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The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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H of De Vil
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Score:
“From rzt:

Captain America 2: 2.82m (14.1%)

Emmerdale: 5.94m (30.3%)
Corrie: 6.87m (33.1%)
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1: 3.60m (17.8%)

Inc +1 for ITV.

Solid night for ITV. The soaps look decent and Harry Potter got another solid rating. Captain America 2 flopped on its premiere. I've noticed a lot of these superhero movies don't tend to do too well in the ratings. The only ones that have are Avengers Assemble (5.3m) and, to a lesser extent, Iron Man 3 (4.2m).”


The figures for Emmerdale and Corrie look lowish, but compared with EE they look better.

Harry Potter consitent. I did think it would be over 4m, but perhaps the film on BBC1 took a few away. Which premiered to a poor rating.

Despite looking like having the best film selection early on, BBC1 has struggled with its premieres.

There we all were a year ago today making predictions that Frozen would bring in blockbuster ratins for BBC1, and yet it didn't even manage 5m, dented by ITV's showing of The Lion King.

Disney classics is definately to the way to go for ITV in future.
Aaron_2015
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“The figures for Emmerdale and Corrie look lowish, but compared with EE they look better.

Harry Potter consitent. I did think it would be over 4m, but perhaps the film on BBC1 took a few away. Which premiered to a poor rating.

Despite looking like having the best film selection early on, BBC1 has struggled with its premieres.

There we all were a year ago today making predictions that Frozen would bring in blockbuster ratins for BBC1, and yet it didn't even manage 5m, dented by ITV's showing of The Lion King.

Disney classics is definately to the way to go for ITV in future.”

Frozen suffered from being a year too late and over expectations of how it would do.
stv viewer
31-12-2016
Sshould the awards not have their own thread
A.D.P
31-12-2016
There has been a lot of over reactions to the Christmas ratings on this thread, and something that seems to have been forgotten completely over the last two weeks is overnights are no longer the be all and end all, and especially over this holiday period.
We have to wait to see;-

Consolidated ratings.
IPlayer figures.

The hilarious over reaction to EE to call of its set redevelopment, is unbelievable and clearly from one or two who cannot understand viewing habits. EE is regularly top of the IPlayer charts, many have it on series link.

Last night was end of month pay day for the majority of people, and end of the working year for many. Those with a life would have been out drinking or celebrating last night with work colleagues for the last time in 2016, or with friends and family having meals etc. We know Friday's are often low in viewers due to People going out on Friday night, people arrange their TV viewing around their lives and not broadcast schedules.

I know many who have recorded programmes, I have about twenty shows on TiVo still to watch.

So to cancel redevelopment of EE due to overnight ratings on a Friday is laughable.

People here who post every day would have noticed that forum posts dramatically reduced on Christmas Day for an example, this is the same as overnight Christmas TV. Not everyone sits on the internet or in front of a TV all day to a schedule, the majority have family and friends, go visiting, have visitors and celebrate. Few stay in just watching TV 24/7 or posting here all day every day. So catch up and consolidated ratings are more important.

A lot now is driven by social media and praise for shows that some didn't consider in the first place. Ethel and Ernest had excellent reviews but some as it's animated wouldn't have even considered it in the first place, Jonathan Creek was well received, Call the Midwife was heavy for Christmas Day but well received, and last nights Eastenders with brilliant acting on the dangers of bullying, at work, and on a person suffering from an illness of the mind, was praised, and many will catch up today, when they were out last night.

Soaps are not like shiny LE weekend live shows, they can be watched at anytime, and many box set episodes to catch up. The NYD EE is bookmarked as a big event or double event.

People's habits and entertainment choices have changed over the years, overnight ratings are only an indication of total viewing and the knee jerk armchair decisions here to make fundamental changes on policy based on the tip of the iceberg information shows the lack of knowledge of a few posters.
Aaron_2015
31-12-2016
It's always funny when different excuses are used for different programs. When X Factor was doing poorly, people said it was "dire" and it ought to be axed. When EastEnders does poorly, we are reminded (by the same people) that audience habits have changed and we should wait for the consolidated figures.
H of De Vil
31-12-2016
Well yes that is very true ADP, overnight rating do not show the true picture. But most of what I get from your post is anger at how people on here are commenting on the BBC underwhelming ratings. As you say 'people with a life' and 'lack of knowledge from a few posters' suggets its not gone quite how you wanted it too.

