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The Ratings Thread (Part 68)
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chockabloke
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by decafcappuccino:
“I know there were trailers for eastenders but was the time of the episode included the bbc are good at that, I dont remeember the time in the trailer.

Its a disappointing it was a very good episode and it didnt get the usual boost.

So many characters have been killed off or left in the last 6+ months with no new characters coming in, with more still to go !”

The time was in the trailer.
cylon6
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Not even 6m for EE. Disappoiting. After all that promotion.

Sherlock did well. As did MBB. SOAH got a boost as predicted.

That's nearly a 2m drop YOY for EE. It was a good episode. But vewers clearly don't care anymore.”

Looking at last New Year's Day 2016

EastEnders: 7.24m (31.5%) at 6.30pm and 8.29m (33.4%) at 8.00pm. This was with the Mick/Linda/Dean storyline and an exciting trailer. Nothing as exciting this year that made you think it was must see. I thought this year's EastEnders looked more might see than must see from the trailer.
H of De Vil
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Hassaan13:
“Sunday 1st January 2016 - Overnights
BBC One
15:30 - Planet Earth II: A World of Wonder: 2.77m (18.2%)
17:00 - FILM: Monsters University: 3.49m (18.6%)
18:35 - BBC News: 5.27m (25.2%)
18:50 - BBC London News: 6.18m (29.2%)
19:00 - EastEnders: 5.99m (26.1%)
20:00 - Still Open All Hours: 4.33m (18.3%)
20:30 - Sherlock: 8.08m (32.8%)
22:00 - Mrs Brown's Boys New Year Special: 6.71m (32.5%)
22:35 - BBC News: 4.78m (26.8%)
22:50 - BBC London News: 4.50m (27.8%)
23:00 - Match of the Day 2: 2.27m (19.5%)
00:00 - Peter Pan Goes Wrong (r): 681k (10.9%)

ITV (inc +1)
13:00 - ITV Racing: Live from Cheltenham: 676k (5.4%)
15:30 - Ninja Warrior UK (r): 563k (3.9%)
16:30 - FILM: ET: The Extra-Terrestrial: 1.37m (7.5%)
18:40 - ITV News & Weather: 1.74m (8.3%)

19:00 - Diversity Presents Steal the Show: 1.84m (8.0%)
20:00 - Coronation Street: 6.15m (26.0%)
20:30 - Miranda: Morecambe & Wise and Me: 2.48m (10.5%)

BBC Two
18:00 - Croft and Perry: The Sitcoms: 1.43m (7.1%)
18:50 - Dad's Army: 2.14m (9.5%)
19:25 - Dad's Army: 2.64m (11.5%)
20:00 - Dragons' Den: 1.99m (8.1%)
21:00 - Thailand: Earth's Tropical Paradise: 2.00m (8.2%)
22:00 - FILM: What We Did on Our Holiday: 1.46m (8.4%)

Channel 4 (inc +1)
18:00 - FILM: Rio 2: 903k (4.2%)
20:00 - Titanic: The New Evidence: 2.21m (9.0%)
21:00 - Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol: 1.75m (8.9%)

Channel 5 (inc +1)
15:30 - FILM: Dirty Dancing: 879k (5.5%)
17:35 - The Adele Story (r): 1.38m (6.9%)
19:00 - World's Strongest Man 2016: Final: 1.85m (8.0%)

19:55 - 5 News Weekend: 910k (4.3%)
20:00 - FILM: Legally Blonde: 936k (3.8%)

Primetime shares (19:00-22:30 - inc +1)
BBC One: 28.7%
ITV: 12.0%
BBC Two: 8.7%
Channel 4: 7.3%
Channel 5: 4.8%

BBC One - 15-Minute Breakdown
Code:
18:00 - 3.88m (20.1%)
18:15 - 4.21m (20.9%)
18:30 - 4.96m (23.9%)
18:45 - 6.00m (28.4%)
19:00 - 6.07m (26.7%)
19:15 - 6.22m (26.9%)
19:30 - 6.38m (27.3%)
19:45 - 5.28m (23.4%)
20:00 - 3.88m (16.7%)
20:15 - 4.78m (19.9%)
20:30 - 8.44m (33.4%)
20:45 - 8.40m (33.1%)
21:00 - 8.24m (33.2%)
21:15 - 7.87m (32.3%)
21:30 - 7.80m (32.1%)
21:45 - 7.73m (32.4%)
22:00 - 6.48m (30.6%)
22:15 - 6.82m (33.5%)
22:30 - 5.55m (29.6%)
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Thanks Haassan

Monster University did fine.

BBC News getting its usual loyal default audience on Sunday. So EE had an excellent lead in, while Corrie had sub 2m.

