The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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cylon6

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I am not arguing against BBC1, or even BBC2, making populist programmes. I believe that whilst the BBC is funded by a universal licence fee then it has a duty to appeal to as many people as possible and they can increase their reach by making populist fare for BBC1.

But some people on this thread keep moaning because BBC1 hasn't made any effort to storm the ratings on Mondays this Autumn. But the BBC don't need to chase ratings ALL the time.

In fact, they shouldn't be chasing ratings AT ALL. They concentrate on making the best possible programmes they can and if they do that high ratings will be a natural by-product for some genres. Equally, there are programmes like last night's documentary on Mark Duggan that are not going to get big ratings however good the programme may be. But the BBC shouldn't be criticized for making those programmes or scheduling them on primetime BBC1.”

I have no problem with PSB, it's BBC1 being mainly factual and serious programming in Autumn on Mondays. It never used to be like that.

lewiep93

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Strictly has been going well this series, it has been lost amongst all the Bake Off/Planet Earth 2/I'm A Celebrity talk. Can the final top last year though?”

I'm predicting around 11.4m for the final. Anything over 11m would be excellent. I've slowly come around to the final being one show instead of two.

It looks like this series will average between 10.8-10.9m, if it continues to rate this well, in the officials which would be its highest in years.

northlad

07-12-2016

John Pilger documentary on ITV now,one of the most powerful of the year.The Coming War on China,

cylon6

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“I'm predicting around 11.4m for the final. Anything over 11m would be excellent. I've slowly come around to the final being one show instead of two.

It looks like this series will average between 10.8-10.9m, if it continues to rate this well, in the officials which would be its highest in years.”

What did last year's Strictly final get in the overnight ratings? 10.95m and 11m?

lewiep93

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“What did last year's Strictly final get in the overnight ratings? 10.95m and 11m?”

Yup.

19/12/15 (18:35-19:59) - 10.98m (50.1%)
19/12/15 (21:00-22:10) - 11.01m (48.4%), peak - 12.20m (52.7%) at 22:05 (this is a one minute peak I think)

Jonwo

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“^ On a similar note I think C5 should have been bolder and scheduled Slum Britain at 9PM where I think it was originally. There's a slot free on Thursday they could have used.

A very important PSB piece and deserved the biggest audience possible. Sod the ratings for one night.”

Apparently Slum Britain has caused Ben Frow to consider a creative review of the Channel for next year.

Dancc

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Apparently Slum Britain has caused Ben Frow to consider a creative review of the Channel for next year.”

I think we know which programmes he might be thinking of when he said this...

Originally Posted by Ben Frow:
“I watch [Slum Britain] now and in my head I was going, ‘what do we have coming up on our channel, what is the right thing to have on our channel and have I got anything on the channel now that I need to review – that, maybe now, it makes me feel it’s uncomfortable to have on the channel.”

Fair play to Chris Shaw and the guys at ITN - an unlikely commission for C5 on paper that could have a lasting impact on the types of programme they give the greenlight to going forward.

Originally Posted by Chris Shaw:
“We had a series of conversations about ways they could garner more attention in a subject area where they’ve garnered a reputation but not necessarily a brilliant reputation.

C5 doesn’t get a lot of credit for making films about the less well-off in society or the underclass…I just thought, actually, [let’s] challenge people’s preconceptions and prejudices – not just about the subject but about the channel – by putting a film like this on C5.”

http://m.broadcastnow.co.uk/5111834.article

Jonwo

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“I think we know which programmes he might be thinking of when he said this...

Fair play to Chris Shaw and the guys at ITN - an unlikely commission for C5 on paper that could have a lasting impact on the types of programme they give the greenlight to going forward.

http://m.broadcastnow.co.uk/5111834.article”

Chris Shaw used to work for 5 so it nice that he and Frow want to more serious shows and just not populist hits. I imagine benefits shows are on the way out but shows like Can't Pay or Nightmare Neighbour will remain as they're pulling in the ratings.

Steve Williams

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Also BBC1 has had drama on Wednesdays this Autumn. That's how it used to be back in the days of the 9 o'clock news. The 9.30 slot was:

Monday: Panorama
Tuesday: Drama
Wednesday: Documentary
Thursday: Comedy (and Crimewatch once a month)
Friday: Drama

So only two weekday post watershed slots given over to drama. Just like this Autumn.”

Well, indeed. And the thing about this argument is that the Mark Duggan programme actually won its slot. Against populist light entertainment.

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I have no problem with PSB, it's BBC1 being mainly factual and serious programming in Autumn on Mondays. It never used to be like that.”

Well, it did, it was Panorama for fifty years. And Wednesdays used to be nondescript factual all the way, and now it isn't.

kwynne42

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Personally not expecting much from This Is Us. It sounds like something which won't translate all that well to the UK market (see also Empire). Slightly surprised to see it on the main channel in such a prominent slot, although it looks as though it'll be pushed back to 10pm in January.”

And be on More 4 at 2am in the morning by the end of the series

sunbeam007

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Well, indeed. And the thing about this argument is that the Mark Duggan programme actually won its slot. Against populist light entertainment.

Well, it did, it was Panorama for fifty years. And Wednesdays used to be nondescript factual all the way, and now it isn't.”

