Originally Posted by Ash_M1:
“Why don't Scotland understand Dad's Army?
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“Why don't Scotland understand Dad's Army?
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I dunno, but as far as I'm aware it's not on in Scotland, we usually get a Neil Oliver show instead.
The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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I dunno, but as far as I'm aware it's not on in Scotland, we usually get a Neil Oliver show instead.
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“For a final and big name acts that's beyond dire for X Factor in fact a serious joke.”
“For a final and big name acts that's beyond dire for X Factor in fact a serious joke.”
To think 7 years ago TXF final peaked at 17.48 million and was THE talking point on television. Now every season just seems to see the show fall lower in the ratings, while SCD, which was completely outrated by TXF 7 years ago, is 4-5 million ahead. I reckon next year TXF could fall below 5 million for the final as every twist and turn and novelty act has been used up now.
Yet ITV have become complacent, assuming TXF would continue to be a big hit forever. Now the show is in trouble and they have nothing to replace it with when the contract ends in 3 years time. Also they're lumbered with an expensive show that they would probably like to drop next year if it fails again, but can't
What a dreadful rating for X Factor - it's quite astonishing how poorly this year's lives have done when you look at the Auditions.
Not great for SCD either compared to previous weeks - but it's up yoy.
Not great for SCD either compared to previous weeks - but it's up yoy.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Not good for X Factor.
I think ITV should have kept tonight's final away from Planet Earth in a 9-10.30 slot. There's no reason why it should run for two hours. They could even fit it in to an hour slot!”
“Not good for X Factor.
I think ITV should have kept tonight's final away from Planet Earth in a 9-10.30 slot. There's no reason why it should run for two hours. They could even fit it in to an hour slot!”
Two different audiences. Both can rate high at the same time. That's not to say that X factor wil though.
Only a month until ITV start showing TV. Running off the back of a dire run for TXF, virewers are going to think not another ITV singing/reality show and this could suffer. Also TV has a habit of losing half its viewers after the revolving chairs round, and with the added annoyance of adverts, I can see TV tanking during its run on ITV. Then when this finishes, BGT. OK this has remained strong as TXF has faltered, getting 9 million viewers on average, but could this become a victim of talent fatigue next year, and is also entering its tenth year.
ITV do need to look at the future. I know IAC continually does well and looks safe as long as Ant and Dec want to present it, but TV, which was never the all conquering show BBC One wanted it to be, could flop, and both TXF and BGT are old shows now. Then there are less than successful celeb updates of eighties game shows like Family Fortunes and Mr and Mrs that need to be shown the door.
ITV do need to look at the future. I know IAC continually does well and looks safe as long as Ant and Dec want to present it, but TV, which was never the all conquering show BBC One wanted it to be, could flop, and both TXF and BGT are old shows now. Then there are less than successful celeb updates of eighties game shows like Family Fortunes and Mr and Mrs that need to be shown the door.
Funny, there's a poor X Factor live show rating and everybody instantly forgets about the 9/10 million the auditions brought in. Then we have Glenn A and the like with their repetitive doom-mongering. Shame really.
It still rates millions higher than anything else on ITV Saturdays, as we saw last night, so no need to move it. The highest-rated show deserves priority.
what exactly would that bring anybody? This thread needs to control its knee-jerk reactions to a single rating.
You are way too happy about it. Go outside for a bit.
Want to repeat this directly to me or are you too much of a coward?
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Do you think next year ITV should start to prioritise another show to the get the later slot on the weekends that will eventually take over from TXF. Each year the show returns with less viewers and still takes up the main slot in ITV's schedule.
Should they take the hit on TXF, and start pulling TXF forward to 7pm, so new shows can be launched off the back of TXF in an easier slot that's not against SCD?”
“Do you think next year ITV should start to prioritise another show to the get the later slot on the weekends that will eventually take over from TXF. Each year the show returns with less viewers and still takes up the main slot in ITV's schedule.
Should they take the hit on TXF, and start pulling TXF forward to 7pm, so new shows can be launched off the back of TXF in an easier slot that's not against SCD?”
It still rates millions higher than anything else on ITV Saturdays, as we saw last night, so no need to move it. The highest-rated show deserves priority.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“At this point I think X Factor just has its core fan base left. I would leave the auditions where they are, then after that I'd move it to Tuesdays, 8-10PM and Wednesdays 8-9PM. Figures would fall, but not that much lower than they already are.”
