Well, nobody predicted that (if it happens). Still, Thursdays didn't do Death In Paradise any harm. Bake Off on Wednesdays and Mrs Brown's Boys Live on a summer Saturday at 9.45pm shows if the audience want to watch a programme, they'll find it wherever it goes.

Well, IMO as long as the normal version is higher than the lowest rated series, it'll be safe (1.36M).

The series deserved to be much higher than this current CBB, it was superior in every way.

Yes, if true then it's a surprising move but one I quite like. Lighter drama has often done well on Thursdays. Death in Paradise is one example as you've said, but also Doc Martin started out on Thursdays and I think Hustle successfully spent a lot of its life there. It won't get a Corrie lead-in but Love of Dogs isn't an awful lead-in and it really should at least launch well by itself given the nostalgia. If it can do well there (and as long as it's good there's no reason why it can't) then it'd give ITV a good Thursday night run.

Plus it means the cushier Monday slot is free to launch the new 8 part crime drama Paranoid which feels like a good fit for the slot (it's from Red Productions, the makers of Scott & Bailey and Happy Valley). ITV have got a lot of new drama and not a huge amount of returning drama this Autumn so probably important to give a new title a good shot.

Would love to know what the commissioner at ITV was smoking when he commissioned spotless. Without a doubt the biggest piece of crap ever seen on TV

They haven't commissioned it. It's a pilot and I'd be highly surprised if they do commission it based on the reaction!

No idea why it's on screen actually.

Very odd in as much as it hasn't be trailed at all, and never even mentioned by continuity announcers

Earlier on tonight the announcer said "Coming up tonight on ITV and its say what you see with Stephen Mulhern and Catchphrase at 8:15, then at 9:00...." Ignoring what was on before.

It's almost like they are some how contractually obliged to show it, so have shown it on the very last weekend of the summer season, up against the Olympics.

There was a show that had the same treatment a few Christmasses ago, a one off game show hosted by Dale Winton shown on 'middle saturday' that was equally ignored by both viewers and the channel itself.

It's up against the Olympics, they've spent a few bob on a pilot, might as well get rid of it while no-one notices as they won't be commissioning a series.

Although TV companies make plenty of non-transmission pilots.

I guess, though, if you screen the pilot and get great wads of negative feedback from the viewers then it makes it easier to say "no dice" to producers before you commit to a series.

You know when we say ITV should put up a fight... This is when they really shouldn't have bothered.

Makes no difference if they put something new on or not, it's still crap.

ITV should try and shop around for some new programme makers. The words destroy within sounds applicable here.

The quote about "The itv demographic love him" I took to refer to all of the itv shows Morgan has appeared in. It appeared at the start of a paragraph listing all of his itv appearances, including "Britain's Got Talent" but also later taking in "Good Morning Britain", which then leads to the other quote about "1m scrambling to their remotes" every morning. That is as it appears in the article.

I'm not sure why you are taking offence when I haven't misconstrued or misrepresented anything. It's not as if I was criticising Piers Morgan. It's true I did quote that 1m bit because I was surprised as I didn't realise "Good Morning Britain" was getting 1m every morning based on the figures we've been seeing. I am assuming the article was alluding to the daily peak figures, though.

Was there a peak for the hockey?

Clare Balding referred to 9 million last night but I haven't seen that figure anywhere.

From Steve Williams (via the Broadcast app):

MOTD 2.76m
Proms 650k
Edinburgh Nights 330k
BBC2 Olympics 2.01m

Spotless 1.04m exc HD
Catchphrase 1.85m exc HD
Bourne 1.36m exc HD
Romcoms 790k
Championship 440k
Big Brother 860k
BBC4 Olympics at 7pm 490k

No +1s included here.

Appalling for Spotless. Not really surprising, with HD and +1 it'll be around 1.3m, which is similar to the Dale Winton show Andy mentioned yesterday that got similar treatment a few years ago. No idea why they bumped Catchphrase back an hour for it as that seems to have suffered for it. Low for Bourne but actually better than last week. Still a rotten night for them. Possibly deliberate to make X Factor look better next week!

A pity Broadcast hasn't reported the BBC1 Olympics numbers. Not a great deal of note elsewhere.

[quote=Score;83676566]From Steve Williams (via the Broadcast app):

MOTD 2.76m
Proms 650k
Edinburgh Nights 330k
BBC2 Olympics 2.01m

Spotless 1.04m exc HD
Catchphrase 1.85m exc HD
Bourne 1.36m exc HD
Romcoms 790k
Championship 440k
Big Brother 860k
BBC4 Olympics at 7pm 490k

No +1s included here.

Appalling for Spotless. Not really surprising, with HD and +1 it'll be around 1.3m, which is similar to the Dale Winton show Andy mentioned yesterday that got similar treatment a few years ago. No idea why they bumped Catchphrase back an hour for it as that seems to have suffered for it. Low for Bourne but actually better than last week. Still a rotten night for them. Possibly deliberate to make X Factor look better next week!

A pity Broadcast hasn't reported the BBC1 Olympics numbers. Not a great deal of note elsewhere.[/QUOTE

Dire numbers.

A bad night all around. Hope X-Factor gets bad numbers like that next week

You really need to let go.

Hmm, i very much doubt.

I'd say 7.3m, only around 6m more than ITV can muster recently

The 2014 X Factor Saturday live shows averaged 7.72m and then the 2015 series launched with 7.65m. Last year's Saturday live shows then averaged 6.39m.

Based on that, I'll predict 6.3m for X Factor next Saturday.

The Sunday launch got 6.47m last year, off the back of 7.65m on the Saturday.

Based on that, I'll predict 5.4m for X Factor next Sunday.

I've rounded those predictions to 1.d.p. Let's see if I'm right, or even remotely close.

I'd imagine ITV would be disappointed with that outcome, but it wouldn't surprise me. It feels like last year did a lot of damage and whilst they're reverting back this year, it might just be too little too late and the trailers haven't been very good (which isn't a reflection of what the show will be like as they've had barely any content).

It's ITV's own fault - as you touch upon, they haven't bothered putting together a proper trailer for it this year.

Honestly I wish Simon would move his shows to a different network, ITV are completely useless. They think they can push the two shows around and they'll be bulletproof. Either that or they only care about paying the smallest contract price possible - moving the launch away from a bank holiday doesn't require that much intelligence, does it?

What a blatant under prediction. You can't just say it'll rate the same as the average of last year's lives. That happened ONE year, in 2013 and 2014 the launch went up so I expect it'll rate between 7.5-8m (inc.+1).

Indeed. I used to really like TXF a few years' back, but it's so tired and out of ideas now that it really needs putting down.

It'd be nice to see it tank next week.

You are so right. The trouble is, there is no other commercial network that has the same footing as ITV in the UK. C4, C5, Sky 1 would bring much inferior ratings.

There has been at least 3 trailers, all of which have been airing regularly on ITV.

Another network? That would be a sensible decision. Sub 2m on Channel 4/5 .

The thing is, it's a very limited talent show and with all the allegations of fixing, it has no place in my view. I think Strictly with it's big names will destroy it come September / October, though my problem with that is I think televoting in that needs to be reduced to about 5% of the final outcome to stop bad dancers going far.

Good grief, how many times have those Bourne films been shown over the last few years.