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The Tennis Thread (Part 31)
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tartan-belle
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by planets:
“oooo even Todd Woodbridge has joined in now!”

such a great answer!

oh, here are the US players. https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/st...89573572378624
Jenzen
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“
ETA: Oh, Milos ”

Eh Milos you have something growing on your face... get it offff!

I do love beardy men but moustaches are a big no no. If your name is not Magnum PI just dont.
tartan-belle
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jenzen:
“Eh Milos you have something growing on your face... get it offff!

I do love beardy men but moustaches are a big no no. If your name is not Magnum PI just dont. ”

yeah, beards are bearable, taches less so...Anyway, would you guys and fellow tennis followers believe it, it's raining in Cincy so play is off. Just as well they have that roof at the USO, I'm guessing they can use it - it works?

Andy and Rafa left at 3am for Cincy
striing
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“Andy and Rafa left at 3am for Cincy ”

Can't they pull out and take a fine?
Jenny1986
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“Can't they pull out and take a fine?”

Well Rafa says his wrist hurts when he hits his serve, forehand and backhand.... so everything thing Rafa?!

And yet he is going to Cinci, I despair. He has an excuse, he must be fed up of not playing.

Andy could easily make something up, fatigue or something.
tartan-belle
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jenny1986:
“Well Rafa says his wrist hurts when he hits his serve, forehand and backhand.... so everything thing Rafa?!

And yet he is going to Cinci, I despair. He has an excuse, he must be fed up of not playing.

Andy could easily make something up, fatigue or something.”

cut himself shaving, perhaps?
Jem19876
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“I have to disagree on this. Murray called it right. Who are the multiple male double gold winners?.”

Nothing wrong with what Murray said. If he was less tired, and less humble, he'd have taken the compliment as intended, and realised he had done something unique. But Murray is humble, and literal, so knew that the Williams sisters defended their doubles title.

However, most of the reports do not reflect Inverdale's comments, or Murray's reply accurately. Most have condensed Inverdale's comments along the lines of him saying that Murray was the first tennis player to win two golds, with Murray "slapping him down" to say that the Williams sisters have four. That is not what happened, but that hasn't stopped lazy 'journalists' copying and embellishing the story further. Inverdale forgot to clarify his statement in the heat of the moment on live tv after a huge event and many hours on air. The ones mis-reporting him have had the opportunity to fact-check. Inverdale made a mistake trying to be nice. The nay-sayers are getting it wrong while complaining about his incompetence and thinking they are superior.

Rafa has two gold medals. As do other men. If anyone is offended because they think Inverdale claimed Murray was the first person to win two tennis golds, then why not be offended on behalf of the men too?

It's an unfortunate artefect of modern society that it's easier and more satisfying to be publicly outraged at something you heard third hand, than to recognise the very real, but highly unusual achievement of a great athlete. It doesn't reflect well on us that people being disgusted at Inverdale has got more online coverage than Murray's win. People really do love to hate. What's worse is that people are so self-righteous about it.

I'm not surprised. On these boards, although I forget which thread, I saw a poster giving out the BBC contact details, encouraging people to request Inverdale is removed. He hadn't done anything at this time. Not even an inflated drama. This poster just wants to campaign for someone to be sacked because they don't like him. There's something weird about the internet that people think that bullying and nastiness is a virtue.
Jenny1986
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“cut himself shaving, perhaps? ”

Maybe he got hit on the head with a blunderbuss in the library by Professor Plumb.
striing
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jem19876:
“Nothing wrong with what Murray said. If he was less tired, and less humble, he'd have taken the compliment as intended, and realised he had done something unique. But Murray is humble, and literal, so knew that the Williams sisters defended their doubles title.

However, most of the reports do not reflect Inverdale's comments, or Murray's reply accurately. Most have condensed Inverdale's comments along the lines of him saying that Murray was the first tennis player to win two golds, with Murray "slapping him down" to say that the Williams sisters have four. That is not what happened, but that hasn't stopped lazy 'journalists' copying and embellishing the story further. Inverdale forgot to clarify his statement in the heat of the moment on live tv after a huge event and many hours on air. The ones mis-reporting him have had the opportunity to fact-check. Inverdale made a mistake trying to be nice. The nay-sayers are getting it wrong while complaining about his incompetence and thinking they are superior.

Rafa has two gold medals. As do other men. If anyone is offended because they think Inverdale claimed Murray was the first person to win two tennis golds, then why not be offended on behalf of the men too?

