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Old 04-01-2017, 19:30
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It's almost as if the BBC are wanting it to do well and kill off a certain other programme.
They're not, but if they were, good for them.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:31
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I'm going to predict 7.1m for Let it Shine and 6.4m for The Voice.

I think Let it Shine will rise but I think The Voice will fall.
Yes, I agree. It will fall into the 5s then the 4s very quickly, but since it's a thread favourite it will still be lauded as 'decent' rather than dire, 'acceptable' rather than atrocious and 'passable' rather than pathetic.

I think that Let It Shine prediction is way too high but we'll see.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:32
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Regarding 'other channels' that are posted, do no shows on Sky 1/Living get into the top 10. I thought some of their shows get close to a million? Also where can these ratings got from?
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:34
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Regarding 'other channels' that are posted, do no shows on Sky 1/Living get into the top 10. I thought some of their shows get close to a million? Also where can these ratings got from?
I know Living sometimes gets posted here, and they are generally between 0.10m-0.30m so no, not very well.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:37
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Yes, I agree. It will fall into the 5s then the 4s very quickly, but since it's a thread favourite it will still be lauded as 'decent' rather than dire, 'acceptable' rather than atrocious and 'passable' rather than pathetic.

I think that Let It Shine prediction is way too high but we'll see.
Dan you've obviously got some sort of vendetta against The Voice, god knows why.

Where has the idea that the thread has a collective opinion come from?

Nothing on here is a "thread favourite".
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:41
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Dan you've obviously got some sort of vendetta against The Voice, god knows why.

Where has the idea that the thread has a collective opinion come from?

Nothing on here is a "thread favourite".
Actually the term "thread favourite" is thrown about quite a lot.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:42
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Yes, I agree. It will fall into the 5s then the 4s very quickly, but since it's a thread favourite it will still be lauded as 'decent' rather than dire, 'acceptable' rather than atrocious and 'passable' rather than pathetic.

I think that Let It Shine prediction is way too high but we'll see.
I don't think The Voice is a thread favourite. If it does end up consistently doing 4m I highly doubt it'll be called decent. Last year's figures of 5-6m certainly weren't.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:43
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Actually the term "thread favourite" is thrown about quite a lot.
I've never seen the term "thread favourite" used in the whole time I've been here...

What shows are supposedly "thread favourites" then?
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:43
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Yes, I agree. It will fall into the 5s then the 4s very quickly, but since it's a thread favourite it will still be lauded as 'decent' rather than dire, 'acceptable' rather than atrocious and 'passable' rather than pathetic.

I think that Let It Shine prediction is way too high but we'll see.
It won't be the thread favourite anymore. It was popular here as it was seen as the anti-Cowell show, giving him a bloody nose by watching it. Now it's on ITV it'll get the same reaction as The X Factor did by certain people.
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Old 04-01-2017, 19:48
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It won't be the thread favourite anymore. It was popular here as it was seen as the anti-Cowell show, giving him a bloody nose by watching it. Now it's on ITV it'll get the same reaction as The X Factor did by certain people.
To be honest, we were starting to see that last year anyway because the last series went out as we knew it was the last series on BBC One. Even though the idea itself that people will no longer want to watch The Voice because it has got adverts in is, on the face of it, a silly one, it turns out a lot of people will be doing just that having read the comments on this thread and elsewhere. Not that that will be the only reason. And I'm sure the opposite is also true. People have made their minds up without giving episode one a go to see if they really have turned it into The X Factor which I highly doubt. I don't see why ITV would want another X Factor-type show (in terms of tone).