I don't remember what BBC 1 showed after the news on Wednesdays. Was not Minder on Wednesdays? If so, that is why I don't remember the BBC programmes. I've a feeling Dallas was on at 8:10pm, or maybe 8 with PoV at 8:50.

The thing with Panorama is that it was just 50 minutes of documentary - I'm not calling it factual - which meant 80 minutes including the news. Recently there's been over two hours of it.
Having said that, I like what the BBC have shown on Monday, it's been important television.

I do wonder if that non-performance of Robbie Williams is any indication of how Let it Shine might do.

Score

07-12-2016

Only 850,000 (inc +1) for This is Us.

Not particularly surprised. It's tough to get audiences for US imports anyway and this looked far too corny for a British audience. The trailer looked to me like an unfunny American version of Cold Feet. I know it has a clever twist but you wouldn't know that unless you watched it.

Ray Tings

07-12-2016

BBC1: Top 3 (7pm-11pm)
EastEnders: 6.07m (31.3%)
Holby City: 4.29m (20.9%)
The One Show: 4.16m (21.9%)

Ray Tings

07-12-2016

BBC2: Top 3 (7pm-11pm)
MasterChef: the Professionals: 3.02m (14.7%)
The Choir: Gareth's Best in Britain: 2.00m (10.1%)
Celebrity Antiques Road Trip: 1.73m (9.0%)

Ray Tings

07-12-2016

Channel 4: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) (exc. +1)
The Secret Life of Five-Year-Olds: 1.21m (5.9%)
This Is Us: 0.77m (3.9%)
Channel 4 News: 0.68m (3.5%)

Ray Tings

07-12-2016

Channel 5: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) (exc. +1)
The Yorkshire Vet: 1.48m (7.2%)
Ben Fogle: New Lives in the Wild: 1.17m (5.9%)
Slum Britain: 50 Years On: 0.68m (5.5%)

Ray Tings

07-12-2016

BBC4: Top 3
Digging for Britain: 0.65m (3.3%)
Ian Hislop Goes Off the Rails (R): 0.57m (2.8%)
Railway Walks with Julia Bradbury (R): 0.40m (2.1%)

Ray Tings

07-12-2016

ITV excluding HD / excluding +1:
Emmerdale: 5.05m; Our Queen at 90: 1.48m; River Monsters: 1.45m

Straker

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Chris Shaw used to work for 5 so it nice that he and Frow want to more serious shows and just not populist hits. I imagine benefits shows are on the way out but shows like Can't Pay or Nightmare Neighbour will remain as they're pulling in the ratings.”

Talk is cheap. Talk we've been hearing for years now is even cheaper.

Can't Pay, Nightmare Neighbour and Benefits shows still making up the bulk of primetime for tonight and tomorrow.

Score

07-12-2016

Looks like Slum Britain did well in the late slot for C5. Would most likely have done 1m at 9pm, especially with C4 and ITV very weak.

ITV's repeat factual doing no worse than most of their new factual has done in that slot.

cylon6

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“BBC1: Top 3 (7pm-11pm)
EastEnders: 6.07m (31.3%)
Holby City: 4.29m (20.9%)
The One Show: 4.16m (21.9%)”

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“BBC2: Top 3 (7pm-11pm)
MasterChef: the Professionals: 3.02m (14.7%)
The Choir: Gareth's Best in Britain: 2.00m (10.1%)
Celebrity Antiques Road Trip: 1.73m (9.0%)”

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Channel 4: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) (exc. +1)
The Secret Life of Five-Year-Olds: 1.21m (5.9%)
This Is Us: 0.77m (3.9%)
Channel 4 News: 0.68m (3.5%)”

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Channel 5: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) (exc. +1)
The Yorkshire Vet: 1.48m (7.2%)
Ben Fogle: New Lives in the Wild: 1.17m (5.9%)
Slum Britain: 50 Years On: 0.68m (5.5%)”

Thanks Ray.

I expected This Is Us to be around there. It's a good rating for E4/More 4 which is where it would be a better fit. Other channels will be able to do very well opposite This Is Us. BBC2 had a good evening from 7-10pm. I don't see Rillington Place improving much

Ray Tings

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I don't see Rillington Place improving much”

Rillington Place at 9pm on BBC1 gained ground on Ep1, with 4.1m/20.9% @BanditTV_ @endemolshine http://overnights.tv

Dancc

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“And be on More 4 at 2am in the morning by the end of the series”

After such a bad start you wouldn't bet against that! Doesn't even look as though it will do a job for them at 10pm unless this twist that's been referred to generates sufficient word of mouth.

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Channel 5: Top 3 (7pm-11pm) (exc. +1)
Slum Britain: 50 Years On: 0.68m (5.5%)”

Good rating for Slum Britain, and it'll hopefully do well on catchup too.

Note that it in fact finished at 11:30, hence the well above average share.

cylon6

07-12-2016

Originally Posted by Ray Tings:
“Rillington Place at 9pm on BBC1 gained ground on Ep1, with 4.1m/20.9% @BanditTV_ @endemolshine http://overnights.tv”

Well that's me told!

derek500

07-12-2016

Last week's Rillington 3.695m, 16% share so 23m watching BARB reported TV.

Last night Rillington got 4.1m, 20.9% share so down to 19.6m total.

3.5m fewer total viewers for 9pm hour.

Christmas parties or the Netflix generation watching IAC last week?

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