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Funny that Dermot O'Leary is going from a Saturday night flop (The Getaway Car - still can't believe its run hasn't finished yet) to a Saturday night hit in the space of just over an hour.
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X Factor should be at about 7.5m with all the hype for the new series.
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Should be a busy couple of days on this thread with many wishing to give the opinion/spin on the ratings for
X Factor feature-length Casualty X Factor feature-length Victoria Are You Being Served? and Porridge. Suddenly mainstream TV becomes interesting (for the ratings watcher. Maybe the viewers too if they're lucky. )
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X Factor should be at about 7.5m with all the hype for the new series.
For the record, last year launched with 7.65m (38.6%) inc. +1 though that was against the lottery (2.61m/13.8%) with a non-hyped episode of Casualty (4.22m/20.7%) starting 45 minutes into the episode. Of course, the show saw a horrible decline for the Sunday episode, going down to 6.4m before bouncing back a degree the following Saturday, no doubt aided to a degree by the Strictly launch show. I called the Saturday figure 'awful' this time last year. I'd call it brilliant if it managed to hit it this time around! I think they'll expect a decline for the Saturday but hope it doesn't lose so many viewers between nights - last year the Sunday show was against Casualty (4.92m/22.8%) whereas this year it's facing Antiques Roadshow. It's sad going back through last year's thread - we had ten pages a day back then, even on the quieter days where The X Factor wasn't being read the death rights/Bake Off was soaring higher and higher.
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Could the huge drop last year between eps, highlight how few viewers like Nick Grimshaw?
Its just a hunch, but given how upopular the hiring of Nick Grimshaw was, surely a drop should have been expected? |
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Could the huge drop last year between eps, highlight how few viewers like Nick Grimshaw?
Its just a hunch, but given how upopular the hiring of Nick Grimshaw was, surely a drop should have been expected? |
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There was a big drop from Saturday to Sunday in 2014 too, when it went from 9.49m to 8.20m. So there could well be one this year. It probably depends on how the show tonight is received.
In 2013 it rose from Saturday to Sunday (9.20m to 9.94m). In that year the Sunday show had the same contestants as the Saturday show auditioning in the arena, so it felt like an extension of the Saturday show which may have helped. The saddest thing is that tonight stands no chance of getting anywhere near those figures, partly thanks to some poor decision making along the way. The awful schedule won't help either. Predictions: Go For It - 2.7m X Factor - 6.5m Bourne - 2.0m Pointless - 3.7m Casualty - 5.0m |
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Go For It is weird. I like the concept and it's good to see non-celebs on TV, but there doesn't really seem to be anything going on other than "Oh, you did it, here's a grand."
It'd be good if they got the audience involved somehow. Maybe getting them to vote for who thinks they'll do it and who won't, and those who guess correctly get a prize or something. What worked about "You Bet" was the celebrity panel betting on or against a contestant, so there was a bit of jeopardy involved. |
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Here's how The X Factor has launched since 2004 in overnights.
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2015 7.11m/7.65m (35.9%/38.6%) 2014 9.03m/9.50m (40.9%/43.1%) 2013 8.78m/9.20m (40.0%/42.1%) 2012 8.09m/8.71m (39.4%/42.3%) 2011 10.80m/11.30m (45.7%/47.9%) 2010 11.28m (48.6%) 2009 9.91m (47.9%) 2008 10.19m (48.2%) 2007 9.50m (45.0%) 2006 7.00m (37.0%) 2005 6.60m (40.0%) 2004 4.90m (28.2%) |
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It's a shock that ITV are running something as low-key as a Bourne repeat out of TXF - desperate scheduling in mid-summer you can excuse, but at the start of a new season it's far harder to forgive.
To think on this night 7 years ago - TXF launch night, albeit early August as opposed to late August - they launched The Cube to nearly 6m consolidated straight after. OK, so The Cube maybe didn't achieve what they hoped it might achieve from there, but it still went on to record 9 series, performing very well at times and winning a number of major awards along the way. Now the best ITV have to offer outside of a major launch is a 9 year old film repeat they screen a dozen or so times a year already across their portfolio. It's further evidence of what I was saying recently - only to be shot down - that ITV are increasingly a one trick channel, reliant on one or two key shows per night, with very little substance to the rest of the schedule. And that might have been okay back in 2009 when TXF was pulling in 12m and showing no signs of slowing down, but these days it's a very questionable strategy. The interesting one tonight, without a doubt, is the feature-length Casualty. Should go well, but how well is very hard to call I thought. |
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AYBS is a BBC Studios production so it wouldn't be able to go to ITV anyway
ITV make shows for other channels. Have the BBC never made things for others? |
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The interesting one tonight, without a doubt, is the feature-length Casualty. Should go well, but how well is very hard to call I thought.
Might do well on catch up though. Rather retro new credits and music too. NIce. |
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It's a shock that ITV are running something as low-key as a Bourne repeat out of TXF - desperate scheduling in mid-summer you can excuse, but at the start of a new season it's far harder to forgive.
To think on this night 7 years ago - TXF launch night, albeit early August as opposed to late August - they launched The Cube to nearly 6m consolidated straight after. OK, so The Cube maybe didn't achieve what they hoped it might achieve from there, but it still went on to record 9 series, performing very well at times and winning a number of major awards along the way. Now the best ITV have to offer outside of a major launch is a 9 year old film repeat they screen a dozen or so times a year already across their portfolio. It's further evidence of what I was saying recently - only to be shot down - that ITV are increasingly a one trick channel, reliant on one or two key shows per night, with very little substance to the rest of the schedule. And that might have been okay back in 2009 when TXF was pulling in 12m and showing no signs of slowing down, but these days it's a very questionable strategy. The interesting one tonight, without a doubt, is the feature-length Casualty. Should go well, but how well is very hard to call I thought. Jonathan Ross starts filming in a couple of weeks, so it looks like he'll be on after Newzoids from the 10th. |
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That was after Ronnie Barker retired, not after he died.
