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And there shouldn't be any slating of the numbers it got earlier in the series. As soon as there's a poor rating for a Syco show this thread explodes with calls for cancellation, tedious over-analysis and scheduling ideas which make no sense, and the good-to-amazing ratings they got at a different point in the series are forgotten.
I don't know why anybody's so shocked about this figure. It's pretty much where many of the Saturday shows have been this year anyway. At least it didn't drop a million week-on-week like it did last year. |
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ITV aren't "lumbered" with TXF. They renewed it only this year! People going on about it being expensive - it's obviously still massively profitable or they wouldn't have renewed it this year (and probably got a good price for it).
No doubt it ought to be doing much better figures, but ITV still only have a handful of shows that rate better. Quote:
Maybe because it's the final?
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I love X Factor but they've made such a mess of this series. Expressed my criticism to the one of the shows producers, Mark Sidaway, and was blocked by him on Twitter. It's like they don't listen to any of the shows fans. Espeically Simon, who is so out of touch with what the British public like. It's basically impossible to turn this ratings slide around.
The X Factor is now deemed a fixed, staged show throughout it's course and they haven't done much about it. Something else I've noticed this year is that they seem to be wanting this series to do bad, bad final 12, OTT judges who will like literally everything presented to them, Halloween theme 'randomly' picked for Halloween Weekend, the other 800 fix rumours, Honey G, Bratavio etc. That whole chicken thing on it's most viewed episode of the series turned viewers off and rightfully so. Last night was rather dreadful. Awful duets, awful singing. Saara is the only who interested me. I predict it'll be the worst rated final tonight, if it's below 7 million it's officially done. |
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So 10minutes before TXF starts, its under 2m. 10minutes before SCD starts its already at 7m.
Lead in's do help, and ITV is doing nothing to help TXF. Its having to start off from a lower base, thus decreasing the average. Now that its a weaker show, it needs all the help it can get. |
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Move it to 6:30-8:00/8:30 and you might find scd shifts to closer to 7:30. That would work better for XF but the follow-up show will struggle.
Realistically, if you want to create a new hit show, you do it surrounded by BGT. That's not to say SCD is bullet-proof - last night's rating shows that. |
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I love X Factor but they've made such a mess of this series. Expressed my criticism to the one of the shows producers, Mark Sidaway, and was blocked by him on Twitter. It's like they don't listen to any of the shows fans. Espeically Simon, who is so out of touch with what the British public like.
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The X Factor is now deemed a fixed, staged show throughout it's course and they haven't done much about it.
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Something else I've noticed this year is that they seem to be wanting this series to do bad, bad final 12, OTT judges who will like literally everything presented to them, Halloween theme 'randomly' picked for Halloween Weekend, the other 800 fix rumours, Honey G, Bratavio etc. That whole chicken thing on it's most viewed episode of the series turned viewers off and rightfully so.
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Last night was rather dreadful. Awful duets, awful singing.
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The best of BBC sports coverage. They've captured the kind of blokey good humour underpinned with deep professional knowledge that Match of the Day has never quite managed. In Mark Chapman, Jason Bell, and Osi Umenyiora they've found a great team that makes the show worth considering even if you have no interest in the game just as entertainment. Umenyiora's similes are gold!
It'll also cost buttons as Osi and Bell are possibly getting some money from the NFL to do it. The NFL gets former players to do TV as part of their media training development program. It's why former players do the odd day on sky, it's part of their training. Having said that, they're probably doing it for a small BBC wage and clearly are having lots of fun along the way. It's so much more relaxed than MOTD. |
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So 10minutes before TXF starts, its under 2m. 10minutes before SCD starts its already at 7m.
Lead in's do help, and ITV is doing nothing to help TXF. Its having to start off from a lower base, thus decreasing the average. Now that its a weaker show, it needs all the help it can get. |
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I love X Factor but they've made such a mess of this series. Expressed my criticism to the one of the shows producers, Mark Sidaway, and was blocked by him on Twitter. It's like they don't listen to any of the shows fans. Espeically Simon, who is so out of touch with what the British public like. It's basically impossible to turn this ratings slide around.
