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Old 14-12-2016, 00:54
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God no. If you can, search for the ITV Weekly Reach Crisis thread he created. Interesting stuff...

I know people "miss" him but there is only so much ITV bashing people can take before things get really heated. I was looking in the thread archives from December 2013 and it gave me a headache reading all the arguments.
Haha. Will look at it in the morning. Wonder what will each program tonight will do to eachother? Interesting handful of battles there. EastEnders v Royal Variety Performance in the 7:30-8 slot with Holby in the 8-9 slot andRillington Place in the 9-10 slot. If one will dent the other or will they leave each other alone?
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Old 14-12-2016, 02:05
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I notice on ITV Press Centre, they have Ninja Warrior UK down from 7pm on Saturday 7th Janaury.

That will mean it will got head to head with Let It Shine. I think that means TVUK will be on Saturday, and Dance on Sunday.
I've just watched Norton's interview with Will.I.am and Norton's joke that 'other programmes are available' implied that the two shows will clash. 8pm seemed the obvious slot since they religiously kept XF there.

I imagine The Chase or some other quiz will precede Ninja. For such an expensive show, 18:30 on a Sunday [guessing] seems early.

https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv...me-dancing/amp
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Old 14-12-2016, 08:10
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Following Mark Austin's exit, Mary Nightingale is to become the sole anchor of ITV Evening News from January.
It will be sad to see the end of the winning duo, and indeed having two newsreaders on-screen. But glad they aren't pairing Mary up with anyone else and giving the programme solely to her. Considering it's by far ITV News highest rated programme.

When is Mark's final news bulletin i wonder?
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Old 14-12-2016, 08:13
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I think BBC1 will win the film clash by a mile. Frozen is a big film, its on BBC1 Christmas Day and its ad free. From this forum, I've noticed many have stated they never watch commercial channels on Christmas Day.

But The Lion King should be more of a pull for older viewers than if ITV were showing another modern animation. We might find, it will split the audience. BBC1 has the family audience, while ITV has the older viewers. Perhaps this should be a future ITV stategy. While BBC1 show the modern animations, ITV should acquire the classic Disney films. I would love to see Snow White and the Seven Dwarves on Christmas Day.

But he last thing ITV should do is let it go past without promotion. They've good three great Disny animations they haven't shown before (Sleeping Beauty, 101 Damations and TLK), so it would be worth promoting these. Otherwise they won't stand a chance. I bet BBC1 are promoting their films.
They have shown Sleeping Beauty before in 1994 and 1996. I still have the 1996 showing on a tape somewhere! Not sure about 101 Dalmatians. But i agree, one thing ITV aren't good at is promoting films they're showing.

Despicable Me 2 this year before the new series of Saturday Night Takeaway, would've provided a good lead-in. but they didn't even promote it at all and it ended up with 2.85m, when it could've gotten so much more.

I hope ITV run a "Disney at Christmas on ITV" trailer or something, telling us the time and day each film is on. I'm sure viewers would go wild if they knew about it.

But it'll be really interesting to see two of Disney's biggest films going up against each other. May the best Princess or Lion win
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Old 14-12-2016, 08:51
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I also agree it's a shame the ITV Evening News won't be double headed anymore, hopefully it will return when they get a new editor, but then they'd have to justify the cost which is harder than justifying a saving. The double headed bulletin has moved from bulletin to bulletin on ITV it was at lunchtimes until they brought back News at Ten the first time round. The BBC News at Six was double headed until quite recently, maybe ten years ago.
Yes, ITN's double headed bulletins were the original News at Ten from 1967 to 1992, plus the lunchtime news was double headed from 1991 to 1999, and then again from sometime in the mid-noughties to quite recently, and the teatime news from when it began in 1999. So they've always had a double headed bulletin. It was at its most fashionable in the mid-eighties and indeed for twelve months between 1985 and 1986, all three of the main BBC bulletins were double headed.

I mean, you look at it and go, oh, two presenters is more expensive than one and you only need one, so it's an obvious cut, but telly is a creative medium. You may as well start arguing you don't need a proper set because it wouldn't make any difference if they just did it on a desk from the office, and so on. If it's a better programme when it's double headed, it should be double headed.

