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Old 28-08-2016, 10:09
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This from Steve Williams.

From Broadcast... Pointless 3.82m, Casualty 5.13m, MOTD 3.02m, Dad's Army 1.42m, Go For It 2.19m -HD, X Factor 5.02m MINUS HD
Bourne 1.83m -HD, Last Vegas 930k, Cricket on 5 580k, The Championship 570k, Beck 440k, Xtra Factor 770k
Poor for Go For It. Will probably be around 2.7-3.0m all in, which is no better than Catchphrase has been doing and that didn't have X Factor on after it. Pointless beat it comfortably. It can't do X Factor much good to always have such weak lead-ins.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:11
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X Factor did as well as anyone could have reasonably expected at this point. Solid but unspectacular. Interesting that the spinoff show performed well on Rylan's debut, perhaps ITV could look to sign him up on some kind of golden handcuffs deal?

Good for Casualty albeit at the lower end of expectations. ITV meanwhile continued its usual terrible numbers outside of last night's (one) dependable.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:12
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The lower TXF numbers for last night should give ITV some room for negotiation over price for the next contract renewal. If the trend continues tonight as per the last couple of years, ITV may be able to bring TXF in at a lower cost per series.

A show bringing in between 6 and 7 million a night is still a good thing to have - especially if it is cheaper.
Though if they call Cowell's bluff and he decides to play them at their own game what do they have to replace it? Despite sliding backwards The X Factor is still ITV's jewel in the crown bridging the end of summer to Christmas. Still nothing comes close to it in terms of ratings or demos outside the three week run of I'm A Celebrity and, if they have a decent autumn, the soaps. They have high hopes for Victoria and Cold Feet but they both cover less hours for more expense.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:14
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So you as expected started your annual four months on here slagging off anything on ITV and praising to the hilt anything on BBC.
Where's that pot and kettle gone
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:14
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That rating is still ok for TXF really. The days of it being the biggest show on TV are long gone. ITV have accepted that and are clearly still happy to have a show which brings in good ratings (7 million is nothing to be sniffed at) every weekend. Can this be the year where the OTT reactions on this forum with regards to TXF finally stop? The show is declining. It has been for years. There is no surprise it is down again after last year's mess. The best they could possibly hope for is to stabilise it at this level or a slightly higher one if this series is received well.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:16
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Poor for Go For It. Will probably be around 2.7-3.0m all in, which is no better than Catchphrase has been doing and that didn't have X Factor on after it. Pointless beat it comfortably. It can't do X Factor much good to always have such weak lead-ins.
What did the audition shows used to have as a lead in in their pomp? TV Burp was around, of course, but I think that tended to air during the live show phase. I can't help but think that they've had to self start for a while.

Ellie Simmonds: Swimming with Dolphins is an interesting show to precede The X Factor tonight. It may do reasonably well but it is up against Countryfile.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:16
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ITV really should have started Ninja Warrior UK last night a 7pm. What is the point is giving TXF such poor lead in's?

Is it any wonder TXF ratings keep dropping. ITV's surrounding shows keep getting worse.

Not bad for Casualty.

James in reference to your post. I'm not hard to please honestly. I haven't watched Casualty yet, but I was planning too. But since I don't ever watch it, I was hoping to hear great praise for last night's ep to encourage me to watch it. But since its been critisised, I don't see the point in watching something that's not that good and wasting my time watching it.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:16
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Not a terrible start for The Xtra Factor and it did feel fresh... to those who don't watch Bit on The Side anyway!

The difference between 2006 and 2016 is the former saw a 1.8m year-on-year. Last night saw a 0.9m decline on what was an awful figure to start with. To put it into context, it's list nearly 3m viewers in two years.
Xtra Factor was comfortably up on last year (which got 542k) so they'll be pleased with that.

The 2006 launch was up 0.4m - not that much. I agree it's way down although that 2014 launch was particularly high (Cowell and Cole's return) so isn't a great point of reference as the rest of the series didn't live up to it. The rest of this one might not live up to last night either but it's too early to say.