The X Factor is now deemed a fixed, staged show throughout it's course and they haven't done much about it. Something else I've noticed this year is that they seem to be wanting this series to do bad, bad final 12, OTT judges who will like literally everything presented to them, Halloween theme 'randomly' picked for Halloween Weekend, the other 800 fix rumours, Honey G, Bratavio etc. That whole chicken thing on it's most viewed episode of the series turned viewers off and rightfully so. Last night was rather dreadful. Awful duets, awful singing. Saara is the only who interested me. I predict it'll be the worst rated final tonight, if it's below 7 million it's officially done. Many disliked Honey G and Ed Balls but the public kept voting for them. The judges and the public both wanted to dump Saara - now she's about to win it. BTW - last night was really the semi final, tonight is the real Final. |
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The episode is clearly filmed in midweek
It has been shown on Friday's occasionally so I imagine that's when it's recorded. The Tuesday version which includes all the weekend's and Monday's game is presumably recorded on the day.
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If I was ITV, I would move The X Factor to 7pm within the next few years against Strictly. It'll hurt it slightly, but the demographics will still be very favourable and then they can use the lead-in to launch a new hit.
Just noticed H suggested the same thing. ![]() Its a challenge to come up with new LE shows, but there is very little effort in finding one. However I do like the sound of Big Heads and Little Big Shots, particuarly the former. I'm still confused as to why ITV have 'apparently' given the green light to a 2nd series of Go For It. Another bland Mulhern shows that is doing very little to deserve a 2nd series. Before ITV schedule TXF at 7pm, we need to see a few big commissions that look like they could capture an audience on a Saturday night, and won't flop, whilst TXF is struggling at 7pm. But I think we're a long way off from that. If they were clever, they would have used TXF when it was big to boost new shows.But they didn't, and they are still not doing it with BGT - gifting the post BGT slot to Play To The Whistle. |
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X Factor was getting a lower lead-in on Sundays from Jekyll and Hyde last year and was higher. The live shows are the main problem.
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So 8/9/10 million figures are "dire"? Your selective memory is hilarious!
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Er ... clearly not as it includes highlights of Thursday's game (unless the Beeb's invested in a top of the range futurescope!)
It has been shown on Friday's occasionally so I imagine that's when it's recorded. The Tuesday version which includes all the weekend's and Monday's game is presumably recorded on the day. |
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So 10minutes before TXF starts, its under 2m. 10minutes before SCD starts its already at 7m.
Lead in's do help, and ITV is doing nothing to help TXF. Its having to start off from a lower base, thus decreasing the average. Now that its a weaker show, it needs all the help it can get. |
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The X Factor: 5.52m (26.9%) - lower than last year
Dear God! That is a dreadful rating for part 1 of the XF final. Down 0.4m on last year and it's worst rating of the series so far. ITV have a serious problem on their hands here. I can't recall a show in the last 10 years to start like it did and fall from such a height to this. Once it's all over they'll be a show about it on Channel 5 - The Rise and Fall of The X Factor. Quote:
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Strictly Come Dancing: 9.95m (46.5%) * peak: 10.85m (47.2%) at 20.00 Michael McIntyre's Big Show: 5.60m (26.8%) Strictly didn't get 11.5m did it? But the shares tell the story. Interesting how ever since 2013 the semi final hasn't done as well as previous weeks. Semi Final ratings (performance show): 2016: 10.0m 2015: 9.7m 2014: 9.8m 2013: 9.9m Quote:
Funny, there's a poor X Factor live show rating and everybody instantly forgets about the 9/10 million the auditions brought in. Then we have Glenn A and the like with their repetitive doom-mongering. Shame really.
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Looked to me that it was clearly recorded on around Tuesday and then they edit in TNF highlights. I'm only going off yesterday's edition.
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Once it's all over they'll be a show about it on Channel 5 - The Rise and Fall of The X Factor.