EE has been top of Iplayer every episode, every year. But the actual catch up figures posted by dave01 show the EE Iplayer figures actually level or decreasing just like the overnights.

The BBC had no problem rating better last year when ITV was weaker. It just so happens, ITV have put in a bit more effort and its taken some viewers away from BBC1.

You talk about 'Knee-jerk arm chair reactions', but you were so adamant TXF should be cancelled because its permorming poorly. So surely being that like EE, its skews young, its audience are watching by other means.

I don't doubt the BBC1 NYD ratings will be strong, while ITV falter. Thus the Iplayer figures won't matter too much then.
I would say the 'over-reactions' as you put it are justified in some cases. Only a week before Christmas you were hailing the BBC as strong. And it was. But in actual fact, its not really turned out that way.
RickLopez
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“There has been a lot of over reactions to the Christmas ratings on this thread, and something that seems to have been forgotten completely over the last two weeks is overnights are no longer the be all and end all, and especially over this holiday period.
We have to wait to see;-

Consolidated ratings.
IPlayer figures.”

I'd take you seriously if you used the same argument for shows you don't like, such as X Factor.

But you don't.
H of De Vil
31-12-2016
As we are heading into a New Year, I'd just like to thank all those who have provided ratings, stats and info on this thread this year, and hope 2017 doesn't limit our ratings access any further.

Happy New Year
lewiep93
31-12-2016
My "awards"

Spoiler
Hit of the year
Planet Earth II - no contest, stunning ratings both in overnights and officials and a real watercooler moment.
Strictly Come Dancing - another excellent year ratings wise, to have its highest rated series in 4 years is impressive.
The Durrells - a fabulous Sunday night drama that did really well and I hope it does well next year.
Victoria - a credible, and successful, alternative to Poldark. Not a Downton sized hit but still a hit and had a captive audience as well as beating Poldark head to head several times.
The Night Manager - Tom Hiddleston, enough said
Happy Valley - I adore everything about that show, can’t wait for series 3.
Olympics 2016 - obviously not an episodic programme like the other shows but we saw some wonderful moments and some sizeable peaks, also BBC 2 and BBC 4 had some fantastic ratings in that fortnight.

Flop of the year
Humans - this really has flopped and as someone said a few weeks ago, maybe the story was told in the first series?
Dickensian - oh god this was a stinker. Ambitious yes but really stunk out the schedules and it was clear that the BBC didn’t have high regard for it as it was shown on random days.
Jericho/Beowulf - two completely forgettable shows, just rubbish really.
Top Gear (FACT) - oh to see Chris Evans’ near meltdown on Twitter over it was hilarious.
Meet the Parents, a stinker regardless of any demographics. Getting sub 2 million is appalling.

New hit of the year (reasons above)
Planet Earth II
The Durrells
The Night Manager
Victoria

Jaw-dropping rating of the year
Planet Earth II getting 13m consolidated, as well as 9m+ overnights week after week and beating X Factor. Not long ago, that would have been an unthinkable prospect.
“Super Sunday” (13 November) with 3 shows getting averages of 10m+, doesn’t happen very often.
Also that February edition of Countryfile getting well over 8m, I think for a little while it was the most watched show of the year based on overnights. Quite something.
Just sneaking in here, the Christmas Day showing of Frozen. I know several said people may be bored with it (and also The Lion King doing fairly well on t’other side hindered it) but I was sure it would win the day. And The Lion King wasn’t demolished either.

Mystifying rating of the year
Attenborough and the Giant Dinosaur, I was amazed at that one rating well despite it being on a cold January Sunday night where (obviously) more viewers are around.
Still Open All Hours getting 6-7m in January. Again, like with Giant Dinosaur, more viewers are around but for something that is pants and in my eyes devoid of any humour it mystifies me that it does well. Not a patch on the original, doesn’t tarnish it’s legacy for me though thankfully.

So glad that flopped
Meet the Parents, sounded dire and rated dire. Sub 2m is pitiful.
Jericho/Beowulf, these sort of dramas just don’t work.
Top Gear - I don’t get this programme at all but for all of the hype it bombed.