When is Mark's final news bulletin i wonder?
Next week. Thursday, I think.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:15
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Good to see the forum thriving again. As for Samuel, the 'Itv Ratings Crisis' thread over in Broadcasting still gives me nightmares .
Imagine if ADP and SamuelW had both been around during the last few months of TXF discussions....
God no. If you can, search for the ITV Weekly Reach Crisis thread he created. Interesting stuff...

I know people "miss" him but there is only so much ITV bashing people can take before things get really heated. I was looking in the thread archives from December 2013 and it gave me a headache reading all the arguments.
I feel like I'm treading on eggshells here so have to be careful, but I remember it - much as I feel I could have dealt with it better, the heated arguments were too much, and remained so for a year after I 'went on holiday' and even reading the thread became a nightmare. But I'll leave it there. All I'll say is, it's not the kind of atmosphere I want for this thread.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:40
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I feel like I'm treading on eggshells here so have to be careful, but I remember it - much as I feel I could have dealt with it better, the heated arguments were too much, and remained so for a year after I 'went on holiday' and even reading the thread became a nightmare. But I'll leave it there. All I'll say is, it's not the kind of atmosphere I want for this thread.
I kind of wish I was around for that but then I think it is probably best not as I'd have resorted to my old forum persona rather than the current one I've adopted. Sounds like it got very OTT, especially for a forum that is only about television.

Saw the last hour of RV last night and it seemed very singing heavy and edited down quite a bit. It really needed another Bee Gees song at the end to cap it off. I wonder how long the actual show was.

I'll go for 5.4m, EE 6.1m, Holby River City 4.2m and RP 4.3m. Oh Emmerdale 6m.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:42
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I kind of wish I was around for that but then I think it is probably best not as I'd have resorted to my old forum persona rather than the current one I've adopted. Sounds like it got very OTT, especially for a forum that is only about television.

Saw the last hour of RV last night and it seemed very singing heavy and edited down quite a bit. It really needed another Bee Gees song at the end to cap it off. I wonder how long the actual show was.

I'll go for 5.4m, EE 6.1m, Holby River City 4.2m and RP 4.3m. Oh Emmerdale 6m.
Yes, you definitely wouldn't want that.

I've managed to get some demographic information for Monday, thanks to rzt over on Gallifrey Base. In the 16-34 demo, the BBC Music Awards only had 375k viewers, a skew of 17%. The BRIT Awards normally get a skew of around 30%.

More 16-34's watched the Prince Philip documentary (430k).
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:43
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From rzt

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Emmerdale: 6.19m (32.8%)
The Royal Variety Performance: 4.62m (22.0%)
* peak: 5.84m (26.5%) at 21:00

EastEnders: 5.39m (26.8%)
Holby City: 3.85m (17.8%)
Rillington Place: 4.15m (19.8%)
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:43
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Poor rating for the Royal Variety Performance IMO. BBC One generally held up well.

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Old 14-12-2016, 09:45
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I think I have to admit that Emmerdale is firmly streets ahead of EastEnders now in the ratings.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:48
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Yes, you definitely wouldn't want that.

I've managed to get some demographic information for Monday, thanks to rzt over on Gallifrey Base. In the 16-34 demo, the BBC Music Awards only had 375k viewers, a skew of 17%. The BRIT Awards normally get a skew of around 30%.

More 16-34's watched the Prince Philip documentary (430k).
It must be all those Netflixers watching Philip in The Crown.

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Old 14-12-2016, 09:49
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The Royal Variety Performance would have been better off on Wednesday after Corrie.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:52
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I think I have to admit that Emmerdale is firmly streets ahead of EastEnders now in the ratings.
EastEnders had competition from The Royal Variety Performance. It would have been higher but still behind Emmerdale in my opinion. Can't see extra people rushing to watch it at Christmas.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:52
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From rzt

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Emmerdale: 6.19m (32.8%)
The Royal Variety Performance: 4.62m (22.0%)
* peak: 5.84m (26.5%) at 21:00

EastEnders: 5.39m (26.8%)
Holby City: 3.85m (17.8%)
Rillington Place: 4.15m (19.8%)
Eesh that's poor all around except for Emmerdale. I thought Tuesday was EE big day? Holby really is a show that ITV could beat up if it made proper effort.
RP did okay for a drama that was decapitated by IAC and as for the RV - well it got going after EE finished but it did seem a tad BBC Music Awards to me.