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Yesterday's edition included, well featured actually, highlights of Chiefs/Raiders which occurred yesterday morning UK time (Thursday games are not necessarily played on Thursday!) so it really could not have been recorded other than on the day of broadcast.
![]() Unless my memory is playing up on me, yesterday's show featured no analysis of the TNF game. The boys discussed a 6 day old game instead because they probably filmed those discussions long before TNF. All they did was show TNF highlights and have Chapman do an audio bringing the show up to date. Also, the Chiefs/Raiders game wasn't played yesterday/Saturday, it was played on Thursday night - or Friday between 1:30 and 4:40AM UK time. I know this because I stayed up and watched the game live. I then rewatched it on Friday afternoon and then, on Saturday AM, watched the condensed version of the game so that I can recheck the notes that I had made breaking down the game. Hell I've rewound and rewatched certain plays 50+ times. My wife is truly blessed. Now you know why I've no time to watch British television programmes. ![]()
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It's hardly just one rating though is it. It's the rating for THE FINAL - and the lowest of the series so far. 5.5m is an embarrassing number for it and if ITV do have it for another 3-years, imagine how low it will be by 2019. Under 4m maybe?!
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Yesterday's edition included, well featured actually, highlights of Chiefs/Raiders which occurred Friday morning UK time.
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Well tbh we don't know how accurate TV ratings really are. It's a survey of, what, 5000 people? They may be miles off for all we know (but maybe not).
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20:10 - Dallas: 14.36m
21:00 - News 21:15 - Miss Marple: The Body in the Library (Part One): 9.50m 22:10 - Dave Allen: 9.85m 23:00 - Kenny and Dolly: A Christmas to Remember: 7.43m 23:45 - Golf: The One Club Challenge: 2.90m ITV 17:30 - Name That Tune: 11.16m 18:00 - This Is Your Life Special: Millicent Martin: 12.08m 18:45 - Coronation Street: 13.65m 19:15 - The Mike Yarwood Show: 10.48m 20:15 - Minder: 13.43m 21:15 - Film: Airplane! (Premiere): 18.09m Quote:
Mike Yarwood was on the wane by the mid 80s. ITV did well over Christmas, I remember watching Airplane too. Didn't realise the premiere was so huge!
![]() Despite the decline of Mike Yarwood Thames were still very good to him, they kept on giving him good slots and recommissioning his shows. I always think the odd thing about Mike Yarwood is that when Morecambe and Wise left, he was clearly sitting pretty at the Beeb and was now undisputed top dog, and then decided to go as well and play second fiddle to Morecambe and Wise again. Obviously, the theory is always that Eric and Ern were wrong to go to Thames and it was a disaster, but as we saw the other week their ratings were still big, and they had a lovely time there. I've got an IBA Yearbook from the early eighties where they talk about how they'd been personally lured over by Thames' Philip Jones and Jones was their favourite person they'd ever worked with because he was such a lovely man. And I've got a load of early eighties TV Times and they are all over them, regularly on the cover and getting loads of coverage. I know the shows weren't as good, but they had a great time there. And made loads of money, I don't think they regretted it one bit, and Thames didn't regret signing them either. Same as Des Lynam on ITV, he was rubbish on there but he didn't care, he got loads of money and they let him do what he wanted. Quote:
Miss Marple did better in 1987 with A Caribbean Mystery. I think that had over 13m but still lost to ITV I think.
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Though there are then 10 new episodes of a 'send off' Deal or No Deal roadshow that starts Monday and has been put in a 4 pm slot like it used to have in its prime.
