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Old 27-12-2016, 23:00
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According to Wikipedia, recording of series 3 concluded in August. Do you think it might be moved back to BBC2?
I suppose it might move. They don't seem to be in a rush to schedule it.

Citizen Khan was recorded in September and October, and that's already been shown.

Still Open All Hours finished recording earlier this month, but there was a delay with some of the studio dates. Recordings were supposed to have been finished in November
I think it might have taken them by surprise just how badly SOAH held up last night. I knew Corrie would dent it but thought it could still do around 4m in that sandwich. I think it'll do better on Sunday as the sandwich will be stronger and Corrie is out of slot so some might not realise it's there.

It does feel like poor scheduling though and it's a weird fit between EastEnders and Sherlock. I'd have been tempted to hold it back a week, although the scheduling is odd then too. I can see it getting a bit lost at 8.30pm starting half an hour into Endeavour. Swapping it with Antiques Roadshow would make more sense. Unless the plan is to start Midwife at 7.30pm this year too to get the jump on ITV's 2 hour dramas, but that would surprise me as it would do more damage to the rest of the night than it would be worth.

They don't seem to have much regard for SOAH though. I suspect some within the BBC don't have much regard for it, much like with Mrs Brown's Boys, which never seems particularly carefully scheduled. It's odd really as its not like they've got an abundance of hit sitcoms
Yes, 8.30pm on Sundays seems an odd slot for Still Open All Hours, with there being no 8.30 junctions on BBC Two or ITV (I don't know whether Channel 4 or Channel 5 have any).

Didn't Life of Riley get finished off by being moved to an 8.30pm slot on Wednesdays, where no other channels had junctions?

I'm not sensing a lot of love for Mrs Brown's Boys with the way they schedule it, either. The last three new episodes haven't been in great slots (a late one on NYD 2016, a random July Saturday slot for the live episode, and another late slot on Christmas Day). The NYD 2017 slot at 10pm is the best it's had for a while.

I get the feeling the writers of both shows might be starting to run out of ideas, though.
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:13
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Memo to all journalists - ever since we adopted the Gregorian Calendar 434 years ago, the year ends on December the thirty-first not December the twenty-first.
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Not if you're Jewish, Muslim, Chinese, a taxman, or an Oscar nominee. The journalist's year runs from Christmas to Christmas so that the year reviews can be ready for broadcast this week before New Year's Day. That's just basic pragmatism. They obviously can't hold up in the hope that something happens in the last week in December to justify all the delays and getting people in for filming in a holiday week at double rates. Whatever the start and end points of the year in review in 2016 somebody's death would have had to be just missed because there was an endless stream in both periods.

SPOTY has never been held in January, by the way. The first one was held as an adjunct of Sportsview broadcast on December 30th and remains the latest date on which the ceremony was held.
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:18
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Other than that, what a lacklustre holiday few days for the ratings and quality of the TV offered. It really needs a shake up next year on all fronts if they want to recapture some big ratings.
Not at all. You need to accept that this is the new reality for 'big' ratings. The broadcasters have.
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:51
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It's a very interesting one - a surprisingly poor rating to be sure, but it does tie in with the generally underwhelming numbers the Comic / Sport Relief specials have previously done. Competition shows do tend to struggle outside the main series when there's no investment in the competitors - Strictly just about gets away with it, basically because it's still a visual treat, but Bake Off clearly less so. Not great news for C4, who seem to be banking on these add-ons outside the main series to push up the hours and get value from their contract.
The difference with Strictly is that it's a week (or sometimes even less) since the series ended, so the bandwagon is still rolling. I know it's recorded weeks ago too but it feels a bit like closure for the series, of course the cast from this year's series was in it, so it feels like part of the series. For the rest of the shows it's been too long since they were last on so it doesn't feel especially important.

Thanks for those Hassan! Home Alone never fails to deliver C4 an audience. I recall it even getting 3m on Channel 5 a few years ago, opposite Elf.

Also the premiere on ITV in 1994 had over 15 million, and that was shown in February!
I forgot the premiere was in February, on a Sunday night. I was confusing it with Big which was shown in early December 1992. The premiere of Home Alone 2 didn't do very well, mind, on ITV on Christmas Day 1997.

I think it's interesting how there was discussion that Frozen was disappointing because everyone's seen it, and a much older film on its trillionth screening was probably the most impressive rating of the day. It is worth pointing out that in the days when BBC1 was getting ten million plus all day, C4 weren't getting three million. They were lucky to get three thousand.

