They certainly made some major mistakes and Sara has highlighted it. But let's not forget the public also voted out some talent early on and wanted to vote Sara off. It's actually quite good for XF as the lessons are clear so it should be easy to fix. The vibe of the series has been spot on, I just think you can't turn things around in one season.

I still think ITV need to change up the schedules but that's improbable. January to March is going to be far more interesting from a ratings POV for me. Especially weekend ratings.

At least the final is wide open this year, as we are told all three acts have topped the vote at some point and all three have been in the bottom two as well.

Last year it was The Louisa Johnson Show.

That is poor for Walliams, im sure the BBC had higher hopes for him,but think this reflects the general opinion how unfunny it was,did Mr Kahn get more or less than this.

Fantastic rating for Miracle on 34th Street. Ch4 really know how to schedule their films well. I predict next weeks Paddington to pull in over 4m in that similar slot.

How did Extra Camp do that well? Its piss poor. I hope that doesn't mean they keep the same presenters on. Axe them all and change the name back please ITV. I haven't watched any of it this year (bar ep1) because its so poor.

Does anyone ese here really love the film Santa Claus: The Movie? I watch it every year. Along with The Muppets Christmas Carol is a must watch every Christmas.

Roundup from Hassaan.

Sunday 4th December 2016 - Overnights
BBC One
16:20 - Planet Earth II (r): 1.89m (12.7%)
17:20 - Songs of Praise: 2.05m (11.9%)
17:55 - BBC News: 4.91m (25.8%)
18:10 - BBC Regional News: 5.89m (29.5%)
18:20 - Countryfile: 7.12m (34.0%)
19:20 - Strictly Come Dancing: The Results: 10.70m (44.6%)
* 5-minute peak: 11.72m (47.7%) at 19.50
20:00 - Planet Earth II: 9.67m (37.4%)
21:00 - My Mother and Other Strangers: 3.72m (15.0%)
22:00 - BBC News: 3.87m (17.4%)
22:20 - BBC Regional News: 3.60m (17.0%)
22:30 - Match of the Day: 2.50m (19.7%)

BBC Two
13:00 - Snooker: UK Championship 2016: 1.12m (10.6%)
* 15-minute peak: 1.42m (12.1%) at 15:30
18:00 - MOTD: FA Cup Highlights: 0.95m (4.7%)
19:00 - Snooker: UK Championship 2016: 1.70m (6.9%)
* 15-minute peak: 2.27m (9.1%) at 21:30
23:00 - QI XL: 0.38m (4.0%)

ITV (inc +1)
17:00 - Tipping Point (r): 1.92m (11.4%)
18:00 - ITV Regional News: 2.18m (11.1%)
18:15 - ITV News & Weather: 2.13m (10.6%)
18:30 - Off Their Rockers: 2.09m (10.1%)
19:00 - The Next Great Magician: 2.35m (10.2%)
20:00 - The X Factor Results: 6.26m (24.2%)
* 5-minute peak: 7.44m (27.8%) at 20.50
* exc +1: 6.11m (23.6%)
21:00 - I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! Final: 10.53m (44.6%)
* 5-minute peak: 11.35m (51.7%) at 22:20
* exc +1: 10.28m (43.5%)
22:35 - ITV News & Weather: 2.47m (16.7%)
22:50 - Peston on Sunday: 0.72m (7.8%)

Channel 4 (inc +1)
09:30 - Sunday Brunch: 0.57m (8.2%)
15:20 - FILM: School of Rock: 0.92m (6.7%)
17:35 - FILM: Miracle on 34th Street: 2.51m (12.3%)
19:35 - Channel 4 News: 1.02m (4.2%)
20:00 - Escape to the Chateau: 1.53m (5.9%)
21:00 - Humans: 0.94m (3.8%)
22:00 - Gogglebox: 0.71m (3.9%)

Channel 5 (inc +1)
14:05 - FILM: Call Me Claus: 1.06m (9.9%)
15:50 - FILM: Deck The Halls: 1.21m (9.1%)
16:50 - 5 News Weekend: 1.22m (8.1%)
16:55 - FILM: Deck The Halls: 1.40m (8.6%)
17:50 - FILM: Bulletproof Monk: 0.77m (3.6%)
19:40 - FILM: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army: 0.66m (2.6%)
20:40 - 5 News Weekend: 0.62m (2.4%)
20:45 - FILM: Hellboy 2: The Golden Army: 0.71m (2.8%)
22:00 - FILM: Green Lantern: 0.83m (4.4%)

ITV2 (inc +1)
21:00 - The Xtra Factor: 154k (0.6%)
22:00 - Family Guy: 191k (0.9%)
22:30 - I'm a Celebrity - Extra Camp: 1.47m (12.1%)
* 22:30-22:45: 1.18m (6.7%)
* 22:45-23:00: 1.62m (11.7%)
* 23:00-23:15: 1.47m (13.1%)
* 23:15-23:30: 1.19m (13.1%)

Primetime shares
BBC One: 28.8%
ITV: 27.8% (+1: 6.5%)
BBC Two: 6.0%
Channel 4: 4.8% (+1: 1.4%)
Channel 5: 2.9% (+1: 0.2%)

BBC One Breakdown
ITV Breakdown (inc +1)

You said it all - very well.