“At this point I think X Factor just has its core fan base left. I would leave the auditions where they are, then after that I'd move it to Tuesdays, 8-10PM and Wednesdays 8-9PM. Figures would fall, but not that much lower than they already are.”
what exactly would that bring anybody? This thread needs to control its knee-jerk reactions to a single rating.
Originally Posted by decafcappuccino:
“Xfactor
no one cares anymore its an embarrasing joke well past its sell by date and a 4 hour final doesnt help. And beaten by michael mcintyre ”
“Xfactor
no one cares anymore its an embarrasing joke well past its sell by date and a 4 hour final doesnt help. And beaten by michael mcintyre ”
You are way too happy about it. Go outside for a bit.
Originally Posted by RickLopez:
“It's so much quieter without DanR reacting viciously to posts like these.
Sadly he seems to have inhabited another forum and is dragging that one down too.”
“It's so much quieter without DanR reacting viciously to posts like these.
Sadly he seems to have inhabited another forum and is dragging that one down too.”
Want to repeat this directly to me or are you too much of a coward?
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Running off the back of a dire run for TXF”
“Running off the back of a dire run for TXF”
So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!
Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“ITV do have a dilemma on their hands with X Factor, it has fallen but it does skew into very favourable demographics (if this was the US, the Nielsen rating would be a big one)
However, they can't keep supporting it as it falls. So do they let it limp on, in what seems to be terminal decline until it fizzles out a la DOI or do they try some bold scheduling to try and keep it?
It really depends how well The Voice does for them, if they manage to revive the format (which is a big if considering how many switched off last year) then they have a ready made XF replacement and I'd look to market next year's X Factor as a swansong and let it go out on a relative high. If not, you could look at moving Britains got Talent to the Winter, Keep the Voice in Spring, and have SNT in the spring summer BGT slot. You could easily extend the BGT format slightly by taking on some of the US format and then strip the finals the week before Christmas- Peak Advertising time across 5 nights of the week would look attractive rather than in the middle of summer like it is now.
I don't think the loss of XF would be too great imo, ITV could definitely mitigate it but it depends on schedules and and having a bit of a plan for post XF. It definitely won't be here post 2020 so putting the infrastructure in place to quietly drop it would be a good move.
(This is purely figures based by the way, I think I must be the only one that actually enjoyed last nights final, it was well done I thought)”
“ITV do have a dilemma on their hands with X Factor, it has fallen but it does skew into very favourable demographics (if this was the US, the Nielsen rating would be a big one)
However, they can't keep supporting it as it falls. So do they let it limp on, in what seems to be terminal decline until it fizzles out a la DOI or do they try some bold scheduling to try and keep it?
It really depends how well The Voice does for them, if they manage to revive the format (which is a big if considering how many switched off last year) then they have a ready made XF replacement and I'd look to market next year's X Factor as a swansong and let it go out on a relative high. If not, you could look at moving Britains got Talent to the Winter, Keep the Voice in Spring, and have SNT in the spring summer BGT slot. You could easily extend the BGT format slightly by taking on some of the US format and then strip the finals the week before Christmas- Peak Advertising time across 5 nights of the week would look attractive rather than in the middle of summer like it is now.
I don't think the loss of XF would be too great imo, ITV could definitely mitigate it but it depends on schedules and and having a bit of a plan for post XF. It definitely won't be here post 2020 so putting the infrastructure in place to quietly drop it would be a good move.
(This is purely figures based by the way, I think I must be the only one that actually enjoyed last nights final, it was well done I thought)”
The daytime soap died in America.
The sitcom is struggling in America and we are ahead of them.
The evening soap is bleeding here and the Americans are ahead of us.
Primetime gameshows are barely around here.
Movies don't do much.
Maybe light entertainment is following the same trend. I assume other countries aren't finding new big hits because if they were we would be buying them. ITV have already snapped up LBS and Dance³.
This is the age of drama and you only have to look at what sells Netflix and Amazon to see that. Even sport is starting to struggle.
The Yanks are right to highlight demographic ratings because we have two sorts of hit shows out there. Shows like GBBO and IAC which do well with both demos are rare, rare beasts.
3.5m for a younger skewing show is a hit. For an older show it is 5m. For a drama it seems to be around 4.5m. I'm talking overnights here, the BBC should do a bit better because of the adverts thing.
It's a new World order.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!”
“So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!”
The last time I checked, TXF wasn't getting 8/9/10m.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Funny, there's a poor X Factor live show rating and everybody instantly forgets about the 9/10 million the auditions brought in. Then we have Glenn A and the like with their repetitive doom-mongering. Shame really.
