Don't bother responding then. I thought the poster's response was perfectly coherent, there's no need for your general rudeness to just about everybody.

The Jean Alexander tribute was lovely, and would have done better after Corrie.

TAlking about Corrie, another newspaper non story that isn't even a story

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/c...n-over-9487318

The Mirror have a strange definition of a "gaffe"

What's with tabloids building up stories on tweets? I can sort of see why, perhaps they feel the tweets can often tell more of the story, but still... Twitter is full of people who will complain about almost anything.

70% of all online tabloid stories are generated by 5 or 6 tweets. Even three people moaning about the brightness of street lights in Weatherfield would lead to: "Corrie viewers OUTRAGED and threaten to SWITCH OFF over blinding gaffe'.

Twitter seems to have become the representation of everybody that is watching something.

Interesting point, well made.



Interesting data, good post.

Merry Christmas.

I think it'll be close re. the tribute to Jean Alexander v Holby, which may I say the former was very moving, after Emmerdale as well.

POG Fairly tales was a really great piece of factual that felt perfect for Christmas. But it wasn't promoted, so I don't expect it do much. Is not typical ITV factual, so I wouldn't be surpised to see it under 2m.

When I started following the thread the general expectation was Coronation Street to be in the high 30s, share wise, EastEnders to be in the mid 30s and Emmerdale the low 30s. Very much like The X Factor I think it has to be expected that things have changed now and the soaps have declined, particularly the first two (as said Emmerdale is holding up very well in share though IIRC that used to bring in around 7m viewers rather than the high 5s/low 6s it does now). Very much like The X Factor, many shows have declined along side them so they're still relatively big shows on the TV landscape and for that reason they're not going anywhere in a hurry.

Over the last 5-10 years, I would say that Emmerdale has generally been getting a rating starting with a 6. Unless I'm miss remembering that would be what I would think the average was, excluding the likes of freak high ratings in January or the middle of August. In Coronation Street's case, on a Monday it would on a good day hit 40%, but would generally be more like 38%., obviously in recent years it's been falling well short of those targets.

Not on its own, but it was a key part of the general ITV Christmas trailer, which is based around Paul O Grady.

True, but its on Tuesday and most viewers don't even bother to check out what ITV have on these days anymore. I don't think even the Jean Alexander tribute will be over 3m.

I feel ITV should have trailed these as seperate programmes. As they should be for films on ITV which they seem to be doing for ITV2. What's te point in aquiring Disney films, only to not promote them. I notice Harry Potter is getting its own trail.

I find it really disappointing that after the great heights Corrie reached in 2010-2013 and the stregth it was showing, ratings in overnights 9-10m and shares of 37%+, its now been brought back down to Earth with a thump. How one producer can nearly kill it and damage it for years.

I just hope Kate Oates pull out all the stops and 2017 is a year when Corrie, and the other two soaps return to some strength, with ratings reaching 9m in overnights.

I don't think anything below 30% is particularly healthy for EastEnders, particularly given the time of year, though I recognise that it misses that mark more often than it hits it nowdays. Considering it's the BBC's only primetime soap however and not long ago was considered the channel's flagship I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation.


I don't think Emmerdale has budged much at all for the past half a decade. It's the other soaps that have declined and that has made Emmerdale more competitive with the main two (not to take any of its achievements away from it). Though I do wonder if it hadn't been for Emmerdale generally being considered the strongest soap if that would've seen a natural decline as well.

Though it must be said that the soaps seem to have declined faster than anything around them. Maybe the genre is just tired. But as H said I do wish we could go back to the days of regular 9m overnights and 40% shares, unfortunately I don't think it's very realistic.

Has any soap ever turned around a long-term decline and regained and sustained a 20% jump in ratings?

In this country I can't think of one. The likes of Dallas, Dynasty, Neighbours, H&A, Crossroads, Brookside, Grange Hill and Take the High Road(?) all failed to recover from what I can recall.

Getting people to take up the habit again is going to be hard. EE probably has the best chance of recovery simply because it won't be on so often.

What did you make of the German advert? I liked it.

The Sun praises the BBC shock horror !

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...anet-earth-ii/

It's not any old Tuesday - it's Christmas! And enough viewers found ITV last Tuesday when they were showing the Royal Variety.

Early provisionals for 14th-20th January are out on Digiguide. Not much different to the week before, except ITV's teatime offerings have changed. They're showing the Brits launch on the Saturday at 6pm and Celebrity Chase (don't know if new or repeat) on the Sunday at 5.30pm.

Also BBC1 have an extra EastEnders on the Friday at 9pm (Not Going Out shifts to 9.30pm).

The Royal Variety had its own trailer and was promoted.

BIB That's more like it. Better than a clip show the week before.

Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 14s14 seconds ago
#lasttangoinhalifax continued in slot-winning style,with 5.2m/24.9% @RedProductionCo http://overnights.tv

Solid.

Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 22s23 seconds ago
BBC1 doc with #DarceyBussell about her heroine #margotfonteyn, produced by #Matchlight, drew slot-winning 1.5m/15.2% http://www.overnights.tv

Great drama wih good surprises, well deserved.

Thought it might've dipped under 5 million with it being on two consecutive days.

Good rating. Good drama. Although I do love Last Tango, this two parter did feel like one of those BBC Christmas commissions that felt like 'I'm here because I have to be' sort of thing. It felt like the plan was originally only series, but the BBC wanted Christmas specials.

BBC1: Top 3 (7pm-11.45pm)
EastEnders: 6.22m (30.3%)
Last Tango in Halifax: 5.23m (24.9%)
Holby City: 4.33m (20.4%)

Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 14s14 seconds ago
#insidethechristmasfactory put BBC2 in 2nd place in the 9pm slot, with 2.8m/13.1% @GreggAWallace http://www.overnights.tv