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Old 30-12-2016, 11:32
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I wouldn't describe a big film premiere as "pretty easy competition" Just because it flopped in the ratings.....



Thought Life In The Snow might have done a bit better now that Planet Earth II has sharpened appetite for natural history. But, of course, PE2 had a massive lead-in through Strictly whilst LITS had a weedy lead-in for EastEnders.

EastEnders, previously the centerpiece of BBC1's schedule is starting to become a liability. Do you think the BBC are concerned at how its ratings are struggling and how close it is becoming to being the number three soap on TV permanently? But with a producer playing up the down-to-earth, ordinary storylines? Yeah, that's working.. It would be great to think there's a secret, deliberate plot to run EastEnders into the ground so that they can axe it.

Pauses to contemplate this................................. (As Captain Mainwaring sometimes said to Corporal Jones In Dad's Army "I think you're getting into the realms of fantasy there.") (And as Basil Fawlty once said when Sybil pulled him away from his internal ponderings "Back to the land of dreams".)
Hasn't the BBC got planning permission for a new EastEnders set at Elstree? I'm sure there would be people (especially on here) who would love to see the back of EastEnders but I doubt it's going anywhere.

For what it's worth, I think the storylines are stepping up a gear. As I said before, last night's episode was very powerful. New Year's looks brilliant. Sean O'Connor may have steered the programme away from sensationalism but that's no bad thing: a year ago, many of the characters were 2 dimensional and unlikeable. Now you have well drawn, sympathetic characters. It's a shame soap audiences now seem to prefer crash bang wallop rather than slow burn storylines.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:33
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I agree that the momentum is stepping up, last nights episode was good. It set up what looks to be a gripping storyline with Lee.

However, how do the viewers who have left know things are finally picking up? Anybody that switched off at the height of the bins storyline has no idea the show is on the up.

BBC One desperately needs to step up on the promotion. A trailer should have been released showing some of Lee's storyline, plus last nights cliffhanger. Things like that might just bring back some of those viewers that abandoned the show.
Yep. The EastEnders' promotion this Christmas has been virtually non-existent, just when the programme needs it most.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:35
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Saturday January 7 schedules:

BBC 1
1720 News
1740 Celebrity Mastermind
1810 Pointless Celebrities
1900 Let It Shine
2025 Casualty
2115 Taboo
2210 News

ITV:
1745 News
1800 You've Been Framed
1900 Ninja Warrior UK
2000 The Voice UK
2125 Through the Keyhole
2230 News
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:36
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ITV (inc +1)
The Amazing Spider Man 2: 2.53m (13.1%)
Emmerdale: 5.25m (24.0%)
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (21:00-23:00): 3.43m (17.9%)
ITV News: 2.68m (21.1%)
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (23:25-00:20): 2.33m (26.3%)

Thanks to rzt.
Silly scheduling from ITV. Spiderman and Harry Potter should've been switched the other way around. But i must say, that is superb that still over 2m were watching after midnight!

Lets hope the lost viewers set the rest to record and went to bed.. and the momentum continues for the Deathly Hallows..
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:40
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Saturday January 7 schedules:

BBC 1
1720 News
1740 Celebrity Mastermind
1810 Pointless Celebrities
1900 Let It Shine
2025 Casualty
2115 Taboo
2210 News

ITV:
1745 News
1800 You've Been Framed
1900 Ninja Warrior UK
2000 The Voice UK
2125 Through the Keyhole
2230 News
So they're gonna let The Voice stink out the 8pm slot. It's a long show too - shame. I wonder, if the show sees yet another YOY drop, whether ITV will shorten the shows/shift them about slightly.

Ninja Warrior at 7pm, proven to work there before, great stuff.

Let It Shine is LONG too! But it gets a very good headstart on the Voice. It won't be a surprise to see young and old demos diverging in the 7pm slot - but I shall be watching LIS.
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:41
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I wouldn't describe a big film premiere as "pretty easy competition" Just because it flopped in the ratings.....



Thought Life In The Snow might have done a bit better now that Planet Earth II has sharpened appetite for natural history. But, of course, PE2 had a massive lead-in through Strictly whilst LITS had a weedy lead-in for EastEnders.

EastEnders, previously the centerpiece of BBC1's schedule is starting to become a liability. Do you think the BBC are concerned at how its ratings are struggling and how close it is becoming to being the number three soap on TV permanently? But with a producer playing up the down-to-earth, ordinary storylines? Yeah, that's working.. It would be great to think there's a secret, deliberate plot to run EastEnders into the ground so that they can axe it.

