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I thought EE was great.
I think "bad episode" is just the thread's way of coming to terms with a good rating. ![]() It will probably be the highest rating of 2017, though. I also think Emmerdale will peak for the year next Monday, and I expect Coronation St to get its highest of 2017 on the Monday of the National Television Awards week. |
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I watched Impossible yesterday afternoon and thought it was promising. Interestingly it was from the creator of Tipping Point. He likes games where coins and coin shaped objects drop doesn't he?
Great set and you can play along to it at home. One of the strengths of it is that Rick Edwards is hosting and he does have some personality to him. BBC1 doesn't have a really good daytime quiz apart from Pointless, this might be the best they've had in ages.Another quiz with no studio audience though the amount of contestants means it doesn't matter much. |
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This bit tells you all you need to know:
This is to do with demos more than the raw figures. If it does end up coming back, I don't know where I'd place it personally. Certainly not in the same place again. "Fantastic viewing figures of over 2m each week" (even despite going up against Strictly) is an exaggeration and a half. I find it hard to believe ITV can't do better there. I would not be surprised if the show gets the same ratings as got last year. Which is a shame really as Strictly is far better when pressure is put on it, I feel it is a little too comfortable with itself now. But if it works it works.
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I have, yes. It's a well put together promo (here if anyone hasn't seen it). 1 minute of video that comprehensively proves that C5's content isn't all cheap benefits tat as per popular rumour. Quite a bit there that could rate I think, as well as one or two pieces that sound a bit more experimental.
We can't ignore this big lack of drama in the week though. I know it's getting harder and I know they've had their fingers burnt a number of times with shows like Once Upon a Time and Person of Interest, but there really should be one slot in the week for US imports all year round, even if it's at 10pm. Just adds some much needed variety to the schedule. Even as recently as a few years ago they had a fair bit of success on Tuesday nights in January with Body of Proof, a show that didn't even rate that well in the States and was lucky to get three seasons. Things have got harder since then, but that doesn't mean you stop trying. It's all well and good concentrating on factual and doing a better job of that than ever but without good drama around, even imported, they are always going to lack identity and not stand out enough. In particular docs fronted by talent that also work for other channels like Tony Robinson don't tend to be channel defining. People may not even associate the programme with the correct channel after the event, and even putting viewer ignorance aside, if it's a programme that could have easily been made for C4 in the first place and felt perfectly at home there then it rather confirms the idea that C5 still has an identity crisis that's no closer to being resolved. |
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I never implied they didn't have a choice. I see you are taking great lessons from Baz in being rude and twisting people's posts. I think it's best if i avoid posting here from now and on. I've been away a month and when i come back, i am reminded why i left DS in the first place.
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ITV are providing an alternative, and not just allowing the slot to go to waste. If viewers want to continue watching a 20year old drama on BBC1, then that's their choice.
The Halycon could have done better, but it should consolidate well (2m+) I'm still surprised that ITV didn't wait and play The Halcyon on Sundays after Sherlock finishes. If they can break up a run of Midsomer Murders, they could easily do the same for Endeavour or Vera, and could easily pick up the CTM audience (especially as there's at least one cast member from CTM in The Halcyon). Do we know what is playing after Sherlock on BBC One? |
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I never implied they didn't have a choice. I see you are taking great lessons from Baz in being rude and twisting people's posts. I think it's best if i avoid posting here from now and on. I've been away a month and when i come back, i am reminded why i left DS in the first place.
On a different note, The Sun's 'article' about Meet The Parents just goes to show you can get the nasty tabloid rags to write exactly what you want, providing the sponsorship fee is high enough. |
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This bit tells you all you need to know:
This is to do with demos more than the raw figures. If it does end up coming back, I don't know where I'd place it personally. Certainly not in the same place again. "Fantastic viewing figures of over 2m each week" (even despite going up against Strictly) is an exaggeration and a half. I find it hard to believe ITV can't do better there. I think that's extreme but itv probably loves the MTP demos. It clearly needs to grow to over 3m but a better slot should do that. Channels should be offering a nice mix of programming that attract viewers with a wide range of interests. If some of those shows only get 1-3m, that doesn't mean they should be canned. Especially after a short-run. Go For It, Magician, MTP and any Diversity series all are suited to that 6pm sort of time on a Saturday or 6:30 on a Sunday. |
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I'm still surprised that ITV didn't wait and play The Halcyon on Sundays after Sherlock finishes. If they can break up a run of Midsomer Murders, they could easily do the same for Endeavour or Vera, and could easily pick up the CTM audience (especially as there's at least one cast member from CTM in The Halcyon). Do we know what is playing after Sherlock on BBC One? Quote:
Which is precisely why I said they should bring it back. Quite simply some viewers are worth more than others to itv. TV By The Numbers website simply bases who won a slot by which show got the most viewers aged between 18-49, nobody else matters to them.
