Oh I see what you mean now! It still wouldn't be worth ITV's while to produce the BBC's biggest shows if they have no overall control or ability to make money from the format. If EastEnders for instance became the property of ITV for broadcast on the BBC, they'd snap it up. But for ITV to produce EastEnders for the BBC and to be owned by the BBC would be of no advantage to them at all, particularly as the BBC could change production companies periodically, and ITV could even be disregarded in favour of BBC Studios once again in a couple of years.

I can see plenty of scope for the smaller Indies but I seriously doubt Love Productions would get much work!

25th anniversary week for EastEnders though the live episode itself was on Friday. Was the 8pm episode for Emmerdale regular by then?

The smaller indies would have to compete with superindies who have a stronger track record, not that its impossible but I think the BBC would pick Shiver or Princess to do Watchdog or Thames or Endemol to produce A Question of Sport than a small indie.

Yes. I see that. For shows like EastEnders, it would be better for a bigger indie to produce it as they would be responsible for staff costs and so on. But an indie can only win the bid IF it is proven to be better value than the BBC doing it themselves. So, if they have to pay Thames or Endemol to produce it but end up paying more in order to give said indie a small profit, then chances are, on cost, BBC Studios would retain the rights to produce it.

The BBC doesn't have to choose an indie over BBC Studios, only that they have to give indies the chance to bid.

All this doom talk of EastEnders is getting tiresome. Yes Emmerdale is winning in the overnights most of the time but that says basically nothing about how EastEnders is doing and everything about how Emmerdale is doing.

Fair enough if EE was down heavily yoy and that's why ED had got ahead but currently EE is pretty flat or even up yoy but ED is up yoy which is putting it ahead. If ED was flat on 2015, EE would still be ahead.

I hope that made sense

Lol! Don't worry it's late. I think I got the gist of it!

A bit of unsubstantiated gossip regarding them, because of what they did they are believed to have been embargoed from any future BBC commissions and again unconfirmed but the BBC are apparently going to now insist any indie who pitches a show has to agree to a three year exclusivity clause that will prevent a successful production being taken from them.

Personally I do not like Indies making shows for any channel, it should be up to the broadcaster if they want to keep everything in house and I would axe the indie quota or have it set at 5% of a broadcasters output, If I commission a cabinet maker to make me some furniture he does not own the end product so why should Indies own shows paid for out of the tv license.

Please tell me you're joking?

I imagine it's because it's paid for out of the tv licence.

Some indies pitch their own ideas, such as Bake Off, which means the format remains with the indie. Others make shows for broadcasters after broadcasters have sent out their ideas and therefore the idea remains with the broadcaster. You can own a format without owning the production rights, and vice versa.

Shiver and Princess are owned by ITV Studios and Endemol Shine respectively, so they are not really smaller indies. They're what makes the parent companies super indies.

I think we can guarantee Love Productions won't be getting any of the work

Robin Parker ‏@robinparker55 4m4 minutes ago
The Missing bows out with 5.7m - highest since s2 ep1. Previous episodes have added around 2m on catch-up

That's an excellent figure against IAC. I imagine IAC was dented, even though I suspect they don't share much audience crossover?

Shows what a good drama can do against IAC.

Fantastic. I think it will consolidate to 8m.

The two brothers who wrote The Missing were on BBC Breakfast this morning and it looks like there will be a series 3.

Great to see The Missing do well. It was a brilliant finale.

I expect the crossover is pretty big. Looking forward to watching it. Next on our list when we've finished The Crown.

Hope it was better than the first series' ending.

Well we'll see when the rating comes in. I expect you could be right.

I liked the first series and I can see why people were disappointed but this one was MUCH better. A satisfying conclusion that has had near universal praise unlike the previous finale.

7.5m+ watch it every week and I suspect many watched it ASAP to avoid spoilers.

Yes, why are you assuming people only watch one type of programme. I don't and I'll wager you don't either.

I don't watch IAC and I'm probably a bit snooty about it but my take is that it is watched by a fair number of what we might refer to as "intelligent viewers" who regard it as a "guilty pleasure" and who also watch documentaries, current affairs and plentry of drama, including The Missing.

Great for The Missing S2 finale. And much better than some thought on here.

Episode 1 consolidated at 9.2m, I think we'll see the series average at 8.0-8.5m which is way better than other drama series of late.

#howquizzinggotcool on BBC4 at 9pm attracted 463.4k/1.9%
23.6% share for The Missing.

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