Pauses to contemplate this................................. (As Captain Mainwaring sometimes said to Corporal Jones In Dad's Army "I think you're getting into the realms of fantasy there.") (And as Basil Fawlty once said when Sybil pulled him away from his internal ponderings "Back to the land of dreams".)
Now I was wondering if it was following the Brookside trajectory but why have they invested in a new set? Or has that been scrapped now?
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:43
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I think Enders will top 6m on New Years Day but definitely way behind last year.

They really should have built the stories up earlier - Max should have been back at the beginning of December with his revenge on Xmas Day rather than a month of Shakil, Bex and that bloody play! I love the show (out of loyalty and hope these days) but December simply wasn't strong enough to generate any interest or excitement.

Ronnies departure is a missed opportunity too - could have had Fatboy being found out, Whites revenge loads of better storylines.

Hopefully the bosses at the Beeb are looking at ways it can strengthen again in 2017
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Old 30-12-2016, 11:46
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So they're gonna let The Voice stink out the 8pm slot. It's a long show too - shame. I wonder, if the show sees yet another YOY drop, whether ITV will shorten the shows/shift them about slightly.

Ninja Warrior at 7pm, proven to work there before, great stuff.

Let It Shine is LONG too! But it gets a very good headstart on the Voice. It won't be a surprise to see young and old demos diverging in the 7pm slot - but I shall be watching LIS.
Can't help but think The Voice would be better on Sunday's from 7.30pm-9pm with the Dance programme on Saturday. With the tone of each show it just feels like they're on the wrong night.
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:20
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So they're gonna let The Voice stink out the 8pm slot. It's a long show too - shame. I wonder, if the show sees yet another YOY drop, whether ITV will shorten the shows/shift them about slightly.

Ninja Warrior at 7pm, proven to work there before, great stuff.

Let It Shine is LONG too! But it gets a very good headstart on the Voice. It won't be a surprise to see young and old demos diverging in the 7pm slot - but I shall be watching LIS.
85 minutes with adverts is long? Really?
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:26
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85 minutes with adverts is long? Really?
For a show which will be lucky to scrape mid 7s in January Saturday primetime, yes. Should've put the Dance show on Sat at 7pm, Ninja Warrior at some point between 8-8.20.
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:40
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2.84m (14.8%) for To Walk Invisible.
Disappointing. I really enjoyed it. I think it's down to the scheduling more than anything. Bleaking viewing for the christmas period. Hopefully they'll repeat it to better numbers in the new year.
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:43
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If The Voice can reach 6m, I think it can be considered a success. It's had lots of promotion, the older audience are pleased to see Tom Jones back and there seems to be a positive feeling around it.

After seeing some disappoint with their entertainment offerings, ITV's hopes lie firmly with the The Voice.
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:45
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That wouldn't stop them, programmes with 12 ratings are broadcast pre watershed all the time; seven out of the twelve episodes of series 9 of Doctor Who are 12.
They're not 12, they're 12A, which is borderline for channels without PIN protection available. ITV clearly decided that discretion was the better part of valour in this case. They have not previously shown any of the last three films pre-watershed.
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:47
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Saturday January 7 schedules:

ITV:
1745 News
1800 You've Been Framed
1900 Ninja Warrior UK
2000 The Voice UK
2125 Through the Keyhole
2230 News
An hour of YBF!? Again, they leading into their primetime lineup on the backfoot.

I can see NW dropping against Barlow and Friends. The Voice should launch well, especially with the return of Tom Jones. Who's presenting it?

Fruit Keyhole should do well with a decent lead in. Apart from YBF, a strong lineup from ITV.

Just shows how an extra show can strengthen the whole night (even if it's only on the face of it).
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:47
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If The Voice can reach 6m, I think it can be considered a success.
I never knew things had gotten that bad for it
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:50
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The audience on the look-out for something to watch at 9pm when the two main channels fall short.

The BBC don't help EastEnders by continuing scheduling University Challenge against it on BBC2, UC always eats up a substantial chunk of the viewers. I suppose BBC1 should be relieved that EE managed to out-rate an out-of slot Emmerdale.
You think that University Challenge's audience would be watching Eastenders if it wasn't otherwise occupied? Ooookay!
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:52
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They're not 12, they're 12A, which is borderline for channels without PIN protection available. ITV clearly decided that discretion was the better part of valour in this case. They have not previously shown any of the last three films pre-watershed.
They've aired them all at 7pm before now, most recently last Summer. There's no reason for them to be post-watershed. I can see why they've done it on New Year's Eve as lots of kids will still be up, but it was poor scheduling last night.
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:57
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I agree. It is now down to its core audience like Doctor Who of circa 5-5.5 million and timeshifting an additional 1m

I think for NYD it will be in the 6m bracket
EE seems to have a core overnight audience of ~5.3m with around 7m total viewers. This core is being nibbled away and might be more like 5m and 6.5m in 12 months time.