I think that's extreme but itv probably loves the MTP demos. It clearly needs to grow to over 3m but a better slot should do that. Channels should be offering a nice mix of programming that attract viewers with a wide range of interests. If some of those shows only get 1-3m, that doesn't mean they should be canned. Especially after a short-run. Go For It, Magician, MTP and any Diversity series all are suited to that 6pm sort of time on a Saturday or 6:30 on a Sunday. |
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I never implied they didn't have a choice. I see you are taking great lessons from Baz in being rude and twisting people's posts. I think it's best if i avoid posting here from now and on. I've been away a month and when i come back, i am reminded why i left DS in the first place.
All I meant was that viewers aren't likely to turn over to new a drama when they have watched SW for 20 series. |
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I never implied they didn't have a choice. I see you are taking great lessons from Baz in being rude and twisting people's posts. I think it's best if i avoid posting here from now and on. I've been away a month and when i come back, i am reminded why i left DS in the first place.
By the way, comparing someone to Baz... that's cold!!
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There's plenty going on in EadtEnders. The Aftermath of Ronnie and Roxy's tragic deaths, Denise's imminently giving birth, Phil's recovery, Max's self harm, Michelle's secret, Lee's exit. I think Sean O' Connor knows what to do with the show. Giving viewers a gritty but balanced soap. EE is at its best when it combines drama and light hearted moments perfectly.
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EastEnders: 7.66m (32.4%)
Interests are there, viewers use different channels, consolidated figures more important, premature knee jerk responses , have been proven wrong. People used their bsnk holiday times for their lives but are interested in EE. |
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There's plenty going on in EadtEnders. The Aftermath of Ronnie and Roxy's tragic deaths, Denise's imminently giving birth, Phil's recovery, Max's self harm, Michelle's secret, Lee's exit. I think Sean O' Connor knows what to do with the show. Giving viewers a gritty but balanced soap. EE is at its best when it combines drama and light hearted moments perfectly.
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Which is precisely why I said they should bring it back. Quite simply some viewers are worth more than others to itv. TV By The Numbers website simply bases who won a slot by which show got the most viewers aged between 18-49, nobody else matters to them.
I think that's extreme but itv probably loves the MTP demos. It clearly needs to grow to over 3m but a better slot should do that. Channels should be offering a nice mix of programming that attract viewers with a wide range of interests. If some of those shows only get 1-3m, that doesn't mean they should be canned. Especially after a short-run. Go For It, Magician, MTP and any Diversity series all are suited to that 6pm sort of time on a Saturday or 6:30 on a Sunday. But Meet The Parents wasn't getting 1-3m. It was getting 1-2m. An awful, awful rating for a programme in a 7pm slot. I don't see what good bringing back all those above would be. Go For It came back for a one-off special and got 1.6m. Even if MTP is pulling in 300-400k in the 16-34 demo, the overall numver is no good. It also does no good leading into big programmes at 8pm. Diversity doesn't deserve a return either. ITV need a cleaner schedule of hits. Not make do with flops, just because they skew younger. |
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I never implied they didn't have a choice. I see you are taking great lessons from Baz in being rude and twisting people's posts. I think it's best if i avoid posting here from now and on. I've been away a month and when i come back, i am reminded why i left DS in the first place.
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Interesting,, the over reaction, and writing off of EE on this thread is proven ( again) so so wrong. So the BBC should cancel the EE redevelopment? Posted here! Or the big NYD rating was lambasted here, but it seems thoose who didn't watch live, caught up somehow, as I suggested, as they watched last night.
Interests are there, viewers use different channels, consolidated figures more important, premature knee jerk responses , have been proven wrong. People used their bsnk holiday times for their lives but are interested in EE. And the whole debacle will start again with you in late August. |
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Interesting,, the over reaction, and writing off of EE on this thread is proven ( again) so so wrong. So the BBC should cancel the EE redevelopment? Posted here! Or the big NYD rating was lambasted here, but it seems thoose who didn't watch live, caught up somehow, as I suggested, as they watched last night.
Interests are there, viewers use different channels, consolidated figures more important, premature knee jerk responses , have been proven wrong. People used their bsnk holiday times for their lives but are interested in EE. All overreactions, and all wrong. If you're going to use the changing viewing habits, consolidated figures argument at least be consistent. |
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That 20-year-old drama has survived pretty well and is pretty much the only returning title from BBC Drama in London … so given that BBC Studios is now a reality, I'd've thought there would be people ensuring that it doesn't end any time soon.