According to Wikipedia, recording of series 3 concluded in August. Do you think it might be moved back to BBC2? I think it was moved to BBC1 as a swap for Matt Lucas' Pompidou series which was commissioned by BBC1 but was so awful it was dumped onto BBC2. And something needed to move from BBC2 to BBC1 to balance the books for the two channels.
Hmm, maybe, but it didn't do very well on BBC2 at all, it was in the Miranda slot at 8.30 of course but did very poorly there. When they moved it to BBC1 at 10.45 the ratings shot up, it did pretty well last time in the slot, it certainly stayed consistent throughout the run. I wonder if it's been held back because his radio show was on before Christmas and they didn't want the two running at the same time.

Of course the primary reason for the review of the year programmes are to fill the back half hour on the news channel so they only have to do 30 minute bulletins
Well, indeed, the Reviews of the Year are not there as a complete record of everything that happened in a year, to be filed away alongside Wisden and Hansard. They're there to fill gaps while everyone's on holiday. I wrote the Review of the Year for my sad part-time website two weeks ago, even though I won't put it up for a few more days. The reason was the same - so I didn't have to write anything this week.

Yes, 8.30pm on Sundays seems an odd slot for Still Open All Hours, with there being no 8.30 junctions on BBC Two or ITV (I don't know whether Channel 4 or Channel 5 have any).
Well, maybe, but 7.15 on Sunday was away from the junctions on all other channels this autumn and Strictly did perfectly fine.

SPOTY has never been held in January, by the way. The first one was held as an adjunct of Sportsview broadcast on December 30th and remains the latest date on which the ceremony was held.
Indeed, and there's no point, really. I remember the awful TV Moments show that BBC1 tried to make a thing for a few years in the noughties, the Parky/Ross-fronted show that gave out awards for the best things on telly that year. The first one was in early March, but who cared about last year's telly then? It was literally yesterday's news.
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Old 27-12-2016, 23:58
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Not at all. You need to accept that this is the new reality for 'big' ratings. The broadcasters have.
And these ratings will look a whole lot better in seven days time. By 2020 overnights might be down another 10 or 20%.
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Old 28-12-2016, 00:17
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Not at all. You need to accept that this is the new reality for 'big' ratings. The broadcasters have.
I'm not sure they have, we still have big rating series that can get bums on seats. If you make an effort the people will come. The problem as I see it for Xmas TV is that it looks pretty stale- Reliant on ailing soaps, unsuitable drama and throwaway LE specials. Mrs Brown is looking old now, not helped by the fact it's only on twice a year at most. In hindsight the revival season looks a bit of a miss, imagine the four pilots stripped over this week from Boxing Day at 7.30 and I think they would have brought a big audience. The SOAH pilot did exceptionally well not that long ago. (it has a quality problem but it still rates)

It reminds me of the early 2000s when we were struggling to put decent formats out at Christmas but it's not irreparably damaged imo
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Old 28-12-2016, 00:31
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It was only in 2014 that the premiere of Skyfall on ITV Christmas Eve got 7.3m overnight, and 8m+ consolidated.

Next year ITV will have Spectre, Jurassic World amd perhps Minions.

I know those are films, but if ITV scheduled Spectre on Christmas Eve like Skyfall and Minions on Christmas Day, both could pull in some good figures.

And who's to say another one-off Wallace & Gromit or comedy revival doesn't get comissioned and pull in the ratings.

I think at Christmas most viewers just want few films, with a couple of one-off dramas/comedy.

They don't want a schedule so full (like Christmas Day is now & Boxing Day) with programmes on almost every hour.
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Old 28-12-2016, 00:44
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I think at Christmas most viewers just want few films, with a couple of one-off dramas/comedy.
Why did Frozen fail then?

I agree though, people don't just sit down for the whole day anymore.
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Old 28-12-2016, 01:05
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And who's to say another one-off Wallace & Gromit or comedy revival doesn't get comissioned and pull in the ratings.

I think at Christmas most viewers just want few films, with a couple of one-off dramas/comedy.
Wallace and Gromit is unlikely for next Christmas as Aardman and Nick Park are busy with their next film, Early Man which is taking a good chunk of time.
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Old 28-12-2016, 01:25
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The Big Spell starts on the 8/1 on sky1 at the somewhat early time of 5pm.
Nice choice of Moira Stuart as the questioner.

https://corporate.sky.com/media-cent...-the-big-spell
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Old 28-12-2016, 01:25
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Have to say Ethel and Ernest looks decidedly out of place in a plum evening slot on BBC1 tomorrow night.