I don't think you can turn it around. It's has its audience and that's that.
The floating viewer has lost interest in singing shows.

Wow corrie performed well

Can someone please explain why IAC continues to do so well? No real changes in 14 years, except the "celebrities" are if anything less famous these days. Surely the novelty factor of seeing "famous" people covered in rats and insects ought to have worn off by now? What is it that keeps people watching year after year?

I'm not a fan of Santa Claus: The Movie. If it's on TV and I stumble across it I may watch it.

For me it's Gremlins (not technically a Christmas film I know), One Magic Christmas and The Amazing Mr Blunden - A time travelling ghost story that was always on during the school holidays on ITV.

I do! I also watch it every year will be a bit poignant this year knowing that David Huddleston who played Santa sadly died earlier this year

I'm still mourning Dudley Moore - such a cruel last few years.

OK, its success continues to confound everyone on here from fans to non fans as only BB/CBB has lasted longer and that's considered niche now. I think IAC keeps going by never outstaying its welcome, having two very popular presenters and not being as nasty as its rivals. Should Ant and Dec walked when the ratings were dipping 8 years ago, and they were replaced by some lesser ITV talent, then IAC would have been gone years ago. I think, for all I'm not a fan, it's a vital part of ITV's line up and helps them dominate the ratings on nights when they seem to by dying like Tuesdays.

Why not? A Christmas film is a film set at Christmas, even if not primarily about Christmas.

Public humiliation of 'rich' people. Working class envy assuaged. What's not to love for your average serf?

That would mean Die Hard is a Christmas film!

It has been shown in the Christmas period. Just not in the family friendly slots. So yeah, it is.

I don't know the ratings for BBC1 and BBC2.
BBC1 showed the three-part drama serial Wynne and Penkovsky each night, but it was not in Television Weekly's Top 100 as its average was below 5.03m.
BBC2 showed a Shirley MacLaine film each night, but they were not in BBC2's Top 10 (below 3.55m).
These are the ratings for A Woman of Substance and the alternatives on ITV at or around 9pm:

Wednesday 2 January 1985:
A Woman of Substance: Part One: 11.55m
The Greatest Paper in the World: 3.18m

Thursday 3 January 1985:
A Woman of Substance: Part Two: 13.20m
Morecambe and Wise in Night Train to Murder: 9.29m

Friday 4 January 1985:
A Woman of Substance: Part Three: 13.85m
Bloopers: 10.20m

This is true, would it also include the second one which has a little more snow around

Die Hard is a Christmas film in my book, more than The Wizard Of Oz or The Great Escape. The latter have become Christmas films as they are shown so much at Christmas. Die Hard is set over Christmas. I put Gremlins, Lethal Weapon and Trading Places on that list too. Lethal Weapon is a stretch admittedly.

Well it will be fascinating to see if that is true when Let It Shine and The Voice start in January.

The Voice two seconds after the end of X-Factor strikes me as a particularly mad move especially if they're going to be featuring pop singers on BGT immediately after that as well. If people haven't lost interest yet I think there's more than a fair chance that they will have done so by the middle of 2017 which will make X-Factor prone to a final collapse at the end of the year. There has to be a break somewhere surely?

Strictly come Dancing's Series 14 average is 10.73 Million bettering the Series 12 average of 10.62 million and Series 11 average of 10.71 million and nipping at the heels of 10.80 million achieved by Series 10. Series 9 and Series 8 achieved 10.97 million and 11.07 million respectively. Unfortunately barring a snowstorm in two weeks neither of those will be reached.

Outstanding really, akin to I'm a Celebrity: Get me out of here.

You may be right but over 7m have watched it every week and it was over 7.2m by 8:45 last night. I think you can overnight at 7m+, basically add 1m viewers all around. I don't think anyone would have thought that it could go up against the nation's top show and not lose viewers (seemingly).

I do wonder if searching for a crooner might do better. Give it a cabaret look, almost a Bugsy Malone feel and, well it'd probably fail but it might attract a SCD audience, especially on BBC1.
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Those splits were interesting. Magician grew its audience despite SCD also growing its too. I'm baffled why Lygo put new shows against SCD rather than the safe option of Tipping Point and Chase.

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Die Hard is my favourite Xmas film. It's no different to Home Alone and nobody doubts that is a Xmas film. As far as pure Xmas films are concerned:

Elf, Wonderful Life, The Santa Claus, Mrs Miracle, Miracle of 34th and White Christmas are hard to beat.