I'm still surprised that ITV didn't wait and play The Halcyon on Sundays after Sherlock finishes. If they can break up a run of Midsomer Murders, they could easily do the same for Endeavour or Vera, and could easily pick up the CTM audience (especially as there's at least one cast member from CTM in The Halcyon). Do we know what is playing after Sherlock on BBC One? I think ITV view Endeavour as slightly less 'throwaway' than Midsomer. It always gets decent Sunday slots and they never break up the series, whereas Midsomer has played midweek for years now and they've broken up the series quite frequently. From 2009-12 when ITV had the Champions League on Wednesdays they scattered the Midsomer episodes through the year on Wednesdays inbetween matches. I think these shows tend to play better as part of a full series rather than scattered though, so I'm slightly surprised they've done it again with Midsomer after running home together for the past couple of years. I think The Halcyon ended up on Mondays partly because ITV didn't want to put a crime drama against Silent Witness but mainly because they didn't have anything to pair it up with on Sundays. If it went at 9pm they'd have had to put something at 8pm to inevitably struggle against Midwife, whereas Vera/Endeavour cover the full 2 hours. |
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For those interested, here's how The Tracey Ullman Show performed last time in the post-news slot, ahead of its return next Friday.
11/01/16 - 2.85m (23.6%) 18/01/16 - 2.39m (21.2%) * 84% of the audience were 45+ 25/01/16 - 1.83m (16.0%) 01/02/16 - 1.77m (15.5%) 08/02/16 - 1.71m (15.4%) 15/02/16 - 1.42m (13.4%) Sources: Broadcast Magazine and British Comedy Guide The same for Not Going Out: Overnight ratings* Highest-rated in a series in bold
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* Some episodes were delayed in parts of the UK; hence the consolidated ratings (which exclude opt-outs) are in some cases lower than the overnights (which include opt-outs) And an update for Mrs Brown's Boys: Code:
Episode Overnight Official Timeshift 26 Dec 11 6.61m (28.1%) 8.24m 1.63m 24 Dec 12 8.78m (36.9%) 11.68m 2.90m 26 Dec 12 8.97m (36.9%) 10.72m 1.75m 25 Dec 13 9.40m (35.5%) 11.52m 2.12m 30 Dec 13 8.71m (35.6%) 11.27m 2.56m 25 Dec 14 7.61m (32.2%) 9.69m 2.08m 01 Jan 15 7.94m (32.4%) 9.51m 1.57m 25 Dec 15 6.41m (27.7%) 9.49m 3.08m 01 Jan 16 5.58m (31.7%) 7.92m 2.34m 23 Jul 16 6.45m (36.9%) 8.82m 2.37m 25 Dec 16 6.13m (32.4%) 8.98m 2.85m 01 Jan 17 6.71m (32.5%) |
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But Meet The Parents wasn't getting 1-3m. It was getting 1-2m. An awful, awful rating for a programme in a 7pm slot.
I don't see what good bringing back all those above would be. Go For It came back for a one-off special and got 1.6m. Even if MTP is pulling in 300-400k in the 16-34 demo, the overall numver is no good. It also does no good leading into big programmes at 8pm. Diversity doesn't deserve a return either. ITV need a cleaner schedule of hits. Not make do with flops, just because they skew younger. MTP has less chance of a renewal because it failed against shows not called SCD and I imagine it lacked the demos. It was a poorer version of You Bet with a bad choice of host. Diversity has never been given a proper show. It shouldn't be that hard to come up with a concept that has more than just them to it. You can keep one-and-doneing new shows, it won't get you anywhere. |
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Interesting,, the over reaction, and writing off of EE on this thread is proven ( again) so so wrong. So the BBC should cancel the EE redevelopment? Posted here! Or the big NYD rating was lambasted here, but it seems thoose who didn't watch live, caught up somehow, as I suggested, as they watched last night.
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There's plenty going on in EadtEnders. The Aftermath of Ronnie and Roxy's tragic deaths, Denise's imminently giving birth, Phil's recovery, Max's self harm, Michelle's secret, Lee's exit. I think Sean O' Connor knows what to do with the show. Giving viewers a gritty but balanced soap. EE is at its best when it combines drama and light hearted moments perfectly.
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I think it's Apple Tree Yard after Sherlock. The Endeavour/Vera combo does successfully fill the schedule nicely and I imagine Sundays in March will be either The Good Karma Hospital, Grantchester or Little Boy Blue
I can't help but wonder if The Halcyon was relegated to Mondays because ITV weren't sure how it would go down. It was a Steve November commission and he has come up with more duds than hits … plus there is a new drama chief in place there who is very clearly on a mission to make her own mark at the channel. The overnights were OK, but not overwhelming, and the reviews I've seen have been very mixed. Maybe they were hedging their bets? I guess we will have to see how the next seven weeks go … |
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Great set and you can play along to it at home. One of the strengths of it is that Rick Edwards is hosting and he does have some personality to him. BBC1 doesn't have a really good daytime quiz apart from Pointless, this might be the best they've had in ages.