But head to head with Tipping Point so not likely to do that well either. These shows see the game played from a variety of locations - including the Trafford Centre, Eden Project, Windsor Safari Park, aboard a jet plane, up Blackpool Tower, down Wookey Hole and so on! Starts aboard the Flying Scotsman steam train on Monday. After that - at 7 pm on 30 December - Channel 4 is premiering the first of their new possible vehicles for Noel Edmonds - basically a kind of Swap Shop 2016. In which he appears on a revolving stage and seeks to whip up the audience into bidding for used items such as unwanted presents or family heirlooms being sold off to raise cash for people with a variety of desperate needs and sob stories for their desire to reach the sum set down for the item. Be interesting to see if it was just DOND the audience got fed up with or Noel. As for the new shows, I find it odd how C4 seem so keen to keep this relationship with Noel going. He's had over a decade on the channel, which is good going for anyone on any channel, and you would have thought that what this show ending, and him constantly appearing in the papers shooting his mouth off about this and that and getting into arguments with people, you would assume that would be enough. But no, they're giving him loads of new formats. Heaven knows why. Quote:
On ITV now Go For It Special. Is this really a special edition or just one left over from the last series?
They are advertising for new contestants within the programme so it must have been re-commissioned. They used to do that loads in the past, shove out any leftover episodes of series over Christmas as a "special". I've probably said this before but I vividly remember ITV showing a leftover episode of Take Your Pick on Christmas Eve 1992, and it started with Des saying "Hi, just popped in to tell you about the Christmas special of Des O'Connor Tonight", and then after he'd plugged that, he said "Here's an episode of Take Your Pick we didn't have time to show you earlier", presumably in case anyone was wondering why it didn't have any references to Christmas in it. Quote:
Normally, I'd expect channels to be wary of recommissioning a drama after one episode, but I suppose ordering just two more episodes isn't much of a risk, even if it doesn't get much of an overnight rating for the Christmas Day episode. Really not sure about starting it two thirds of the way through Midwife.
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Any reason why Midsomer Muders has been cut to just a three-part series?
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Second time I've watched the NFL Show on Dear Auntie BBC - it's very well done. Both entertaining and informative which is a good boost for the sport here.
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The best of BBC sports coverage. They've captured the kind of blokey good humour underpinned with deep professional knowledge that Match of the Day has never quite managed. In Mark Chapman, Jason Bell, and Osi Umenyiora they've found a great team that makes the show worth considering even if you have no interest in the game just as entertainment. Umenyiora's similes are gold!
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Graham norton is scrapping the barrel tonight. Grayson perry, sandi Toksvig, nadiya Hussain and the only a list name Carrie Fisher
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What sort of verbal kicking would Jonathan Ross have got from this thread if he'd had that line-up?
The success of a chat show or any panel show is nothing to do with the level of fame, or otherwise, of the guests. If they're really famous and say absolutely nothing of interest, so what? It's not worth them being there. Judge them on the contribution they make to the show, not on their name. I found Grayson Perry's appearance very worthwhile, he said lots of interesting things and in general it is quite interesting to have someone like that on a primetime chat show. And it's especially important on Norton where it's all about the blend of guests, where they all get on together and spark off each other. I thought this week's guests did that especially well, it was a well-chosen and interesting line-up. The worst episodes of Norton have been when they've had very famous guests and they've contributed bugger all. Plus also, what's a good guest on one show isn't necessarily a good guest for another. It's like when Des O'Connor Tonight and Clive Anderson Talks Back were running at the same time, what would be a good guest for the former wouldn't necessarily be good for the latter because they were different shows with different audience. In addition, I find the "I've not heard of these people" argument so infuriating. Don't revel in your ignorance, look them up. It's particularly annoying as they're the same people who complain about the same old people appearing on TV over and over again, and the second any show tried to use new talent, or go for someone different, they go "I've never heard of these people, this is rubbish". Drives me up the wall. |
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The main problem with British television in recent years is overkill and keeping shows going past their sell by date. Where once we had the soaps on three times a week, now it's four to six, which surely isn't doing anything for ratings or quality. Also we have expensive clapped out shows like BB, which is really ailing now, kept going because Channel 4 has some kind of nostalgic attachment to it.
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You could shake hands with the number of viewers "Walliams And Friend" gets... x. (barb)
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It has been shown on Friday's occasionally so I imagine that's when it's recorded. The Tuesday version which includes all the weekend's and Monday's game is presumably recorded on the day.

Dear God! That is a dreadful rating for part 1 of the XF final. Down 0.4m on last year and it's worst rating of the series so far.