ITV put out such a weak schedule during the whole day. After Christmas Day and Boxing Day doing well with films, NYD falls flat.

Ch4 had a good night - though Rio2 is below Tangled last year.

Ch5 had an excellent night, with The Adele Story rpt adding another 1.4m.
sw2963
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Looking at last New Year's Day 2016

EastEnders: 7.24m (31.5%) at 6.30pm and 8.29m (33.4%) at 8.00pm. This was with the Mick/Linda/Dean storyline and an exciting trailer. Nothing as exciting this year that made you think it was must see. I thought this year's EastEnders looked more might see than must see from the trailer.”

Should they have split it then? EE seems to perform better when it builds up the tension to a second episode. Emmerdale is adept at this when it has the double episodes bookending EE on a Thursday
iaindb
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by LHolmes:
“Is the 5.9m figure not tape checked then? I remember someone posting that ratings over Christmas generally aren't but I wasn't sure if that includes NYD.”

Well, why would 900,000 viewers switch off at quarter to eight and not watch the most dramatic part of the episode? If the third quarter hour (7.30 to 7.45) had an average of 6.38m watching, I find it difficult to believe less than 6m were watching the last 10 minutes. In which case there would have been over 6m watching throughout the whole running-time of EE so the tape-checked audience would be above 6m.

I wasn't downstairs at the time but I imagine the two soap viewers in this household switched over to ITV for Corrie as soon as EE ended and other soap viewers elsewhere probably did the same
KennyT
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by jake19801957:
“so is it all guess work what everyone else is watching as 5000 is a very small number”

It's based on "fairly" solid statistical techniques and is set up to be as representative a panel as is cost effective (e.g. you could double the number of homes and only increase the accuracy a little). Some "naysayers" quote recent poll results, like Trump's victory, as proof of the failings of the techniques, but, in fact, the polls weren't that far out, given that they were measuring the popular vote, which Clinton did win by about 2%, which was what, broadly, the polls were predicting.

But the main thing is that they are the only figures that we get regular access to, so we have no choice but to accept them, warts and all!

K
gilesb
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“see p5

http://www.barb.co.uk/download/?file...6_Dec_2015.pdf

K”

Thanks Kenny, looks like it is difficult to tell if they are watching on a computer or on their main television via smart tv/games console.
A.D.P
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Well, why would 900,000 viewers switch off at quarter to eight and not watch the most dramatic part of the episode? If the third quarter hour (7.30 to 7.45) had an average of 6.38m watching, I find it difficult to believe less than 6m were watching the last 10 minutes. In which case there would have been over 6m watching throughout the whole running-time of EE so the tape-checked audience would be above 6m.

I wasn't downstairs but I imagine the two soap viewers in this household switched over to ITV for Corrie as soon as EE ended.”

Agree, the early EE finish and Corrie on ITV gave a big switchover at 7.55 and has had an effect on EE average, some knee jerk reactions here, when actually you can see on breakdowns it did well.
Michael_Eve
02-01-2017
Anyone any idea when we might know the +7 consolidated figures for Christmas Day?
Hassaan13
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Agree, the early EE finish and Corrie on ITV gave a big switchover at 7.55 and has had an effect on EE average, some knee jerk reactions here, when actually you can see on breakdowns it did well.”

The irony of you accusing others of knee-jerk reactions... We hadn't seen the breakdown when we first got the figures. Looks like it isn't tapechecked, and even with it it'll be around 6.4m which, although slightly better, is still far lower than any of us expected. I still wouldn't call it 'well'.
H of De Vil
02-01-2017
Knee jerk reactions?

No you are right ADP. Being down 2m+ YOY is fine. Its not like it dropped 3m.

Even when tape-checked to around 6.3/4m, this will still be down heavily on last year figures. I cannot see how anyone can defend that.

The irony ADP is that you keep accusing people of always defending ITV always, which actually isn't true, yet go around defending the BBC non-stop.
Fudd
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Agree, the early EE finish and Corrie on ITV gave a big switchover at 7.55 and has had an effect on EE average, some knee jerk reactions here, when actually you can see on breakdowns it did well.”

Well? It didn't even manage 7m on one of it's biggest days of the year against sod all competition.
all_night
02-01-2017
Do the C5 ratings take into account the delay as Adele Story was listed on my guide but Dirty Dancing was still on for a while.
Chris1964
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Score:
“Good night for BBC2 there with a cracking rating for Dads Army, comfortably ahead of ITV.

Dragons Den was lower than the Summer run, but I'm not surprised as they didn't seem to promote it at all and even ran a trailer for Sherlock (which clashed with it) straight before it, as if it say "don't watch this, turn over and watch that instead" which I thought was a bit off.