Channel of the year
BBC 1. Some excellent hits, the Olympics was fabulous, Bake Off doing incredibly well and going out on a high (a high we won’t see for a long time), Planet Earth II being a talking point, Strictly having its best year in 4 years. However, they aren’t perfect, like any other broadcaster. There are still some odd scheduling decisions like the sitcom season in the the final stages of Summer and that live Mrs Brown which I feel would’ve benefitted being in the Autumn but that is a minor quibble really.

Worst channel of the year
Channel 4. Bake Off saga, shows flopping (Indian Summers, Humans). ITV had this honour from me last year but things have improved (Durrells, Victoria, better scheduling decisions and interesting commissions although axing Brief Encounters and Home Fires is crazy). With Channel 4 they really need to be extremely careful in not alienating the viewer and to really avoid not overexposing their talent (such as Alan Carr).


Just want to give an honourable mention to the Bake Off. That Monday night was a night like no other; the announcement, the debate as to who would get it, the outrage that Love Productions clearly wanted more money, and then Channel 4 snapping it up. It was the speed in which the events moved that was remarkable. Is part of TV history really and chapters could be written about its rise and (very possible) fall.

Happy New Year, and if I could wish for one thing on here is for everyone to just get on and not resort to any nastiness. I've been nasty in the past and regret it (this will go out of the window in a few day’s time).
derek500
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
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Consolidated ratings.
IPlayer figures.
”

Don't forget iPlayer via a TV is included in the regular BARB figures.

Incidentally, the highest iPlayer ratings on a stand-alone device for EE were 270k plus 27k live. (w/e 11/12)

So around 5%.
Neil_N
31-12-2016
Problem is, EE is low because the BBC don't promote it enough and I think the axing of BBC3 has hurt it viewers wise as well. It does seem being top soap for them is a bit too far gone, but more episodes and hard-hitting stuff like last night, they'll top the scoreboard.

CS - loyal viewers, promoted and has the advantage of +1. You could have 30 mins of Gail cooking the dinner, Eva with a rampant rabbit or Ken reading a passage from a newspaper - it'd score well.

I will say thank you to everyone who has supplied ratings and information.
Dan R
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Happy New Year, and if I could wish for one thing on here is for everyone to just get on and not resort to any nastiness.”

Yes, I agree. Let's keep the thread positive and get rid of the agenda-driven posters - let's have less of the "this show was dire tonight" or "what an awful rating" comments where any surrounding context is omitted. The Ratings Thread New Year's resolution 2017 should be to turn this place into an area of positive, constructive ratings discussion.
ArtyAttack
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Aaron_2015:
“It's always funny when different excuses are used for different programs. When X Factor was doing poorly, people said it was "dire" and it ought to be axed. When EastEnders does poorly, we are reminded (by the same people) that audience habits have changed and we should wait for the consolidated figures.”

Definitely but it seems we obviously are unable to understand how ratings work these days - for one channel of course.
Aaron_2015
31-12-2016
Hit of the year: Strictly Come Dancing - Consistent high ratings, up year on year, got the nation talking.

Flop of the year: X Factor - Had several big changes after last year's disaster, but still did not perform. The heights it has fallen from is pretty unprecedented.

New hit of the year: Victoria/The Durrells - Had strong competition from Poldark, and surprisingly won the battle. Also set to be big in the states. The Durrells was quality, family drama that did really well.

Jaw-dropping rating of the year: Planet Earth II - Didn't realise the sheer anticipation and desire for this program.

Mystifying rating of the year: BBC Breakfast - Despite terrible presentation and crap production values, Breakfast remains absolutely stellar in the ratings.

So glad that flopped: Top Gear - Chris Evans should have left well alone, yet his ego led him to believe he would save a vulnerable brand.

Such a shame that flopped: Humans - Had a pretty good plot, but suffered a lot from being up against I'm A Celeb.

Channel of the year: BBC One for its wide variety of excellent programming. Kudos to ITV however, who are in a much better position then last year and are much improved.

Worst channel of the year: BBC Three - The move online has rendered this once excellent channel irrelevant. Even the one or two new programs they've produced sadly get buried in dead slots. Kudos to Channel 4 also for the Bake Off saga.
Baz_James
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“EE is low because the BBC don't promote it enough”

Really? What would constitute enough then? Watching very little scheduled TV, I nevertheless caught at least half a dozen Eastenders trailers. What would satisfy you. A mention every programme break? Like any other ad, people soon get sick of attempts to make them 'buy' something they have no interest in. The reason Eastenders figures are low is that not very many people want to watch it any more. It's not because they don't know it's there!
Hassaan13
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“Problem is, EE is low because the BBC don't promote it enough and I think the axing of BBC3 has hurt it viewers wise as well. It does seem being top soap for them is a bit too far gone, but more episodes and hard-hitting stuff like last night, they'll top the scoreboard.

