot. Mrs Brown's Boys could get there if scheduled in the same slot as last year, but I can't see it happening if they keep it at 10.25pm as in the provisionals.

I think BBC1 could improve their schedule with a few tweaks. Based on the shows they've got in the provisionals this might be worth a go:



I think CTM would strengthen Christmas Eve, whilst Christmas Day is less reliant on EastEnders as a centrepiece with the split episode bringing viewers in early. Revolting Rhymes and SOAH feel better suited to Christmas Day than CTM, with Shirley Bassey in a decent slot still on Boxing Day. Also swapped Peter Kay and Tracey Ullman, the former is a stronger offering for Christmas Day.

Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“Yeah for all H of De Vil keeps pointing out that Emmerdale has been ahead for 5 weeks or whatever it is, they're pretty much even stevens in the official figures with EE slightly ahead if you remove the +1 advantage.”

There is no +1 advantage. People plan their viewing accordingly. They would be watching VOSDAL anyway.

Really like that schedule, I would maybe put GBBO to 8pm and have DW and SCD before it. But, let's be honest, it'll be Frozen, DW, SCD, CTM, EE and MBB.

I much more a BBC person than an ITV one but I do feel ITV should be allowed to reduce their PSB commitments. Let them do what they need to do to make themselves profitable. They would stop making factual anyway because as it's much cheaper than drama, it helps balance the books and it always has repeat value, including on ITV3 which never screens drama when ITV are showing drama. Let ITV put the news on whenever they want.

I notice that next Monday when Brit Icons: Robbie Williams is on at 9pm on ITV, the News starts at 10.25,

A show getting nearly 6 million moved to ITV2? I don't think so.

DanR has been banned?

Is that a 24 hour thing? Dan is okay, he just bites hard.

I'm not completely sold on Bake Off getting particularly huge numbers for these specials. Good numbers definitely, but not massive, so I think teatime is fair enough. Although it could probably beat Doctor Who so maybe swap it with that. Sadly though I expect you are right.

I notice they aren't doing a John Bishop special this year. They normally did quite well so surprised to see it not returning. With Michael McIntyre moving to Christmas Eve it could have gone in the late slot on Christmas Day. Better than a compilation.

It says he's inactive.

I think he ruins this thread quite frankly with his obsessive love of Syco and dishing out personal comments to people simply expressing their opinion.

There have been several sitcoms over the years that look as if they should have done better than they did including Big School and Vicious. Worst Week Of My Life was another.

Vicious, in particular, looked as if it should have been ITV's answer to Mrs Brown's Boys, and its first episode certainly did okay in the ratings, but for whatever reason, it just didn't hit the bullseye.

Some might argue the age of the mass audience sitcom is over, but in this multichannel age a sitcom only needs 5 or 6 million consolidated to be consider a decent ratings hit and there are a few that have hit in the target in recent years including Mrs Brown's Boys, Miranda, Outnumbered, Car Share, Still Open All Hours and Benidorm. (Birds Of A Feather has been underperforming a bit since its first ITV series.)

Yeah I don't think Doctor Who has that power anymore like it had from 2007-2010. There is a definite lack of a big centre piece on Christmas Day for both ITV and BBC 1.

I agree, it definitely lacks something. A big comedy really, I don't think MBB alone is enough and its ratings have fallen over the past couple of years.

Strictly has been one of the better raters on the day in the past couple of years, hence why in my schedule I gave it a fairly central slot. But the celebs this year look a bit weak and they really could do with something more.

Vicious just didn't seem to get the first episode right. I actually enjoy it and am looking forward to the final special, but it clearly didn't work for everyone.

Birds of a Feather did pretty well this year. It was up on the 2015 series and averaged 4.2m in the overnights, which presumably took it past 5 million consolidated. A decent audience for a sitcom these days. Most of the shows in that list have sadly ended now, only Car Share, Still Open All Hours and Benidorm are still making full series and even then, Car Share hardly makes any episodes and Benidorm is past its prime. A pity to see how few hit sitcoms there are around.

Well

That's this thread finished then as all sides here do the same, the basis of this ratings thread is to analyse shows and performance.

I think the XF should have ended many years ago, true,

The ratings and things like this:-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...n-was-planned/ " X Factor viewers claim Honey G stage invasion was planned, is about manipulating people and that's what gets people annoyed as it is all about the worst style of very early 2000's show.

Funny that I was discussing the film " Frozen" yesterday, and Michael McIntyre and Strictky, and I understand you may not be able to read all my posts, but they were not about XF, however whilst some here see only the top of the iceberg of a variety of posts, they like to attach a label quickly.

Posters here either tirelessly defend XF or soaps, or go on about the quality of IAC celebrities, they could be seen as obsessed, we get fantasy Christmas schedules. I thought an open forum should be open, and discuss the ratings and shows.

But this thread isn't about "persons who post here" but a few are obsessed with that?

Although - I wasn't talking about sitcoms. I was talking about Call The Midwife and arguing why it shouldn't be considered disrespectful to move it from a Christmas Day slot to a Boxing Day slot.

And who's going to object to Morecambe & Wise being on in exactly the same slot every Christmas? I've got the box set of their BBC shows and it's clear that the quality of their Christmas shows was up a level from their regular series. After a M&W Christmas show, everyone (with a sense of humour) would have been glowing with happiness, not a feeling you're likely to get watching an episode of Call The Midwife or Doctor Who, however upbeat the ending was and however high the quality of the episode.