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It's a shock that ITV are running something as low-key as a Bourne repeat out of TXF - desperate scheduling in mid-summer you can excuse, but at the start of a new season it's far harder to forgive.
Now the best ITV have to offer outside of a major launch is a 9 year old film repeat they screen a dozen or so times a year already across their portfolio. It's further evidence of what I was saying recently - only to be shot down - that ITV are increasingly a one trick channel, reliant on one or two key shows per night, with very little substance to the rest of the schedule. |
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It's times like this I miss PJMillar who used to create detailed and logical schedules using upcoming shows. I really miss his posts.
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Now our Sporty summer has drawn to a close, here's the latest Year-To-Date shares for the terrestrials (with last years equivalent YTD figures in brackets):
BBC One: 22.13% (22.03%) UP 0.45% BBC Two: 5.93% (5.78%) UP 2.60% ITV: 15.16% (14.44%) UP 4.99% C4: 5.50% (5.65%) DOWN 2.65% C5: 3.81% (3.95%) DOWN 3.54% Figures include HD and +1 and are for w/c 15/08.16. Source: Broadcast No real surprises, what with Euros bolstering BBC and ITV and Olympics helping the BBC channels. What is interesting is that BBC ONE is only 0.45% up which I think is telling of a relatively poor Q2. We also never get detailed numbers for off peak slots but on the occasions we do Pointless looks to have fallen a tad and this probably the other late afternoon programmes as well which may also be a factor. I expect 10:45 doesn't rate as well as it once did as well as it doesn't see as much new content plus airs 10 mins later than it used to. BBC2 up presumably due to the Olympics and various strong 9pm offerings throughout the year. Poor for Channel 4 who have overdosed on their hits and are still down, also poor for Channel 5 which is not making up any ground on Channel 4 despite the analysed period featuring 3 runs of Big Brother. Quote:
I agree, it's shocking. At least it's only for one week with Newzoids starting next week but even so. I can see the idea behind staggering the launches but they could have done something better. I'd have put next week's Carpenters one off there I think.
Jonathan Ross starts filming in a couple of weeks, so it looks like he'll be on after Newzoids from the 10th. Otherwise Norton may get them on but its debatable if he'd even ask for them, as he seems to mostly go for 'Hollywood A listers' (often from the same film), and a British comedian sat on the end who barely gets a word in. |
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I honestly wish I watched X Factor, Casualty was very disappointing. And to to see the 'aftermath', I've got to watch a show I don't even usually watch (Holby City).
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Here's how The X Factor has launched since 2004 in overnights.
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2015 7.11m/7.65m (35.9%/38.6%) 2014 9.03m/9.50m (40.9%/43.1%) 2013 8.78m/9.20m (40.0%/42.1%) 2012 8.09m/8.71m (39.4%/42.3%) 2011 10.80m/11.30m (45.7%/47.9%) 2010 11.28m (48.6%) 2009 9.91m (47.9%) 2008 10.19m (48.2%) 2007 9.50m (45.0%) 2006 7.00m (37.0%) 2005 6.60m (40.0%) 2004 4.90m (28.2%) |
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Well the series average probably will be lower than last year. That's the trend. But if it can get relatively close then it's a result they'll happily take I imagine. Kevin Lygo made it very clear he's got no desire to axe it and also said he wishes Dancing on Ice hadn't ended, so it's safe to say that unless it completely collapses it'll be back. You'd hope they'd avoid another revamp though.
The trick is to keep the show steady now. They're never going to return to the days of 2010, they simply have to stop the year-on-year comparisons looking so awful. |
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Casualty entered the realms of fantasy. How would anyone survive a car crash like the one Connie was in? And then to survive a helicopter landing in the hospital you were being treated in? The stretch of an imagination is one thing, but tonight my imagination had to be on the end of a very long rubber band!
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One thing to take into account going forward - the pace of the posts dropped off as the show went on, from over 600 for the first 45 minutes to less than 500 for the second 45. More ads or were people drifting away? I think the second half of the show was stronger than the first... have they potentially blundered again production wise? |
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I don't think they have any revamps left in them - just bringing Cheryl and Dannii in for Sharon and Nicole if need be, perhaps?
The trick is to keep the show steady now. They're never going to return to the days of 2010, they simply have to stop the year-on-year comparisons looking so awful. Quote:
I think ITV will be delighted if the show comes in up year-on-year with increased competition and the disaster of some of the figures last year.
One thing to take into account going forward - the pace of the posts dropped off as the show went on, from over 600 for the first 45 minutes to less than 500 for the second 45. More ads or were people drifting away? I think the second half of the show was stronger than the first... have they potentially blundered again production wise? I thought it was a really good launch show. It certainly deserves better retention tomorrow than last year. I don't expect much from tonight though. |
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I expect about 5 million. Won't beat X Factor, of course. So - good - but an August bank holiday weekend is not the best time for a landmark episode.
Might do well on catch up though. Rather retro new credits and music too. NIce. 6m for Casualty 6.5m for XF? |
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Sharon and Nicole are far better than Cheryl and Dannii, so that wouldn't help. They need to keep it steady and if they can't with this panel then clearly the panel isn't the issue.
The only thing The X Factor and Casualty have on their side is the weather appears to have been awful across parts of the country which may have kept people indoors, even on holiday. |
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