CS - loyal viewers, promoted and has the advantage of +1. You could have 30 mins of Gail cooking the dinner, Eva with a rampant rabbit or Ken reading a passage from a newspaper - it'd score well.

I will say thank you to everyone who has supplied ratings and information.”

BIB: Promotion does help but I don't see what benefit promotion for EastEnders will do at this stage in its lifespan. People aren't interested and it'd take something huge (New Year boost aside) to get those viewers back.
D.M.N.
31-12-2016
End of year thoughts...

- 2010 and 2011 - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2060
- 2012 - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2464
- 2013 - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=2258
- 2014 - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...ostcount=16804
- 2015 - http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=9723

Hit of the Year
- Unless it surprises on Channel 4, I have to say The Great British Bake Off again here. I didn't think an entertainment show would ever surpass 15 million viewers, but we were proven wrong.
- the likes of Happy Valley and The Night Manager also deserve a mention here
- previous winners: The Inbetweeners / Downton Abbey / Olympics 2012 / The Great British Bake Off / Doctor Foster

Flop of the Year
- no contest here: Beowulf: Return of the Shieldlands. To think that the show cost ITV in the region of £20 million is absolutely bonkers. An expensive waste of money.
- The relaunched Top Gear also worth mentioning in here, but Beowulf is the bigger failure in my eyes
- also England's Euro 2016 campaign
- previous winners: The Prisoner / ITV1's Summer / various ITV shows / Vicious+Job Lot / Commonwealth Games / Jekyll and Hyde

New hit of the year
- Definitely Planet Earth II, amazing figures really
- previous winners: Downton Abbey / Scott & Bailey / Call the Midwife / Broadchurch / The Missing / Black Work

Jaw-dropping rating of the year
- I forgot how well this launched back in February: The X-Files on Channel 5, to consolidate with over 5 million viewers was a very impressive feat
- I'm also really pleased that The Crystal Maze Special did really well (surprised nothing has followed up on that front, though)
- Referendum 2016 brought in some jaw dropping numbers for BBC One, I'm sure there's others worth mentioning
- previous winners: EastEnders Live: Aftermath / Big Fat Gypsy Weddings / Olympics 2012: Opening Ceremony / I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! / The Great British Bake Off / The X Factor

Mystifying rating of the year
- the continued strong performance of the entertainment shows. Strictly, I'm a Celebrity and Britain's Got Talent have been around for a decade (BGT turns 10 in 2017). But none show signs of slowing down. They've all had wobbles, but nothing major
- previous winners: My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding / Olympics 2012: Closing Ceremony / I'm a Celebrity... Get Me Out of Here! / Gogglebox x2

"So glad that flopped" of the year
- Channel 4's sex shows again. Just... why?
- previous winners: Torchwood: Miracle Day / Young Apprentice / Channel 4 and sex / Waterloo Road

"Such a shame that flopped" of the year
- honourable mention to Channel 4's Formula 1 coverage, which rated lower than I would have liked, but we'll see what 2017 brings

Happy New Year!
sunbeam007
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Straker:
“Captain America - Appalling for such a quality piece of work, one of the best superhero movies made to date.”

The Captain America films, rather like the Thor films, haven't been monster hits. Doctor Strange is another in that $650m range and AntMan fell below that. Only IronMan and the team-up films have blown the doors off.

They have probably been seen by anyone who wishes to see them, more than once quite possibly. The film did as well as Spidey2 - yeah it was primetime but it was up v Harry so the audience was split.
For all of the success of Britain's own Harry Potter, that's only pulling in 3.5m viewers, it's not like it's touching 5m.

SW TFA should clear 5m, as will Spectre. I'm not convinced they'll pass 6m though.

ps - Nice of sky Store to give me £14 as a Xmas gift to download any of their films or TV titles. Frustratingly I can't use it for Rogue One pre order so I'm struggling to pick one.
Dan R
31-12-2016
Hit of the Year: Britain's Got Talent. Wow! This year saw timeshifts skyrocket to over 2m per auditions episode, the auditions average of 11.49m was the highest since 2012 and third-highest ever overall. The episode 2 rating of 12.46m was the highest-rated auditions show since 2009 - seven years! Wow. [Honourable mentions: Planet Earth 2 - who saw that coming?!? Well deserved!]