When was the last time a show switching from BBC One to ITV was a success? The only one I can think of is Birds of a Feather and that's after 15 years away, when it returned with 9.5m - not that it sustained that figure.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:10
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Just found these from the Guardian/Observer archive I have access to, 35 years ago to the very week (well, yesterday). If this thread was around then, I'm sure people would've adored Crossroads

Top Twenty Most Watched Shows w/e 3 January 1982:
Coronation Street (Wed) - 16.92m, ITV (Granada)
Carry on Laughing - 16.49m, ITV
Coronation Street (Mon) - 15.22m, ITV (Granada)
Film: Close Encounters of the Third Kind - 14.78m, ITV*
Give Us a Clue - 14.34m, ITV (Thames)
London Night Out - 14.27m, ITV (Thames)
Hi-De-Hi! - 14.21m, BBC 1
Cannon and Ball - 13.97m, ITV (LWT)
The Krypton Factor International - 13.91m, ITV (Granada)
News at 5.45 (Fri) - 13.88m, ITV (ITN)
The Two Ronnies - 13.68m, BBC 1
Barbara Woodhouse Goes to Beverley Hills - 13.19m, ITV (Yorkshire)
Crossroads (Wed) - 13.17m, ITV (ATV)
Jim’ll Fix It - 13.08m, BBC 1
Dallas - 12.88m, BBC 1
The Gentle Touch - 12.79m, ITV (LWT)
Crossroads (Tue) - 12.55m, ITV (ATV)
Film: Carquake - 12.52m, ITV
3-2-1 - 12.51m, ITV (Yorkshire)
The Fall Guy - 12.36m, ITV

* Not shown in the TVS region
Thanks for the ratings Lewie. From an era when 12/13m was the norm rather than the exception.
Shows how utterly dominant ITV was in ratings terms - churning out some pretty dismal shows but getting monster ratings....
1981 to 1983 was a particularly bad period for the BBC iirc after the loss of headline acts and lack of creative scheduling- before Michael Grade took on the challenge.

That figure for Carry on Laughing is amazing, just a clip show. Whatever must have been the BBC opposition!
ITV were dominant then, they could put on any crap and get an audience. Partly because what was on BBC1 could be worse but also they had hits which they used to boost other shows. There was some good stuff on ITV then and also more hits across several genres. Light entertainment, quizzes, sitcom, drama and soap. It was during this period that Bill Cotton went to Michael Grade and begged him to become BBC1 Controller. They were kindred spirits in liking popular TV, Grade was also a master scheduler which was vital in turning BBC1's fortunes around.

Worth pointing that out, when people away say ITV would get better ratings if they showed "better programmes like in the old days"

Then you look and see those high rating programmes were stuff like Cannon and Ball, 321 etc. Anything along those lines would be sub 3m these days.
I'd take Cannon & Ball and 3-2-1 over most ITV entertainment offerings and filler factual these days. They dump all over them from a great height.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:10
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When was the last time a show switching from BBC One to ITV was a success? The only one I can think of is Birds of a Feather and that's after 15 years away, when it returned with 9.5m - not that it sustained that figure.
Obviously it depends on what the definition of success will be, I'm sure there will be some debates on that point.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:12
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Thanks for the old ratings!

I can't believe how popular Last of a Summer Wine was. I think it's one of the worst, least funny shows on UK TV, and that says a lot. I've forced myself to watch reruns recently. Maybe it's my age, I'm in my 20s, but I love all things 70s and 80s, films, TV and music... LOTSW though is certainly not one of them.
The Compo/Clegg/Foggy era of Last Of The Summer Wine is magnificent. I'll defend that period but no other.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:15
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The Compo/Clegg/Foggy era of Last Of The Summer Wine is magnificent. I'll defend that period but no other.
I would agree, it went down hill when Compo died, and then later when it became a pension top up for any actor of a certain age who could do a Yorkshire accent. Then Russ Abbott tuned up...

Of course it now exists again, with stereotype northern men and Nora Batty style northern women, just in the setting of a shop.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:25
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I would agree, it went down hill when Compo died, and then later when it became a pension top up for any actor of a certain age who could do a Yorkshire accent. Then Russ Abbott tuned up...

