The Ratings Thread (Part 68)

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cylon6

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Andy Parish:
“Oh the irony of that schedule!

This was also the year I sent my letter to Jim! Never got a reply..”

Good job you didn't get a reply!!!

Baz_James

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“
Auditions were fine, then for the lives the ratings went down. Needs to be sorted out for next year.”

And have you any suggestions as to how that might be accomplished? The simple truth is that the live shows are basically disposable. All the interest is in the few weeks that the worst singers get to strut their stuff, then seeing who gets through. After that, the grinding down to the final is just a turgid, repetitive, and predictable karaoke competition. Some people will return to see who wins on the final weekend but I don't see any way to persuade them that they should sit through the entire competition now.

There is little doubt that there will be a further decline in audience for the whole show and the live shows in particular next year and again the year after that both in actual numbers and audience share, and if more papers turn against it, treating it as laughing stock rather than event, as a result it could be become an extreme embarrassment for everyone concerned. I really don't think anyone stands to benefit from failing to take the opportunity to give it a rest for a year or two in 2017 and then re-assess the demand with a rather more refreshed talent pool.

lewiep93

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“And have you any suggestions as to how that might be accomplished? The simple truth is that the live shows are basically disposable. All the interest is in the few weeks that the worst singers get to strut their stuff, then seeing who gets through. After that, the grinding down to the final is just a turgid, repetitive, and predictable karaoke competition. Some people will return to see who wins on the final weekend but I don't see any way to persuade them that they should sit through the entire competition now.

There is little doubt that there will be a further decline in audience for the whole show and the live shows in particular next year and again the year after that both in actual numbers and audience share, and if more papers turn against it, treating it as laughing stock rather than event, as a result it could be become an extreme embarrassment for everyone concerned. I really don't think anyone stands to benefit from failing to take the opportunity to give it a rest for a year or two in 2017 and then re-assess the demand with a rather more refreshed talent pool.”

Have you?

gavin shipman

19-12-2016

That's a solid figure for The Apprentice. Really enjoyed the Series.

Hassaan13

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Have you got the series averages for similar shows like BGT and/or SCD, IAC and DoI?”

Lewie should have the SCD figures.

I'm a Celebrity
Series 16 (2016) - 10.42m (9.87m exc. +1)
Series 15 (2015) - 9.86m (9.39m exc. +1)
Series 14 (2014) - 10.25m (9.77m exc. +1)
Series 13 (2013) - 11.13m (10.65m exc. +1)
Series 12 (2012) - 10.47m (9.98m exc. +1)
Series 11 (2011) - 10.07m (9.64m exc. +1)
Series 10 (2010) - 10.34m
Series 9 (2009) - 9.37m
Series 8 (2008) - 8.78m
Series 7 (2007) - 7.34m
Series 6 (2006) - 8.01m
Series 5 (2005) - 9.42m
Series 4 (2004) - 8.66m
Series 3 (2004) - 11.02m
Series 2 (2003) - 8.55m
Series 1 (2002) - 7.58m

Britain's Got Talent
Series 1 (2007) - 8.38m
Series 2 (2008) - 10.21m
Series 3 (2009) - 13.36m
Series 4 (2010) - 11.05m
Series 5 (2011) - 10.52m (inc +1: 10.92m)
Series 6 (2012) - 10.18m (inc +1: 10.64m)
Series 7 (2013) - 9.86m (inc +1: 10.42m)
Series 8 (2014) - 9.25m (inc +1: 9.82m)
Series 9 (2015) - 9.31m (inc +1: 9.92m)
Series 10 (2016) - 9.02m (inc +1: 9.44m)

lewiep93

19-12-2016

Strictly's averages (up to semi final)

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Strictly consolidated averages since 2004
Series 14 (2016) - 10.86m (10.85m inc. launch show)*
Series 13 (2015) - 10.63m (10.60m inc. launch show)
Series 12 (2014) - 10.25m (10.21m inc. launch show)
Series 11 (2013) - 10.71m (10.67m inc. launch show)
Series 10 (2012) - 10.80m (10.73m inc. launch show)
Series 9 (2011) - 10.98m (10.88m inc. launch show)
Series 8 (2010) - 11.23m (11.10m inc. launch show)
Series 7 (2009) - 9.34m
Series 6 (2008) - 9.64m (9.53m inc. launch show)
Series 5 (2007) - 9.05m (8.88m inc. launch show)
Series 4 (2006) - 8.55m
Series 3 (2005) - 8.26m
Series 2 (2004) - 8.61m
Series 1 (2004) - 6.45m

* may be 10.9-11m once the last few officials are released”

BGT 2016 average - 9.02m (9.43m inc. +1) Hassaan, do you have all of the officials for the 2015 BGT series? There's a few that I've not been able to find.

Hassaan13

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Hassaan, do you have all of the officials for the 2015 BGT series? There's a few that I've not been able to find.”

