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Old 04-01-2017, 15:47
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The BBC might not be ITV's main competition so why schedule like it is? Putting Emmerdale opposite EastEnders doesn't help Emmerdale. Pick your battles carefully which is what ITV are doing with The Halcyon and keeping Broadchurch away from Silent Witness.

With no Champions League football those slots have been given over to drama on ITV. Some work, some don't. As is always the way. Best time to launch them is when they don't face drama hits.

Midsomer does okay but it usually faces factual on Wednesday. Lewis was put on Tuesday at 9pm for its last series facing a declining New Tricks I think.

EastEnders has been awful for ages but one good story can boost its ratings. It hasn't had one for months and I'm stunned the aftermath of Ronnie & Roxy's death has been the one that worked. Doctor Who is similar, ratings can be low but publicise a Regeneration and viewers tune in for it.

BBC1 has moved Holby City several times. When EastEnders had the funeral of Lucy Beale and ITV decided to have an hour-long episode on Tuesday, BBC1 moved Holby to Thursday at 8pm, combined Tuesday & Thursday's EastEnders and had an hour-long episode on Tuesday at 8pm. On that occasion it worked really well as it felt more of an event and got just under 8m viewers.
To quote Judy Geller, that's a lot of information to get in thirty seconds.

As 'an outside looking in', if someone asked me what to expect from ITV in an evening I'd say..

A lot of soaps, always at 7, often 7:30 and also at 8:30 on some days,
Filler magazine programmes on for 30 minutes in between the soaps (they may be good but I'm not sure when they're on and can't be bothered to try),
Normally drama at 9pm, if I had to guess what days I'd say Monday, Wednesday and Thursday,
Wednesdays is a different sort of day.

This is what I'd have said six months ago before someone suggested I might want to check out this forum. I certainly had no idea about the itv Tuesday issue and I'm not convinced people default stay away from ITV on Tuesdays.

This was why I was interested by JamesJ whole idea of segmentation, trying to quarantine the soaps so other formats had space to breathe and grow. It's what BBC1 has. Though all of these hour-long soap episodes is confusing me even more.
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Old 04-01-2017, 15:55
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I know bringing back old shows isn't very creative but I think they should bring back Weakest Link to alternate with Pointless but I am not sure Anne would want to bring it back though but who would you have in her place?
Katie Hopkins? James Jordan?
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Old 04-01-2017, 16:48
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Just found these from the Guardian/Observer archive I have access to, 35 years ago to the very week (well, yesterday). If this thread was around then, I'm sure people would've adored Crossroads

Top Twenty Most Watched Shows w/e 3 January 1982:
Coronation Street (Wed) - 16.92m, ITV (Granada)
Carry on Laughing - 16.49m, ITV
Coronation Street (Mon) - 15.22m, ITV (Granada)
Film: Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 14.78m, ITV*
Give Us a Clue - 14.34m, ITV (Thames)
London Night Out - 14.27m, ITV (Thames)
Hi-De-Hi! - 14.21m, BBC 1
Cannon and Ball - 13.97m, ITV (LWT)
The Krypton Factor International - 13.91m, ITV (Granada)
News at 5.45 (Fri) - 13.88m, ITV (ITN)
The Two Ronnies - 13.68m, BBC 1
Barbara Woodhouse Goes to Beverley Hills - 13.19m, ITV (Yorkshire)
Crossroads (Wed) - 13.17m, ITV (ATV)
Jim’ll Fix It - 13.08m, BBC 1
Dallas - 12.88m, BBC 1
The Gentle Touch - 12.79m, ITV (LWT)
Crossroads (Tue) - 12.55m, ITV (ATV)
Film: Carquake - 12.52m, ITV
3-2-1 - 12.51m, ITV (Yorkshire)
The Fall Guy - 12.36m, ITV

* Not shown in the TVS region
Shows how utterly dominant ITV was in ratings terms - churning out some pretty dismal shows but getting monster ratings....
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:17
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Does the Holby rating include those watching River City on BBC One Scotland and are two figures ever provided?
I believe that they're counted together for overnights, but split in the officials. Correct me if I'm wrong
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:20
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Call The Midwife The casebook a one off special Sunday 15 January at 5/05pm BBC One

Also FA Cup replay scheduled for Tuesday 17th moving Holby City and Silent Witness to Wednesday
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:28
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Emma tries to look and act enthusiastic...
From what I've seen, there's never any problem with her enthusiasm. She doesn't really need a microphone.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:34
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You don't need to be a snob to see it for what it is. I can list countless reality shows and/or competitions which are genuine quality TV and don't rely on sexism/racism/bullying rows to carry them through at all, let alone every night for weeks.