I forgot that Arsenal were on BT last night, that should have snagged 600k plus whatever sky sports got.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:55
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EastEnders was up against the Royal Variety.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:58
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From rzt

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Emmerdale: 6.19m (32.8%)
The Royal Variety Performance: 4.62m (22.0%)
* peak: 5.84m (26.5%) at 21:00

EastEnders: 5.39m (26.8%)
Holby City: 3.85m (17.8%)
Rillington Place: 4.15m (19.8%)

The Royal Variety is starting to (though I enjoyed it) look a bit on the weak side, much like The Brits were in 2014 when James Corden hosted it. I thought David Walliams was a good host last night, but than Jack Whitehall. But I would ask Bradley Walsh to do it next year, he knows how to entertain an audience.

The Tuesday on ITV can't have helped.
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Old 14-12-2016, 09:59
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BBC2: Top 3 (7pm-11.10pm)
MasterChef: the Professionals: 2.72m (12.6%)
Celebrity Antiques Road Trip: 1.49m (7.6%)
Muslims Like Us: 1.24m (5.9%)
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:01
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Yes, you definitely wouldn't want that.

I've managed to get some demographic information for Monday, thanks to rzt over on Gallifrey Base. In the 16-34 demo, the BBC Music Awards only had 375k viewers, a skew of 17%. The BRIT Awards normally get a skew of around 30%.

More 16-34's watched the Prince Philip documentary (430k).
Oh well that's ruined my theory that the Awards would have been more valuable to commercial TV than Philip.

So a good 70% of people who watched the BBC MA were over 35 years old. Well that is rather surpesing and lends credence to H's theory about the BBC's default audience.
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:02
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Channel 4: Top 3 (7pm-12.0) (exc. +1)
George Clarke's Amazing Spaces: World War Two Special: 0.89m (4.1%)
Channel 4 News: 0.57m (2.9%)
First Cut: I Do at 92: 0.48m (3.2%)
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:04
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Channel 5: Top 3 (7pm-11.5pm) (exc. +1)
The Yorkshire Vet: Winter on the Moors: 1.53m (7.1%)
Ben Fogle: New Lives in the Wild: 1.06m (5.0%)
The Dog Rescuers at Christmas with Alan Davies (R): 0.53m (3.5%)
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:07
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BBC4: Top 3 (7pm-12.0)
Digging for Britain: 0.59m (2.8%)
How the Wild West Was Won with Ray Mears (R): 0.43m (2.0%)
The Inca: Masters of the Clouds (R): 0.32m (2.1%)
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:12
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Excluding +1:

Hollyoaks (E4): 0.49m (2.6%)
Tattoo Fixers (E4): 0.41m (1.9%)
Dave Gorman: Modern Life Is Goodish (Dave): 0.36m (2.4%)
The Flash (Sky 1): 0.35m (1.6%)
Elementary (Sky Living): 0.17m (0.8%)
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:16
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Oh well that's ruined my theory that the Awards would have been more valuable to commercial TV than Philip.

So a good 70% of people who watched the BBC MA were over 35 years old. Well that is rather surpesing and lends credence to H's theory about the BBC's default audience.
What makes you think people over 35 aren't interested in pop music? There are 65 year olds out there who grew up with the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and The Who, 75 year olds who grew up with rock and roll.

My brother, who's in his late 40s, chose to watch the Music Awards ahead of Corrie (big soap fan).

Radio 2 were involved in the MA as much as Radio 1 and extensively play two of the award winners, Coldplay and Adele. The reason Adele's records sell in such big numbers is because her music appeals to all ages.
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Old 14-12-2016, 10:19
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What makes you think people over 35 aren't interested in pop music? There are 65 year olds out there who grew up with the Beatles, the Rolling Stones and The Who, 75 year olds who grew up with rock and roll.

My brother, who's in his late 40s, chose to watch the Music Awards ahead of Corrie (big soap fan).

Radio 2 were involved in the MA as much as Radio 1 and extensively play two of the award winners, Coldplay and Adele. The reason Adele's records sell in such big numbers is because her music appeals to all ages.
If they were showing the Radio 1 Teen Awards or something R1 related then obviously it would skew better to its demographic. The BBC Awards in its branding, style and presentation does not wholly appeal to the younger demographic.
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