Flop of the year: The Voice UK. Ouch! Down 1.99 million YOY. The show fell into the 4s during the live shows and the final only managed a pitiful 4.5m - half of what BGT managed despite it being able to inherit its audience towards the end.

New hit of the year: Victoria. Who would've thought it'd beat Poldark?!?

Jaw-dropping rating of the year: Britain's Got Talent's timeshifts - from 9m to 11.6m, 10.3m to 12.5m, 9.3m to 11.9m, 7.8m to 10.4m and so on. Also Planet Earth 2's second episode - way over 10m!! Saturday Night Takeaway being up into the 7s in the early episodes. It felt rejuvenated this year.

Mistifying rating of the year: Tied between Bake Off and I'm A Celeb. Bake Off has a nice tone but 16m? Really?? And I'm A Celeb is just dull and out of date, but the first episode was fun I'll admit.

So glad that flopped: The Voice UK, Top Gear and Gogglebox - I know the latter didn't really flop but it took a hefty YOY decline. It was so much fun back in late 2013/early 2014 but it's contrived and boring rubbish now. Also, Bang on the Money - why they put that cheap dud in such a slot baffles me.

Such a shame that flopped: Humans. I didn't even watch this year but I have a soft spot after enjoying it so much last year.

Channel of the year: None of the terrestrials - Netflix. For their amazing range of new TV shows (such as Stranger Things) and movies. For continuing to add stunning shows such as Scream for a UK audience to see.

Worst channel of the year: ITV for their atrocious scheduling of their big shows. Lead-ins, outs, and extenuating circumstances (clashes, bank holidays etc.) matter, ITV!
sunbeam007
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“There has been a lot of over reactions to the Christmas ratings on this thread, and something that seems to have been forgotten completely over the last two weeks is overnights are no longer the be all and end all, and especially over this holiday period.
We have to wait to see;-

Consolidated ratings.
IPlayer figures.

The hilarious over reaction to EE to call of its set redevelopment, is unbelievable and clearly from one or two who cannot understand viewing habits. EE is regularly top of the IPlayer charts, many have it on series link.

Last night was end of month pay day for the majority of people, and end of the working year for many. Those with a life would have been out drinking or celebrating last night with work colleagues for the last time in 2016, or with friends and family having meals etc. We know Friday's are often low in viewers due to People going out on Friday night, people arrange their TV viewing around their lives and not broadcast schedules.

I know many who have recorded programmes, I have about twenty shows on TiVo still to watch.

So to cancel redevelopment of EE due to overnight ratings on a Friday is laughable.

People here who post every day would have noticed that forum posts dramatically reduced on Christmas Day for an example, this is the same as overnight Christmas TV. Not everyone sits on the internet or in front of a TV all day to a schedule, the majority have family and friends, go visiting, have visitors and celebrate. Few stay in just watching TV 24/7 or posting here all day every day. So catch up and consolidated ratings are more important.

A lot now is driven by social media and praise for shows that some didn't consider in the first place. Ethel and Ernest had excellent reviews but some as it's animated wouldn't have even considered it in the first place, Jonathan Creek was well received, Call the Midwife was heavy for Christmas Day but well received, and last nights Eastenders with brilliant acting on the dangers of bullying, at work, and on a person suffering from an illness of the mind, was praised, and many will catch up today, when they were out last night.

Soaps are not like shiny LE weekend live shows, they can be watched at anytime, and many box set episodes to catch up. The NYD EE is bookmarked as a big event or double event.

People's habits and entertainment choices have changed over the years, overnight ratings are only an indication of total viewing and the knee jerk armchair decisions here to make fundamental changes on policy based on the tip of the iceberg information shows the lack of knowledge of a few posters.”

Pretty much what we said about XF but you mocked that. So now it's ok for people to use the going out argument but it was funny when it was payday or bonfire excuses for XF. Nice try there covering this retort by saying shiny floor shows are different to other shows, they aren't - they still get 1-2m catching up on them. They also skew a lot younger than soaps and are on going out nights.

Oh and last night was not a big going out night, it was actually a really bad one for a Friday because tonight is the night most people will be out.