It still rates millions higher than anything else on ITV Saturdays, as we saw last night, so no need to move it. The highest-rated show deserves priority.
what exactly would that bring anybody? This thread needs to control its knee-jerk reactions to a single rating.
You are way too happy about it. Go outside for a bit.
Want to repeat this directly to me or are you too much of a coward?”
“Funny, there's a poor X Factor live show rating and everybody instantly forgets about the 9/10 million the auditions brought in. Then we have Glenn A and the like with their repetitive doom-mongering. Shame really.
It still rates millions higher than anything else on ITV Saturdays, as we saw last night, so no need to move it. The highest-rated show deserves priority.
what exactly would that bring anybody? This thread needs to control its knee-jerk reactions to a single rating.
You are way too happy about it. Go outside for a bit.
Want to repeat this directly to me or are you too much of a coward?”
Bloody Hell you haven't chilled then.
Did you see how many kids were screaming for the acts? Mighf be an idea to start at 6:30 or try a different night.
Change can be good. You should try some of it.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!”
“So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!”
Dan, come on, you've had a good run but it's over. There's no defending last nights figure.
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Not sure if it was reported on here, but TalkTalk are not renewing their sponsorship deal. Who replaces them will be a big sign. If it's a lesser known/smaller company than it will definitely show that X Factor is not seen as used to be.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!”
“So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!”
Maybe at the start of the show's run', but 6.2 million for a final is dire. Also people have been turning over to BBC One on Sundays to watch quality like PE 2, which has been averaging 10 million viewers, and on Saturdays Michael Mc Intyre has been achieving 6 million viewers. Another sign of TXF's decline is its main cheerleaders in the press, The Sun and the Daily Star, largely ignoring the show and allowing their journalists to criticise it, which would have been heresy a few years ago.
Now don't get me wrong, Dan, at its height this was a very good show and excellently made and delivered the sort of Saturday ratings we'd last seen in the early 90s. Yet since then, the tiresome novelty acts, endless stunts and nastiness that the show didn't have in the noughties has wrecked it for me and millions of others.
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“The last time I checked, TXF wasn't getting 8/9/10m.”
“The last time I checked, TXF wasn't getting 8/9/10m.”
Check back to October then. Y'know, barely two months ago.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Dan, come on, you've had a good run but it's over. There's no defending last nights figure.
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Not sure if it was reported on here, but TalkTalk are not renewing their sponsorship deal. Who replaces them will be a big sign. If it's a lesser known/smaller company than it will definitely show that X Factor is not seen as used to be.”
“Dan, come on, you've had a good run but it's over. There's no defending last nights figure.
**
Not sure if it was reported on here, but TalkTalk are not renewing their sponsorship deal. Who replaces them will be a big sign. If it's a lesser known/smaller company than it will definitely show that X Factor is not seen as used to be.”
Seems to be an issue with the live shows which is prevalent across these types of shows. Although it seemed like a disaster st the time, for next year it might be worth reverting to last years schedule to drag out the earlier stages and boost the series average that way.
If I was ITV, I would move The X Factor to 7pm within the next few years against Strictly. It'll hurt it slightly, but the demographics will still be very favourable and then they can use the lead-in to launch a new hit.
Just noticed H suggested the same thing.
Just noticed H suggested the same thing.
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“Dan, come on, you've had a good run but it's over. There's no defending last nights figure.”
“Dan, come on, you've had a good run but it's over. There's no defending last nights figure.”
And there shouldn't be any slating of the numbers it got earlier in the series. As soon as there's a poor rating for a Syco show this thread explodes with calls for cancellation, tedious over-analysis and scheduling ideas which make no sense, and the good-to-amazing ratings they got at a different point in the series are forgotten.
I don't know why anybody's so shocked about this figure. It's pretty much where many of the Saturday shows have been this year anyway. At least it didn't drop a million week-on-week like it did last year.
Originally Posted by xeo:
“If I was ITV, I would move The X Factor to 7pm within the next few years against Strictly. It'll hurt it slightly, but the demographics will still be very favourable and then they can use the lead-in to launch a new hit.
Just noticed H suggested the same thing.”
“If I was ITV, I would move The X Factor to 7pm within the next few years against Strictly. It'll hurt it slightly, but the demographics will still be very favourable and then they can use the lead-in to launch a new hit.
Just noticed H suggested the same thing.
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Move it to 6:30-8:00/8:30 and you might find scd shifts to closer to 7:30. That would work better for XF but the follow-up show will struggle.
