You can grow a show though, look at the BBC with Michael Mcintyre, its first series wasn't superbly well received and it dropped throughout its run but it was very compatible with its strictly lead in and consolidated well over 7m for its second run and won the Christmas Eve overnights anchoring it on its own. A bona fide hit that would likely now do a job for them without Strictly. (I'm assuming it will share the winter slot again though with His Dark Materials)

Meet the Parents probably doesn't deserve another go, but it can't be that expensive to make so I'd try it midweek without Strictly Strangling it and see how it does. You could put it on a Tuesday as something a bit different against Holby instead of terrible factual that doesn't rate anyway.

Diversity on the other hand probably does deserve a run, it was flung out in a fairly unpromoted NYE slot and it did respectably enough. It might make for a more exciting schedule if it lead out of BGT instead of the god awful Play to the Whistle which does terribly anyway. Clever scheduling also got NWUK off the ground which did a very respectable job against The Voice once it had established itself as a brand.

What I'm saying in a very long winded way is that just because something might flop once, there are other reasons it may do so and often it may be worth giving something a second chance.

Given The Lion King ate so much into Frozen's rating, what film do you think ITV should use for 2017 at Christmas?

I think it helped that many were so fed up with the Frozen, and The Lion King was a more deserving experience of viewing helped the latter gain traction.

I personally think they should continue with classic Disney animations, keep the Harrp Potters in the same slots during daytime.

Which other classic Disney films haven't been given a terrestrial premiere yet? Best to save them for Christmas.

You should have read the posts on here in September from one of the posters on here, he was saying all the sorts of things you're criticising.

He'd have really annoyed you.

Well yes they are good ponts. But, as you say MTP oesn't really deserve another series because it has such a limited appeal.

Diversity might have more chance of a return, but it bottomed out on NYD despite EE posting a poor figure. It should have at least been over 2m to even consider giving it another go.

The difference with Michael's Big Show is that, like Palladium its appeal to a whole family, and many older older viewers (which mainly helped it grow with its lead out of SCD). MTP won't be the same.

Ninja Warrior UK does well again because the whole family can watch it. Peraonally I think Keep It In The Family should be brought back given it posted some 17-20% shares in a 7pm on its last series during Summer. Bradley Walsh is just as good as MM, and it would do well leading into BGT. Two family shows.

There are certain series that shows signs off life. Neither Meet The Parents nor Diversity did. Magician started fine over 3m, but dropped out to under 2m.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/let-it-...-should-watch/

So Digital Spy seem impressed with Let it Shine which also tallies with the pre screening favourable impressions. It's not had the greatest of trailers so I'm intrigued to see how this one gets on. If it is as fun and light hearted as this article suggests it could do pretty well.

I think The Lion King was the last, everything else has debuted in the last few years. I think Snow White probably wouldn't rate that well plus it does look its age whereas Lion King despite being 22 years old still looks fantastic.

Minions would be best for Christmas Day as kids love them and it would rate better than Big Hero 6 or The Lego Movie

Given that Beauty and the Beast and The Jungle Book will do/have already had remakes, it seems sensible to air one of those two.

BATB is out this March, so the hype surrounding it might still be around at Christmas (as the DVD will be out just before Christmas).

Also, Now TV managed to get the remake of The Jungle Book very quickly, so I wonder if ITV could get the rights for this year?

I've heard it all now when Monday's in January is seen as a relegation.

Yet again we've got posts where ITV can't do right for doing wrong, they either 'kill off' a show by airing it against an established hit, or roll over and get slammed for not competing by airing a filler.

I also agree that some of these light entertainment shows should return, or else you just end up burning through formats, where nothing ever gets more than one series. It also needs to be factored in that a couple of million of mostly older viewers will watch Pointless Celebrities or Countryfile come what may, so those viewers should basically be ignored when deciding what is a hit and what isn't. Saying everything is a flop because it doesn't beat those shows won't get you anywhere.

I'm not sure. I think Snow White was on Ch5, but that like Ch4, didn't get much of a chance to rate well.

Something like Beauty & The Beast would be a good shout. Given the new film is out this year, showing that at Christmas would certainly pull in a good audience.

The Emporers New Groove, Pete's Dragon? Both of those woud be great choices for Christmas Eve.

Yes Minions would be a good choice. But I think Boxing Day would be best for this. Or at least in a 5-6ish slot on Christmas Day.

I suspect The Jungle Book will be with the BBC and it won't be until Christmas 2018 at the earliest.

Beauty and the Beast did decently when it debuted on Channel 5 and I think whoever has the rights to it probably would well showing it in before the live action version debuts in March


Emperor's New Groove wouldn't rate well and neither would Pete's Dragon, the remake of the latter is a much better film than the original but that won't debut on FTA until 2018

Let It Shine could be a better show than the trailer suggests. The current trailer using clips works better than the launch trailer.

2.22m (consolidated) it got on Five, and that was in the summer.

It will go well again for whoever has the rights and I'm sure they won't miss the opportunity with the new version set to debut.

Here's a treat. Every single overnight rating for ratings thread favourite Citizen Khan:


It is consistent at least!

SW is a highly successful show. If the Halcyon can stay within 1.5m of it then it's doing really well. As ADP would advise us, how it timeshifts is important.

The Telegraph didn't like it, the Guardian and Mail loved it. The latter two are the two most visited newspaper sites in the UK, they're the two that matter.
Actually, the Mail is the most visited English language newspaper site in the world and has a big readership in America. I'm not sure how the Mail and Guardian will feel about agreeing with each other or for that matter actually liking something new.

Think TLK was one of the last (certainly the biggest) to get a terrestrial premiere. Only one i can think of that hasn't been on is Fantasia? But can't see that doing nearly as well.

The Little Mermaid could do well in that slot next year, as it has only been shown once on Channel 5 in a poor slot to a small audience.

Great rating for EE. Funny how some of the gloom and doom merchants were delighted to comment yesterday but say nothing today.
Don't think it will last mind but it's created some amusement.

From what I remember a lot of people praised the rating this morning after rightly criticising it yesterday. What more do you want?

Well if that final can't grab a huge audience then it never will.

Used to love watching the darts but slowly but surely the crowd has worn me down with their boring chanting.

Fantasia is visually stunning but uncut its over 2 hours long. It's be more at home on BBC Two than ITV.

I'm sure some have. Well done to them

You've got Bradly Walsh hosting Keep it in the Family, The Chase and Blankety Blank. I like the fella but that's probably overkill, especially for someone whose never had a big hit in 20 years.

It was a bad rating yesterday and a good one today.

That's not really important though, the main thing is whether the audience sticks around.

And nobody has equally used the BBC Iplayer excuse either - that it being in the no1 spot.

I think there was plenty of praise for EE this morning. The only difference being it got a better rating for a weaker episode.