EE is on the same trajectory as XF - former beasts who can't stop losing viewers even when they put on better shows. Maybe they'll both eventually get the benefit for improving shows, maybe both will be gone by 2020. Both EE and XF have their fans but they are also despised by many, many people.

I agree with you that the BBC will see good jumps next week from timeshift, I've said it here in recent days. But then BBC fans were happy to mock Blankety Blank and Maigret on here which was, as you rightly say, an hilarious overreaction.
iaindb
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Well yes that is very true ADP, overnight rating do not show the true picture. But most of what I get from your post is anger at how people on here are commenting on the BBC underwhelming ratings. As you say 'people with a life' and 'lack of knowledge from a few posters' suggets its not gone quite how you wanted it too.

EE has been top of Iplayer every episode, every year. But the actual catch up figures posted by dave01 show the EE Iplayer figures actually level or decreasing just like the overnights.

The BBC had no problem rating better last year when ITV was weaker. It just so happens, ITV have put in a bit more effort and its taken some viewers away from BBC1.

You talk about 'Knee-jerk arm chair reactions', but you were so adamant TXF should be cancelled because its permorming poorly. So surely being that like EE, its skews young, its audience are watching by other means.

I don't doubt the BBC1 NYD ratings will be strong, while ITV falter. Thus the Iplayer figures won't matter too much then.
I would say the 'over-reactions' as you put it are justified in some cases. Only a week before Christmas you were hailing the BBC as strong. And it was. But in actual fact, its not really turned out that way.”

BIB - they really haven't. They've just got lucky that Potter has this core audience who keep on watching no matter how many times they've seen them - like me with the Carry On films

Potter's ratings look okay compared with what ITV were getting last Christmas and compared with some of BBC1's under-performing offerings and for a film series that's been shown so often by ITV, but 4m or less for primetime ITV is still a bit meh.
iaindb
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by sunbeam007:
“The Captain America films, rather like the Thor films, haven't been monster hits. Doctor Strange is another in that $650m range and AntMan fell below that. Only IronMan and the team-up films have blown the doors off.

They have probably been seen by anyone who wishes to see them, more than once quite possibly. The film did as well as Spidey2 - yeah it was primetime but it was up v Harry so the audience was split. ”

I'd like to nominate Captain America for the "So Glad That Flopped" category in the ratings thread awards.

None of these Marvel films look mainstream. They all look very niche. So I don't know why the BBC stick them on in primetime BBC1. Maybe last night's ratings will persuade the BBC to stick future films on BBC2 where they would be a better fit.
Fudd
31-12-2016
Does anyone have the figure for Noel’s Sell or Swap Live (Fri 19.00 Channel 4) excluding +1, please?
Cestrian18
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I'd like to nominate Captain America for the "So Glad That Flopped" category in the ratings thread awards.

None of these Marvel films look mainstream. They all look very niche. So I don't know why the BBC stick them on in primetime BBC1. Maybe last night's ratings will persuade the BBC to stick future films on BBC2 where they would be a better fit.”

The marvel superhero films are almost always top of the box office charts though, taking in billions for Dinsey every year- They are surely the very definition of mainstream- Whether people want to watch them again on TV is another argument though, they're very much a one and done thing for me- Are they as iconic as Disney classics/Harry potter etc... well clearly not and do people want to rewatch a three year old film when we've had at least 9 others in the meantime?

The one I do expect to do well ratings wise is Guardians of the galaxy- Timed right to captialise on the hype of the sequel I reckon it could do Skyfall numbers
Aurora13
31-12-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_N:
“Problem is, EE is low because the BBC don't promote it enough and I think the axing of BBC3 has hurt it viewers wise as well. It does seem being top soap for them is a bit too far gone, but more episodes and hard-hitting stuff like last night, they'll top the scoreboard.

CS - loyal viewers, promoted and has the advantage of +1. You could have 30 mins of Gail cooking the dinner, Eva with a rampant rabbit or Ken reading a passage from a newspaper - it'd score well.

I will say thank you to everyone who has supplied ratings and information.”

I've not watched EE since beginning of June. The last producer drove it into ground appealing to the gnats on twatter. I gave up once before when it became gangster central in 2000's but eventually found my way back. Not sure if I will this time.

I said the shark had been well and truly jumped on the night of live show. Suspect in hindsight that is going to be a pivotal moment in show history.
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