Yep - would you like them exc/inc +1 or just one or the other?

sunbeam007

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Baz_James:
“And have you any suggestions as to how that might be accomplished? The simple truth is that the live shows are basically disposable. All the interest is in the few weeks that the worst singers get to strut their stuff, then seeing who gets through. After that, the grinding down to the final is just a turgid, repetitive, and predictable karaoke competition. Some people will return to see who wins on the final weekend but I don't see any way to persuade them that they should sit through the entire competition now.

There is little doubt that there will be a further decline in audience for the whole show and the live shows in particular next year and again the year after that both in actual numbers and audience share, and if more papers turn against it, treating it as laughing stock rather than event, as a result it could be become an extreme embarrassment for everyone concerned. I really don't think anyone stands to benefit from failing to take the opportunity to give it a rest for a year or two in 2017 and then re-assess the demand with a rather more refreshed talent pool.”

All of that may be true for sure.
However they got back on track with the lightness of the show this year and laid some foundations down. I'd tweak the format to remove the mentoring element and would consider moving it to Tuesdays and Wednesdays (basically American Idol) but I know it won't happen.

ITV need to fix the 7pm hour. Considering what CTM did to DoI, their best bet might be a suitable drama for the slot. More Durrells than Beowulf. Not only is it more likely to rate than a new LE format, it may repeat and export too.

lewiep93

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Yep - would you like them exc/inc +1 or just one or the other?”

Both please.

Hassaan13

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Both please.”

Code:

Auditions 1 - 10.63m / 11.25m
Auditions 2 - 10.89m / 11.47m
Auditions 3 - 11.31m / 11.87m
Auditions 4 - 11.12m / 11.73m
Auditions 5 - 11.02m / 11.64m
Auditions 6 - 10.96m / 11.55m
Auditions 7 - 8.98m / 9.35m

Semi Final 1: 9.78m / 10.18m
SF1 Results : 7.39m / 7.74m
Semi Final 2: 8.92m / 9.34m
SF2 Results : 7.30m / 7.60m
Semi Final 3: 9.18m / 9.48m
SF3 Results : 7.76m / 8.09m
Semi Final 4: 8.90m / 9.26m 
SF4 Results : 7.87m / 8.17m
Semi Final 5: 9.18m / 9.51m
SF5 Results : 7.59m / 7.91m

Final: 12.39m / 12.75m

Presumably you have the overnights already, but here they are anyway - still scrambling around for the peaks:

Code:

Auditions 1: 9.58m (43.2%) / 10.13m (45.7%)
Auditions 2: 9.54m (44.1%) / 10.08m (46.6%)
Auditions 3: 9.95m (46.3%) / 10.46m (48.7%)
Auditions 4: 9.62m (45.0%) / 10.13m (47.4%)
Auditions 5: 9.61m (45.1%) / 10.19m (47.8%)
Auditions 6: 9.65m (47.0%) / 10.17m (49.5%)
Auditions 7: 7.41m (35.2%) / 7.71m (36.6%)

Semi Final 1: 8.56m (37.8%) / 8.93m (39.4%)
SF1 Results : 6.58m (28.6%) / 6.90m (30.0%)
Semi Final 2: 7.80m (36.8%) / 8.19m (38.6%)
SF2 Results : 6.56m (31.2%) / 6.85m (32.6%)
Semi Final 3: 8.20m (38.8%) / 8.47m (40.1%)
SF3 Results : 6.93m (31.7%) / 7.25m (33.2%) 
Semi Final 4: 7.77m (37.3%) / 8.10m (38.9%)
SF4 Results : 7.27m (34.5%) / 7.56m (35.9%)
Semi Final 5: 8.03m (39.3%) / 8.33m (40.8%)
SF5 Results : 6.78m (32.1%) / 7.10m (33.6%)

Final: 11.36m (46.6%) / 11.71m (48.0%)

SERIES AVERAGE:         8.40m (38.9%) / 8.79m (40.7%)
Auditions Average:      9.34m (43.7%) / 9.84m (46.0%)
SF Per Average:         8.07m (38.0%) / 8.40m (39.6%)
SF Res Average:         6.82m (31.6%) / 7.13m (33.1%)
All Live Shows Average: 7.80m (35.9%) / 8.12m (37.4%)

sunbeam007

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Lewie should have the SCD figures.