People wouldn't have known how dire the lineup is unless they tuned in, so the root cause must go deeper.

And considering its highest ever audience was in the 10s, it's hardly one of the "most successful TV formats ever", is it?
You clearly don't like the show and are just giving your personal opinion on whether it is a quality TV programme, many others would disagree with you, and there is no right or wrong answer.

Of course people knew how dire the lineup was before it aired, most of the names of the housemates were available from just about every media outlet.

I fully stand by it being one of the most successful TV formats ever, it's an incredibly well known brand, an international franchise with 387 series in over 54 countries and regions, a genuine game changer and shaper of reality TV as we know it. That strong legacy can't just be wiped aside because of it's current standard and limited success.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:40
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Shows how utterly dominant ITV was in ratings terms - churning out some pretty dismal shows but getting monster ratings....
Crossroads, 13m with a UK population of 9m less than now.

Don't remember ITV bragging about 'bringing the nation together'.
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Old 04-01-2017, 17:51
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Shows how utterly dominant ITV was in ratings terms - churning out some pretty dismal shows but getting monster ratings....
Worth pointing that out, when people away say ITV would get better ratings if they showed "better programmes like in the old days"

Then you look and see those high rating programmes were stuff like Cannon and Ball, 321 etc. Anything along those lines would be sub 3m these days.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:05
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I think it's fair to say that Let it Shine is getting a bit of promotion.

Adverts in between every single programme by the look of it, plus radio adverts, and features on Breakfast.

It's almost as if the BBC are wanting it to do well and kill off a certain other programme.

I wonder if Channel 4 are looking on, as just wait until the BBC start promoting the show that will air against Bake Off. I expect Bake Off won't be mentioned again on the BBC until they report on the lower ratings, which will no doubt get a high profile spot on the Ten.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:09
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Just found these from the Guardian/Observer archive I have access to, 35 years ago to the very week (well, yesterday). If this thread was around then, I'm sure people would've adored Crossroads

Top Twenty Most Watched Shows w/e 3 January 1982:
Coronation Street (Wed) - 16.92m, ITV (Granada)
Carry on Laughing - 16.49m, ITV
Coronation Street (Mon) - 15.22m, ITV (Granada)
Film: Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 14.78m, ITV*
Give Us a Clue - 14.34m, ITV (Thames)
London Night Out - 14.27m, ITV (Thames)
Hi-De-Hi! - 14.21m, BBC 1
Cannon and Ball - 13.97m, ITV (LWT)
The Krypton Factor International - 13.91m, ITV (Granada)
News at 5.45 (Fri) - 13.88m, ITV (ITN)
The Two Ronnies - 13.68m, BBC 1
Barbara Woodhouse Goes to Beverley Hills - 13.19m, ITV (Yorkshire)
Crossroads (Wed) - 13.17m, ITV (ATV)
Jim’ll Fix It - 13.08m, BBC 1
Dallas - 12.88m, BBC 1
The Gentle Touch - 12.79m, ITV (LWT)
Crossroads (Tue) - 12.55m, ITV (ATV)
Film: Carquake - 12.52m, ITV
3-2-1 - 12.51m, ITV (Yorkshire)
The Fall Guy - 12.36m, ITV

* Not shown in the TVS region
Wow, there are some big figures for some rubbish shows. Dallas on the wane then, I can't remember.

Now we get rubbish shows like Robson Crusoe but sadly no one bothers.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:10
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It's almost as if the BBC are wanting it to do well and kill off a certain other programme.
Aren't we all!
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:14
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Worth pointing that out, when people away say ITV would get better ratings if they showed "better programmes like in the old days"

Then you look and see those high rating programmes were stuff like Cannon and Ball, 321 etc. Anything along those lines would be sub 3m these days.
People liked Cannon and Ball just like they liked Russ Abbot plus Little and Large. Now we can say that times have changed and people demand cerebic humour now but then you see Miranda and MBBoys and their ratings and you wonder.

321 was never a strong brand due to Dusty Bin and the riddles. It was enormously popular because it combined variety with a gameshow. To some extent Takeaway still does.

Part of the reason ITV's ratings were so good was that there was nothing else on. There were only three or four channels, few people owned videos and BBC1 was often pretty rubbish. RayT might be able to tell us what BBC1 had at 7pm on weekdays before Wogan came along. I'm struggling to think of much besides Tomorrow's World.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:23
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Shows how utterly dominant ITV was in ratings terms - churning out some pretty dismal shows but getting monster ratings....
1981 to 1983 was a particularly bad period for the BBC iirc after the loss of headline acts and lack of creative scheduling- before Michael Grade took on the challenge.