Of course it now exists again, with stereotype northern men and Nora Batty style northern women, just in the setting of a shop.
There was a golden period of Summer Wine when Brian Wilde joined and replaced Michael Bates who died. The chemistry between Wilde, Peter Sallis and Bill Owen was great as were the episodes during this time. When Wilde left a second time it just wasn't the same and got worse when Owen died and Sallis got so old that health & safety just had jumped him sitting around.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:26
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Re The Voice, it's never been a thread favourite. Go back to the thread archive from around May 2012 and after its first live shows when the ratings dropped by huge amounts. And also from 2013. People slated it.

I won't be watching it. Sick of these "singing shows" now, for me they all merge into one. Will see what Let it Shine is like, the amount of trailers I've seen for it is crazy.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:30
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Monday:

Final Score: 1.03m
Impossible: 1.1m (11.7%)
Antiques Road Trip: 2.59m
Pointless: 4.17m

Tipping Point: 2.85m
The Chase: 3.73m

Tuesday:

Father Brown: 1.94m
Impossible: 1.02m
Escape to the Country: 969k
Hairy Bikers: 1.25m
Antiques Road Trip: 2.12m
Pointless: 3.49m

Judge Rinder: 1.05m
Dickinson's Real Deal: 1.20m
Tipping Point: 2.58m (23.6%)
The Chase: 3.75m (24.6%)

Sources: cylon6, overnights.tv and rzt
I have one more for you. Monday's Father Brown was watched by 2.13m
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:36
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I think it's fair to say that Let it Shine is getting a bit of promotion.

Adverts in between every single programme by the look of it, plus radio adverts, and features on Breakfast.

It's almost as if the BBC are wanting it to do well and kill off a certain other programme.

I wonder if Channel 4 are looking on, as just wait until the BBC start promoting the show that will air against Bake Off. I expect Bake Off won't be mentioned again on the BBC until they report on the lower ratings, which will no doubt get a high profile spot on the Ten.
The Voice is on ITV now and is BBC1's Saturday night competition. Of course BBC1 want to beat The Voice. Not sure it will though.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:41
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Re The Voice, it's never been a thread favourite. Go back to the thread archive from around May 2012 and after its first live shows when the ratings dropped by huge amounts. And also from 2013. People slated it.

I won't be watching it. Sick of these "singing shows" now, for me they all merge into one. Will see what Let it Shine is like, the amount of trailers I've seen for it is crazy.
But Let It Shine is a singing show for the most part.

I've seen a lot of magazines really bigging up Let It Shine over TVUK. The latter used to feature quite heavily on the front covers when it started. Now its been pushed aside.

I think TVUK will launch around 6.5m. In there will be a mixture of viewers who will watch it regardless and those who are inquisitive. The loss of viewers who wach weekends on BBC1 for most of the year will be back on BBC1 with Let It Shine.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:45
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Let it Shine has had extensive promotion with the trailer, magazine covers, Facebook adverts, a launch event, interviews, a special BBC One sting, etc.

If it fails to deliver it certainly won't be through lack of promotion.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:45
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I have one more for you. Monday's Father Brown was watched by 2.13m
Thanks for that. If you can, could you ask around to find out the biggest official ratings for the daytime editions of The Chase and Pointless?
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:52
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That figure for Carry on Laughing is amazing, just a clip show. Whatever must have been the BBC opposition!
It was the premiere of Elvis - the Movie from 7.25 (New Year's Eve).
Carry on Laughing was at 7.30, between Give Us a Clue at 7.0 and London Night Out at 8.0.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:53
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2.13M and 1.94M for Father Brown is amazing for 1:45pm. Must be high 20% share.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:53
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Daytime series The Sheriffs Are Coming starts tonight on BBC1 at 8pm. Despite being pretty dull, I bet its over 4m.
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Old 04-01-2017, 20:56
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2.13M and 1.94M for Father Brown is amazing for 1:45pm. Must be high 20% share.
It probably around 23-25% shares.

BBC News at 1pm is often 2.5m-3.5m (30%) in January so its got a solid lead in to take advatage of.
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