Of course, in the consolidated numbers last night will be way higher than 2006's 7.45m.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:19
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That rating is still ok for TXF really. The days of it being the biggest show on TV are long gone. ITV have accepted that and are clearly still happy to have a show which brings in good ratings (7 million is nothing to be sniffed at) every weekend. Can this be the year where the OTT reactions on this forum with regards to TXF finally stop? The show is declining. It has been for years. There is no surprise it is down again after last year's mess. The best they could possibly hope for is to stabilise it at this level or a slightly higher one if this series is received well.
I think thats it. Its no longer a bit hitter so its par for the course I would say.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:19
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Not the best performance for X Factor but with a weakened brand, poor lead in/out and tougher competition than usual, it seems an OK figure, if not just on the wrong side of 7m. What is encouraging is that it was received well and Xtra Factor did well so it's clear viewers enjoyed it. That should mean a greater retention than usual for the Sunday ep, if not bucking the trend of the last two years and rising.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:21
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Xtra Factor was comfortably up on last year (which got 542k) so they'll be pleased with that.

The 2006 launch was up 0.4m - not that much. I agree it's way down although that 2014 launch was particularly high (Cowell and Cole's return) so isn't a great point of reference as the rest of the series didn't live up to it. The rest of this one might not live up to last night either but it's too early to say.

Of course, in the consolidated numbers last night will be way higher than 2006's 7.45m.
Oops I was looking at the 2005 launch figure.

The 2014 launch figure wasn't particularly high really - it was only 300k up on 2013 which had the feel of a holding series waiting for Simon and Cheryl to return. There was a bigger increase between 2012 and 2013 (0.5m) when Sharon was the sole returnee.

The Xtra Factor seems to have pulled in a sample audience which is something to work with. I sense both it and Newzoids might skew young next week so that'll be an interesting battle. It and Victoria airing together seems more 'complimentary'.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:25
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ITV really should have started Ninja Warrior UK last night a 7pm. What is the point is giving TXF such poor lead in's?

Is it any wonder TXF ratings keep dropping. ITV's surrounding shows keep getting worse.

Not bad for Casualty.

James in reference to your post. I'm not hard to please honestly. I haven't watched Casualty yet, but I was planning too. But since I don't ever watch it, I was hoping to hear great praise for last night's ep to encourage me to watch it. But since its been critisised, I don't see the point in watching something that's not that good and wasting my time watching it.
Because they're trying to find new hits so they don't rely on the same shows. You said it was silly when they first had Ninja Warrior leading into BGT, saying BGT deserved better but when Ninja Warrior performed well, you changed your tune. If ITV hadn't taken that risk, they wouldn't have even had a good performer to service your suggestion.

I'm sure ITV wanted Go For It to do well, so they gave it a go. Who knows, next week it might rise.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:25
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Oops I was looking at the 2005 launch figure.

The 2014 launch figure wasn't particularly high really - it was only 300k up on 2013 which had the feel of a holding series waiting for Simon and Cheryl to return. There was a bigger increase between 2012 and 2013 (0.5m) when Sharon was the sole returnee.

The Xtra Factor seems to have pulled in a sample audience which is something to work with. I sense both it and Newzoids might skew young next week so that'll be an interesting battle. It and Victoria airing together seems more 'complimentary'.
The 2014 launch was particularly high in that it was over 500k ahead of any other overnight that series except the final and it was even slightly ahead of the final. Don't think the launch of any other series has been that far ahead of the rest.

Xtra Factor might be dented by Newzoids slightly but they should reach different young crowds. I agree the Sunday scheduling is more complementary but I can't see Newzoids doing much anyway.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:30
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Not the best performance for X Factor but with a weakened brand, poor lead in/out and tougher competition than usual, it seems an OK figure, if not just on the wrong side of 7m. What is encouraging is that it was received well and Xtra Factor did well so it's clear viewers enjoyed it. That should mean a greater retention than usual for the Sunday ep, if not bucking the trend of the last two years and rising.
That's a fair and accurate summing up.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:31
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Not the best performance for X Factor but with a weakened brand, poor lead in/out and tougher competition than usual, it seems an OK figure, if not just on the wrong side of 7m. What is encouraging is that it was received well and Xtra Factor did well so it's clear viewers enjoyed it. That should mean a greater retention than usual for the Sunday ep, if not bucking the trend of the last two years and rising.
The key is to keep the quality going. They seem to produce one or two good shows followed by a poor one and people's patience seems very thin when it comes to The X Factor now.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:37
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Because they're trying to find new hits so they don't rely on the same shows. You said it was silly when they first had Ninja Warrior leading into BGT, saying BGT deserved better but when Ninja Warrior performed well, you changed your tune. If ITV hadn't taken that risk, they wouldn't have even had a good performer to service your suggestion.