That figure for Carry on Laughing is amazing, just a clip show. Whatever must have been the BBC opposition!
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:38
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Has anybody got any daytime ratings for BBC One and ITV for any day this week?
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:39
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People liked Cannon and Ball just like they liked Russ Abbot plus Little and Large. Now we can say that times have changed and people demand cerebic humour now but then you see Miranda and MBBoys and their ratings and you wonder.

321 was never a strong brand due to Dusty Bin and the riddles. It was enormously popular because it combined variety with a gameshow. To some extent Takeaway still does.

Part of the reason ITV's ratings were so good was that there was nothing else on. There were only three or four channels, few people owned videos and BBC1 was often pretty rubbish. RayT might be able to tell us what BBC1 had at 7pm on weekdays before Wogan came along. I'm struggling to think of much besides Tomorrow's World.
Agreed.

You can never get away from the fact that 2/3/4 channels is going to create bigger ratings for shows than 102/103/104 is going to do, but people genuinely liked Cannon and Ball/Russ Abbott and many many sketch show/variety/comedy/double acts running through the seventies and eighties. The goalposts did move, comedy became more adult on tv simply because it eventually was allowed to and imo that was one of the factors hastening the end of variety style shows because they seemed bland in comparison.

321 iirc was scheduled in part against Jim'll Fix It which was had reached its 20 million peak around 1980. As I remember 321 used to beat it in the early 80's although both shows were still recording substantial figures.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:39
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It's almost as if the BBC are wanting it to do well and kill off a certain other programme.
Ninja Warrior?

(Yes, I know you mean The Voice, but there's only a 25-minute overlap between the two shows.)
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:43
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Ninja Warrior?

(Yes, I know you mean The Voice, but there's only a 25-minute overlap between the two shows.)
Wouldn't be surprised to see Let It Shine ahead in the 25-minute overlap period, at least for some of it. It will dent The Voice.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:46
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Wouldn't be surprised to see Let It Shine ahead in the 25-minute overlap period, at least for some of it. It will dent The Voice.
I will be very surprised if it's the opposite. At that point it will have been on for an hour, so Let it Shine will definitely be ahead in the overlap period, unless it happens to do really poorly compared to The Voice.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:53
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I'm going to predict 7.1m for Let it Shine and 6.4m for The Voice.

I think Let it Shine will rise but I think The Voice will fall.
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:53
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Has anybody got any daytime ratings for BBC One and ITV for any day this week?
Monday:

Final Score: 1.03m
Impossible: 1.1m (11.7%)
Antiques Road Trip: 2.59m
Pointless: 4.17m

Tipping Point: 2.85m
The Chase: 3.73m

Tuesday:

Father Brown: 1.94m
Impossible: 1.02m
Escape to the Country: 969k
Hairy Bikers: 1.25m
Antiques Road Trip: 2.12m
Pointless: 3.49m

Judge Rinder: 1.05m
Dickinson's Real Deal: 1.20m
Tipping Point: 2.58m (23.6%)
The Chase: 3.75m (24.6%)

Sources: cylon6, overnights.tv and rzt
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Old 04-01-2017, 18:54
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Great for EastEnders
Poor for CBB, watched and was underwhelmed by the HMs chosen
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:01
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Thanks for the old ratings!

I can't believe how popular Last of a Summer Wine was. I think it's one of the worst, least funny shows on UK TV, and that says a lot. I've forced myself to watch reruns recently. Maybe it's my age, I'm in my 20s, but I love all things 70s and 80s, films, TV and music... LOTSW though is certainly not one of them.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:03
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Monday:

Final Score: 1.03m
Impossible: 1.1m (11.7%)
Antiques Road Trip: 2.59m
Pointless: 4.17m

Tipping Point: 2.85m
The Chase: 3.73m

Tuesday:

Father Brown: 1.94m
Impossible: 1.02m
Escape to the Country: 969k
Hairy Bikers: 1.25m
Antiques Road Trip: 2.12m
Pointless: 3.49m

Judge Rinder: 1.05m
Dickinson's Real Deal: 1.20m
Tipping Point: 2.58m (23.6%)
The Chase: 3.75m (24.6%)

Sources: cylon6, overnights.tv and rzt
Thanks Hassaan

Judge Rinder is looking a little low at the moment, although it's about the same level This Morning was at in December, so not the worst performer.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:03
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Great for EastEnders
Poor for CBB, watched and was underwhelmed by the HMs chosen
Agreed on both points really. Cast is poor, but I weirdly think it will be a good series, miles better than last year anyway.

Caught EE over the last 2 days due to the hype (first time since the Who Shot Lucy) and i think they deserve the boosts,. I think it was well done personally. I remember watching half an episode last year and not believing how bad it was (this was during the time that Emmerdale was doing very well).
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