They always seem to plug the Summer series quite heavily but never bother with the second half of the episodes in the Winter. It seems to have landed in the January 8pm slot this time to cover for Top Gear failing to deliver a series for the slot for the second year in a row, so you'd think they'd promote it to try and get the numbers as high as possible in a slot they're used to very high numbers in.”

Yes that was after a Croft/Perry retrospective and the episodes were the favourites of both of them. Brilliant they were too, the cast are almost all gone, but they are etched into the very best of television memory and legend and its an amazing tribute that its still picking up a regular audience almost 50 years after the first episode aired. The two selected episodes "Branded" and "Mums Army" have buckets of charm and emotion running through them and well worth a watch imo.
dullagj2
02-01-2017
EastEnders

19:00-19:15 6.07m
19:15-19:30 6.22m
19:30-19:45 6.38m
19:45-20:00 5.28m (early finish)

So it was at least 6.3m/6.4m tapechecked. Sherlock should have started at 8.
H of De Vil
02-01-2017
Looks like showing the premiere of The Dark Knight Rises might have been better than the M&W thing which lets face it, BBC2 do, Ch5 do and occasionlly Ch4. Christmas is saturated now.

I pointed out a couple of weeks back, ITV's NYD schedule should have been:

6.30pm ITV News
7pm Paul O' Grady For The Love Of Dogs NYD special
8pm Coronation Street
8.30pm The Dark Knight Rises
jlp95bwfc
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“EastEnders

19:00-19:15 6.07m
19:15-19:30 6.22m
19:30-19:45 6.38m
19:45-20:00 5.28m (early finish)

So it was at least 6.3m/6.4m tapechecked. Sherlock should have started at 8.”

I'm slightly confused. The first 45 minutes average was 6.22m so the last 10 minutes must have averaged very high for the tape checked average to be 6.4m unless I'm missing something? What time did EE start?

I'd say 6.3m at most would be the tape checked average.
Baz_James
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by jake19801957:
“so is it all guess work what everyone else is watching as 5000 is a very small number”

Actually given the general fall off in audiences it's probably now a tad too large a number from a statistically significant point of view. Don't forget that it's 5000 households so in the region of 15000 actual viewers.
Jay Lee
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by dullagj2:
“EastEnders

19:00-19:15 6.07m
19:15-19:30 6.22m
19:30-19:45 6.38m
19:45-20:00 5.28m (early finish)

So it was at least 6.3m/6.4m tapechecked. Sherlock should have started at 8.”

Do we ever get tapechecked figures for BBC shows?
Hassaan13
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Jay Lee:
“Do we ever get tapechecked figures for BBC shows?”

We do, but only where 5-minute breakdowns are available (on nights they aren't reported). Looks like none of last night's figures are tapechecked.
Pop_Art
02-01-2017
So make of it what you will but it seems that a load of viewers turned off EE just after Lee Carters crying fit in the kitchen!
A.D.P
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Well? It didn't even manage 7m on one of it's biggest days of the year against sod all competition.”

Currently positions 1 and 2 on IPlayer, most watched, where many EE fans watch.

Sherlock is 3rd

Overnights are less relevant, bar live LE shiny shows with voting.
A.D.P
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by Pop_Art:
“So make of it what you will but it seems that a load of viewers turned off EE just after Lee Carters crying fit in the kitchen!”

Bullying, harassment, financial debt are important issues at this time of the year, EE is following its roots on a social awareness of important issues. The story line on Friday at the car park was brilliantly acted.

Men can cry and be upset, and do need help at times, the same as ladies.
Pop_Art
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Bullying, harassment, financial debt are important issues at this time of the year, EE is following its roots on a social awareness of important issues. The story line on Friday at the car park was brilliantly acted.

Men can cry and be upset, and do need help at times, the same as ladies.”

And I'm not saying it isn't and you are right the episodes last week were superb but it doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that viewers suddenly switched off last night right after a scene in which Danny Boy wasn't very good at all. That kitchen scene ruined the whole episode for me and if the breakdown is correct viewers turned the episode off right after it happened.
H of De Vil
02-01-2017
Originally Posted by A.D.P:
“Currently positions 1 and 2 on IPlayer, most watched, where many EE fans watch.

Sherlock is 3rd

Overnights are less relevant for only BBC shows, bar live LE shiny shows with voting and anything on ITV”

Edited post.

EE is always no 1 on Iplayer. As is Sherlock top. This excuse isn't really valid. Corrie is top of ITV HUB as well. TXF is always top on ITV Hub.

Doesn't stop the overnights being low.
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