It seems only a matter of time before we start seeing some overnights beginning with the number 4.
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Old 30-12-2016, 12:59
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They're not 12, they're 12A, which is borderline for channels without PIN protection available. ITV clearly decided that discretion was the better part of valour in this case. They have not previously shown any of the last three films pre-watershed.
12a is a cinema only rating. I doubt there would be upheld complaints at ofcom if ITV broadcast the last 5 Potters pre watershed, given how familiar the material is, regardless it's a decision for them of course.

Hell episode 1 of Jekyll and Hyde was far tougher than Potter. (Though ofcom did haul them over the coals for that).
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:03
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I never knew things had gotten that bad for it
It would be higher than what ITV's other light entertainment singing show was getting, so yes I'd say 6m would be a good starting figure.
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:06
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Hell episode 1 of Jekyll and Hyde was far tougher than Potter. (Though ofcom did haul them over the coals for that).
Exactly. Once bitten, twice shy!
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:07
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12a is a cinema only rating. I doubt there would be upheld complaints at ofcom if ITV broadcast the last 5 Potters pre watershed, given how familiar the material is, regardless it's a decision for them of course.

Hell episode 1 of Jekyll and Hyde was far tougher than Potter. (Though ofcom did haul them over the coals for that).
It wouldn't be a problem at all. As I said, they've shown them all pre-watershed before. There's nothing in Half Blood Prince at all that requires a post-watersheds slot, it just ended up there because of incompetence. Goblet and Order both have tougher scenes and they went out at 7.30pm.

I still think the J&H fuss was blown out of proportion as well. 6.30pm was maybe a touch early but it certainly wasn't post-watershed stuff.
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:10
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It would be higher than what ITV's other light entertainment singing show was getting, so yes I'd say 6m would be a good starting figure.
Since when did XF launch with 6 million?

X Factor 2016 overnight ratings:
Saturday 27th August: 6.80m (800,000 higher than your 6m number)
Sunday 28th August: 6.26m (almost level YOY)
Saturday 3rd September: 8.28m (up YOY)
Sunday 4th September: 7.64m (up YOY)
Saturday 10th September: 7.44m
Sunday 11th September: 7.20m (almost level YOY)
Saturday 17th September: 7.70m (up YOY)
etc. etc.

Launching with 6 million would put The Voice down a million from even this year's numbers, and you'd call it a success. Bit odd.
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:11
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Saturday January 7 schedules:

BBC 1
1720 News
1740 Celebrity Mastermind
1810 Pointless Celebrities
1900 Let It Shine
2025 Casualty
2115 Taboo
2210 News

ITV:
1745 News
1800 You've Been Framed
1900 Ninja Warrior UK
2000 The Voice UK
2125 Through the Keyhole
2230 News
I hope the samaritans have extra staff on the phone that night- that schedule would drive anyone to suicide !
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Old 30-12-2016, 13:13
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So they're gonna let The Voice stink out the 8pm slot. It's a long show too - shame. I wonder, if the show sees yet another YOY drop, whether ITV will shorten the shows/shift them about slightly.

Ninja Warrior at 7pm, proven to work there before, great stuff.

Let It Shine is LONG too! But it gets a very good headstart on the Voice. It won't be a surprise to see young and old demos diverging in the 7pm slot - but I shall be watching LIS.
The Voice is only 60 minutes once you strip out the adverts. It's got a good lead-in from Ninja but Ninja will be up against it thanks to YBF. They've apparently got Celebrity Chase episodes stored up so I'm surprised they are not using them v Pointless.

The trailer for LIS is awful and has even managed to annoy 1D fans by suggesting that 1D did dance routines. That idea is very Louis Walsh and your mate Simon would call it 'dated', which it is.
I'm confident LiS will start off very well but by week 4 it may be bleeding viewers.

Taboo hopefully will do better than Dracula did. Being on FX rather than NBC should help a lot.

Keyhole is over an hour long then... I give it a chance thanks to The Voice and Casualty.
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