I'm a Celebrity
Series 16 (2016) - 10.42m (9.87m exc. +1)
Series 15 (2015) - 9.86m (9.39m exc. +1)
Series 14 (2014) - 10.25m (9.77m exc. +1)
Series 13 (2013) - 11.13m (10.65m exc. +1)
Series 12 (2012) - 10.47m (9.98m exc. +1)
Series 11 (2011) - 10.07m (9.64m exc. +1)
Series 10 (2010) - 10.34m
Series 9 (2009) - 9.37m
Series 8 (2008) - 8.78m
Series 7 (2007) - 7.34m
Series 6 (2006) - 8.01m
Series 5 (2005) - 9.42m
Series 4 (2004) - 8.66m
Series 3 (2004) - 11.02m
Series 2 (2003) - 8.55m
Series 1 (2002) - 7.58m

Britain's Got Talent
Series 1 (2007) - 8.38m
Series 2 (2008) - 10.21m
Series 3 (2009) - 13.36m
Series 4 (2010) - 11.05m
Series 5 (2011) - 10.52m (inc +1: 10.92m)
Series 6 (2012) - 10.18m (inc +1: 10.64m)
Series 7 (2013) - 9.86m (inc +1: 10.42m)
Series 8 (2014) - 9.25m (inc +1: 9.82m)
Series 9 (2015) - 9.31m (inc +1: 9.92m)
Series 10 (2016) - 9.02m (inc +1: 9.44m)”

Thanks. So, if my phone calculator is right (that was hard work!),

BGT 9.6m
IAC 9.5m
XF 9.8m.
SCD 9.6m

Baz_James

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Have you?”

No. But then I stopped watching years ago for all the reasons that I indicated and more. It's your thesis that it must survive and be fixed. Like many who used to watch but have grown tired of it I'm more than happy for the X to become ex.

Hassaan13

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“Thanks. So, if my phone calculator is right (that was hard work!),

BGT 9.6m
IAC 9.5m
XF 9.8m.”

Presumably that's a figure you've calculated across all series? If so, it's interesting to see how close they are across all series, while their series averages this year vary quite a lot.

hyperstarsponge

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by bean_of_sb:
“The Apprentice timeshifts incredibly well. It's not in the same league as the other major reality shows, but it's been going for over 10 years and the final rating less than 1m behind TXF which is supposed to be one of the leading Saturday night LE shows? ”

I didn't even mention Crap Factor which no one watches.

Hassaan13

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I didn't even mention Crap Factor which no one watches.”

It got a series average of 7.6m this year. That's not "no one".

sunbeam007

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Presumably that's a figure you've calculated across all series? If so, it's interesting to see how close they are across all series, while their series averages this year vary quite a lot.”

Would feel a lot happier about those averages if I could have converted it all in Excel and it'd have taken a minute and I'd still have the data. I feel like I'm back using a Casio calculator at school!

BGT 9.6m
IAC 9.5m
XF 9.8m.
SCD 9.6m

All very close though of course not currently close with XF way below the others now. In total viewership terms XF would be way ahead since it has had far more episodes and minutes of TV time.
The second sentence may go some way to explaining the first sentence.

sunbeam007

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“It got a series average of 7.6m this year. That's not "no one".”

7.6m series average is nobody watching.
Meanwhile EE and Emmerdale are around the 7m mark for their highs.

Shows that beat 7.6m in the consolidated week:
SCD, IAC, Corrie and PE2. Only Corrie remains on air now.

Meanwhile we say if LIS and TVUK can get 6m like MM then they'll be very happy and Dance³ will be pleased with 4m.

It's a funny old world, Saint.

bwfcol

19-12-2016

I'm guessing that BARB won't update next Monday?

cylon6

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I didn't even mention Crap Factor which no one watches.”

People still watch X Factor. Its numbers are down but are around 6/7m for live shows.

Aaron_2015

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I didn't even mention Crap Factor which no one watches.”

What an insightful and well thought out viewpoint.

Dan R

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I didn't even mention Crap Factor which no one watches.”

Geez you've been on top form today. First defending The Apprentice is "disgraceful" then this!

Cestrian18

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Strictly's averages (up to semi final)

BGT 2016 average - 9.02m (9.43m inc. +1) Hassaan, do you have all of the officials for the 2015 BGT series? There's a few that I've not been able to find.”

Looks like Stricltly will have its highest series average since 2010 and the second highest rating series overall- It's good for any show to gain year on year, but SCD endures really well (As does IAC)

All the pure talent shows seem to have suffered this year, I wonder if that'll be a continued trend into 2017- ITV will certainly be hoping it's not

Dan R

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Cestrian18:
“Looks like Stricltly will have its highest series average since 2010 and the second highest rating series overall- It's good for any show to gain year on year, but SCD endures really well (As does IAC)

All the pure talent shows seem to have suffered this year, I wonder if that'll be a continued trend into 2017- ITV will certainly be hoping it's not”

BGT hasn't "suffered", the auditions were the highest since 2012 and had its highest individual audition show since 2009. Seven years!

Dan R

19-12-2016

While we're at it, here are some pretty graphs showing the three talent shows since 2012, by stage. ITV excludes +1 for fairness. BGT is super-strong, it's not "suffering"...it's back in half-term week this May/June.

Auditions - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0DbVmrXAAE3YAd.jpg
Live shows (excluding final) - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0DbU7nXEAAlYtB.jpg
Finals - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0DbWV1XcAAL9H8.jpg

hyperstarsponge

19-12-2016

Originally Posted by Dan R:
“Geez you've been on top form today. First defending The Apprentice is "disgraceful" then this!”

The only thing The Apprentice is better then is The X Factor, Probably much cheaper too.

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