Good as it may be it isn't exactly Wallace and Gromit. I suspect the Beeb moved it here thinking that a week of Potter repeats and no wednesday Corrie gave them an opportunity to expose this to the largest possible audience but I'd be amazed if it cleared 2.5m.

Given the dismal ratings story so far this Christmas, this looks like "brave" scheduling...
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Old 28-12-2016, 08:51
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Christmas Day's Maigret is the Top Pick on my Sky Q this morning. Pompeii with Michael Buerk is third.

With the trial launch of the UHD/4K BBC iPlayer last week, it's good to see the PSB's working with Sky.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:11
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Your predictions please for where BBC1 will schedule the Porridge Christmas Special next year.


And how do we think Jonathan Creek will fare in the overnights tonight. It has to be above 5m. Surely? Surely?!! I'm hoping it will be closer to 6m than 5m, perhaps just over rather than just under.

I agree with Robbie about Ernest & Ethel. Not sure it will do much in the ratings.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:16
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I agree with Robbie about Ernest & Ethel. Not sure it will do much in the ratings.
90 minutes of pencil animation seems asking a bit much of today's audiences.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:38
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From rzt:

Inc +1
Emmerdale: 6.00m (28.7%)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: 3.82m (18.2%)

EastEnders: 6.08m (28.4%)
Holby City: 4.09m (19.6%)
The Witness For The Prosecution: 4.49m (20.8%)

Ratings pretty much what you would expect, would even say they were normal for a "non-festive" Tuesday really. Harry Potter doing well, ITV have been justified in putting those films on. What's the point in showing brand new programming that will get sub 2m? Yes it may seem lazy but when an umpteenth film showing pulls in nearly 4m you can see why they do it.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:40
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Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: 3.82m (18.2%)
Come on ITV, prove the armchair experts wrong!!!
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:42
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Emmerdale: 6.00m (28.7%)
I have no idea about soap ratings really but that looks pretty strong for Emmerdale. I may be wrong.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:43
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Gordon Buchanan: Elephant Family and Me: 1.99m (9.5%)
The Marigold on Tour: 2.75m (12.7%)
Inside No. 9: 1.03m (5.7%)

ITV2 inc +1
The Lion King: 1.08m (5.1%)
Skyfall: 1.19m (6.3%)

How many people have seen Skyfall now via repeats? Repeats very well.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:43
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From rzt:

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Emmerdale: 6.00m (28.7%)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: 3.82m (18.2%)

EastEnders: 6.08m (28.4%)
Holby City: 4.09m (19.6%)
The Witness For The Prosecution: 4.49m (20.8%)

Ratings pretty much what you would expect.
Fair play to BBC1 for actually bothering...

But ITV will be well happy if they can average 3.5m+ over 2-3 hours every night this week without needing to actually put any programming on.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:47
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Surprising to see Emmerdale and EastEnders so close so soon after Christmas.

Elsewhere that's a good rating for Potter across 3 hours. Bearing in mind that it will have been dented by the half hour against EE and the late finish, it was probably above 4m in the 8-10pm period, running BBC1's dramas close (possibly even slightly ahead of Holby during that hour). It's quite astonishing really.

ITV2 did really well with their own movies too. ITV have got good value out of The Lion King this Christmas.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:48
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Harry Potter doing very well, as is Emmerdale. A little higher for EE as the main story picks up towards NYD.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:48
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Christmas University Challenge: 2.62m (12.2%)
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:50
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Surprising to see Emmerdale and EastEnders so close so soon after Christmas.

Elsewhere that's a good rating for Potter across 3 hours. Bearing in mind that it will have been dented by the half hour against EE and the late finish, it was probably above 4m in the 8-10pm period, running BBC1's dramas close (possibly even slightly ahead of Holby during that hour). It's quite astonishing really.

ITV2 did really well with their own movies too. ITV have got good value out of The Lion King this Christmas.
People were going mad on Twitter for Harry Potter, I don't really know why. I had it on as background noise whilst I was taking the tree down, rather than actually watching it.

Holby has a pretty solid audience, regardless of what's on.

ITV should try and get Aladdin for next year.
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:52
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Channel 4: Top 3 (7pm-11.35pm) (exc. +1):
Amazing Spaces Snow Special: 1.58m (7.6%)
Posh Pawn at Christmas: 0.86m (4.1%)
Gogglebox 2016 (R): 0.74m (4.9%)
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Old 28-12-2016, 09:55
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Channel 5 (exc. +1):
Film: Dirty Dancing (R) (22:35-23:00): 1.29m (8.4%)
Film: Dirty Dancing (R) (21:00-22:29): 1.18m (5.8%)
World's Strongest Man: 0.77m (3.7%)
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