Realistically, if you want to create a new hit show, you do it surrounded by BGT. That's not to say SCD is bullet-proof - last night's rating shows that.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“And there shouldn't be any slating of the numbers it got earlier in the series. As soon as there's a poor rating for a Syco show this thread explodes with calls for cancellation, tedious over-analysis and scheduling ideas which make no sense, and the good-to-amazing ratings they got at a different point in the series are forgotten.
I don't know why anybody's so shocked about this figure. It's pretty much where many of the Saturday shows have been this year anyway. At least it didn't drop a million week-on-week like it did last year.”
“And there shouldn't be any slating of the numbers it got earlier in the series. As soon as there's a poor rating for a Syco show this thread explodes with calls for cancellation, tedious over-analysis and scheduling ideas which make no sense, and the good-to-amazing ratings they got at a different point in the series are forgotten.
I don't know why anybody's so shocked about this figure. It's pretty much where many of the Saturday shows have been this year anyway. At least it didn't drop a million week-on-week like it did last year.”
There's been tedious over-analysis and scheduling ideas for Xmas and January and February these past few weeks. It's a silly thread about TV - it's what we do!
Originally Posted by dennisboy:
“DS, can you ban him again?”
“DS, can you ban him again?”
They don't ban people for having an opinion you don't like, sorry. Not everybody in this thread is going to agree with you. Suck it up.
Not meaning to 'do an ADP', but I shall remind you of the rules:
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[quote=Glenn A;84859889]To think 7 years ago TXF final peaked at 17.48 million and was THE talking point on television. Now every season just seems to see the show fall lower in the ratings, while SCD, which was completely outrated by TXF 7 years ago, is 4-5 million ahead. I reckon next year TXF could fall below 5 million for the final as every twist and turn and novelty act has been used up now.
Yet ITV have become complacent, assuming TXF would continue to be a big hit forever. Now the show is in trouble and they have nothing to replace it with when the contract ends in 3 years time. Also they're lumbered with an expensive show that they would probably like to drop next year if it fails again, but can't[/QUOTE]
Just because they have the rights that doesn't mean they have to run it though- They dropped Rising Star like a hot potato even though they had started casting for it. It's an expensive show to make, the panel won't be cheap, the production is expensive, if it ceases to be commercially viable they'll drop it regardless of the contract.
I think tonights rating will be the interesting one to see if the final can still pull the casuals and the peak should tell us how many are still interesting in finding out the winner. Anything over 7m would be good for the show, anything under 6m would be really poor.
Yet ITV have become complacent, assuming TXF would continue to be a big hit forever. Now the show is in trouble and they have nothing to replace it with when the contract ends in 3 years time. Also they're lumbered with an expensive show that they would probably like to drop next year if it fails again, but can't[/QUOTE]
Just because they have the rights that doesn't mean they have to run it though- They dropped Rising Star like a hot potato even though they had started casting for it. It's an expensive show to make, the panel won't be cheap, the production is expensive, if it ceases to be commercially viable they'll drop it regardless of the contract.
I think tonights rating will be the interesting one to see if the final can still pull the casuals and the peak should tell us how many are still interesting in finding out the winner. Anything over 7m would be good for the show, anything under 6m would be really poor.
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Second time I've watched the NFL Show on Dear Auntie BBC - it's very well done. Both entertaining and informative which is a good boost for the sport here.”
“Second time I've watched the NFL Show on Dear Auntie BBC - it's very well done. Both entertaining and informative which is a good boost for the sport here.”
The best of BBC sports coverage. They've captured the kind of blokey good humour underpinned with deep professional knowledge that Match of the Day has never quite managed. In Mark Chapman, Jason Bell, and Osi Umenyiora they've found a great team that makes the show worth considering even if you have no interest in the game just as entertainment. Umenyiora's similes are gold!
ITV aren't "lumbered" with TXF. They renewed it only this year! People going on about it being expensive - it's obviously still massively profitable or they wouldn't have renewed it this year (and probably got a good price for it).
No doubt it ought to be doing much better figures, but ITV still only have a handful of shows that rate better.
No doubt it ought to be doing much better figures, but ITV still only have a handful of shows that rate better.
Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Want to repeat this directly to me or are you too much of a coward?”
“Want to repeat this directly to me or are you too much of a coward?”
Hi Dan
I think you spoil this thread with your personal attacks on other FMs and your adoration of Syco meaning you can't accept any other opinion without trying to attack it.
From,
Rick
Originally Posted by AcerBen:
“The Weeknd is one of the biggest popstars on the planet right now.”
“The Weeknd is one of the biggest popstars on the planet right now.”
You sure? He only looks about 5'8", 5'9" maybe?
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