I'm sure ITV wanted Go For It to do well, so they gave it a go. Who knows, next week it might rise.
Couldn't have put it better myself. In H's world you shouldn't try new programmes next to existing hit shows as it may provide a poor lead in, and shouldn't schedule them away from existing hit shows either as it means they are floundering on their own and never going to be a success.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:50
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Slightly disappointed by Casualtys figure, I watched it for the first time in about 10 years and thought it was really good. I loved the video messages from old characters and thought the stunt was really well done.

A bit meh for xfactor. However I've caught up with the episode and must say it's the best episode I remember for a long time. There seemed to be a really feelgood and fun factor among the judges which has been sorely missing. My only complaint was the relentless sob stories - dead siblings, being bullied etc. I can't believe the producers still persist with this angle, as I think it irritates a good portion of the audience. That aside, it has made me want to watch tonight.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:51
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The key is to keep the quality going. They seem to produce one or two good shows followed by a poor one and people's patience seems very thin when it comes to The X Factor now.
If a special Casualty wasn't on X Factor would arguably have been over 7m. I doubt ratings will tumble over the coming weeks.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:52
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Couldn't have put it better myself. In H's world you shouldn't try new programmes next to existing hit shows as it may provide a poor lead in, and shouldn't schedule them away from existing hit shows either as it means they are floundering on their own and never going to be a success.
It's hilarious.

"ITV need to innovate more!"
"ITV shouldn't be risking new shows as lead-ins!"
"ITV need to stop relying on some shows too much!"
"ITV shouldn't be wasting money on new formats!"
"Corrie is in crisis, get a new producer!"
"This new producer isn't working quick enough, it's been TWO WEEKS and nothing has changed!"

Surely he sees the ridiculousness?
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:55
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So you watched it and thought it was feeble?

I thought it was superb, actually. Very pacy, well written and acted, and that helicopter stunt was one of the best I've seen on UK TV ever. The score by the BBC National Orchestra was beautiful. All the past characters popping up via video messages cut through the action was a great touch. It was very beautifully shot, the production values were in another league to anything I've seen in Casualty years back. In fact I'd say they far surpass any other serial drama in the modern age.

It had political references in the script, tons of emotion, fantastic action and spectacle, and I had my heart in my mouth more or less throughout - and I say all that as a non regular viewer of the programme who doesn't know most of the current cast. The script constantly lead me up paths and made me think I knew what was coming, then threw me off. It was a terrific ensemble piece and the teams should be proud, without a shred of CGI in sight that stunt was something to behold. Proper jaw dropper when the blades chopped up those unfortunate extras.

You seem hard to please H. Always harking on about why this show and that show is not what you want, but it strikes me very little pleases you nowadays, and you don't want that to change.
I am big fan of casualty the stunt was good best ever I think that pushing it. The episode for me started well however I don't think it maintained pace the cut to the videos and the whole fawning over Charlie got a bit tedious for me it like they tried to compete with x factor so stretched the episode out.
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Old 28-08-2016, 10:58
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If a special Casualty wasn't on X Factor would arguably have been over 7m. I doubt ratings will tumble over the coming weeks.
I agree.

If ITV have complimentary scheduling with Strictly without any silly clashes, TXF could keep a stable 7 million each week.

Personally I would have Newzoids starting before TXF. Tone down any post watershed language, and add a parody of TXF each week - just like Harry Hill used to do. It would keep Newzoids out of a clash between it and The Extra Factor, and be a great warm up to TXF.
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Old 28-08-2016, 11:02
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I agree.

If ITV have complimentary scheduling with Strictly without any silly clashes, TXF could keep a stable 7 million each week.

Personally I would have Newzoids starting before TXF. Tone down any post watershed language, and add a parody of TXF each week - just like Harry Hill used to do. It would keep Newzoids out of a clash between it and The Extra Factor, and be a great warm up to TXF.
The problem is to avoid clashes with Strictly they'd have to start The X Factor at 8.30pm each week, meaning a finishing time of 10.30pm at the earliest which is far too late for a family show. Of course they should avoid Friday shows like the plague this year!
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Old 28-08-2016, 11:02
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Strictly will clearly beat TXF next week
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Old 28-08-2016, 11:07
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Strictly will clearly beat TXF next week
In other news, the sun will rise tomorrow.
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Old 28-08-2016, 11:08
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The lower TXF numbers for last night should give ITV some room for negotiation over price for the next contract renewal. If the trend continues tonight as per the last couple of years, ITV may be able to bring TXF in at a lower cost per series.

A show bringing in between 6 and 7 million a night is still a good thing to have - especially if it is cheaper.
It's already been renewed recently and probably already at a cheaper price.

Like you say not many shows get 6 or 7 million viewers on commercial TV and with decent demos
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