It's an unfortunate artefect of modern society that it's easier and more satisfying to be publicly outraged at something you heard third hand, than to recognise the very real, but highly unusual achievement of a great athlete. It doesn't reflect well on us that people being disgusted at Inverdale has got more online coverage than Murray's win. People really do love to hate.”

Aren't you overplaying this? Inverdale said something that was factually inaccurate, yes probably a slip but he is a very well paid leading journalist so shouldn't really be making slips. Journalists have to take responsibility for the way that women's sport is portrayed. Having said that Murray responded with a correct point about about Venus and Serena and also clarified that his was the first defence of a singles title. Nothing wrong in that.
Jenny1986
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“Aren't you overplaying this? Inverdale said something that was factually inaccurate, yes probably a slip but he is a very well paid leading journalist so shouldn't really be making slips. Journalists have to take responsibility for the way that women's sport is portrayed. Having said that Murray responded with a correct point about about Venus and Serena and also clarified that his was the first defence of a singles title. Nothing wrong in that.”

Yeah, if this was Inverdale's first slip up I don't think anyone would be too fussed. But he has form doesn't he? His interactions with Steve Redgrave has become a bit of a story, so this is just another layer to that for the newspapers. I feel a bit bad for Inverdale, he can't do anything right at the moment can he?
striing
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jenny1986:
“Yeah, if this was Inverdale's first slip up I don't think anyone would be too fussed. But he has form doesn't he? His interactions with Steve Redgrave has become a bit of a story, so this is just another layer to that for the newspapers. I feel a bit bad for Inverdale, he can't do anything right at the moment can he?”

Frankly right now I'm sick of seeing Balding on everything. She was good presenting the swimming in 2012 but now the BBC seem to think she has to do everything in sight (for a hefty fee if last week's reports are to be believed).

I'd rather they just give Inverdale some diversity training (or whatever it is he needs to stop making daft comments) and his Wimbledon job back.

I didn't watch the rowing so didn't see him with Redgrave but by the sounds of it Redgrave managed to get in the way with Jill Douglas as well so it's not all one sided.
bluesdiamond
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“yeah, beards are bearable, taches less so...Anyway, would you guys and fellow tennis followers believe it, it's raining in Cincy so play is off. Just as well they have that roof at the USO, I'm guessing they can use it - it works?

Andy and Rafa left at 3am for Cincy ”

56 Draw event I believe. They will be 2nd Rd. 32 start Wednesday,.
Next week with US Open coming up. Tournaments?
Training?
Medusa duties?

Suspect they are used to overnight flights.
anyonefortennis
15-08-2016
Is Lauras medal decided tonight?
Jem19876
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“Aren't you overplaying this? Inverdale said something that was factually inaccurate, yes probably a slip but he is a very well paid leading journalist so shouldn't really be making slips. Journalists have to take responsibility for the way that women's sport is portrayed. Having said that Murray responded with a correct point about about Venus and Serena and also clarified that his was the first defence of a singles title. Nothing wrong in that.”

If it was just as you summarised, it would be fine. I'm talking about the gross mis-representation of what happened, with an opportunistic, and callous over-reaction on social media and across many online news sites by many who could easily have checked what happened and tempered their comments.

What Inverdale said had nothing to do with how women's sports are portrayed. It was everything to do with how singles and doubles are portrayed. Whatever Inverdale may have done to wind people up in the past, it's no excuse to make stuff up about him now. It's poor reporting, and reveals a less flattering side in people who relish the opportunity to judge someone else's short-comings.

The point was that Murray has done something no man or woman has done before. I'm sure Venus and Serena would happily acknowledge that fact too.

There is a lot of sexism in sports reporting, but click-bait mis-reporting is not the solution. They are the ones over-playing it, and IMO, it's counter-productive.

Beyond gender issues, I suggest people read "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson which goes into much more detail about how destructive this sort of scenario is. A lot of people think their individual contribution is irrelevant, or even virtuous, but when added together, it becomes a monster.

I understand that people who know little about tennis will be easily fooled into thinking it was about total number of titles, but do any tennis fans who have been following the coverage of what Murray (or Nadal) might have achieved, actually think that Inverdale was trying to write women out of tennis history?
Jenny1986
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“Frankly right now I'm sick of seeing Balding on everything. She was good presenting the swimming in 2012 but now the BBC seem to think she has to do everything in sight (for a hefty fee if last week's reports are to be believed).

I'd rather they just give Inverdale some diversity training (or whatever it is he needs to stop making daft comments) and his Wimbledon job back. ”

Originally Posted by striing:
“I didn't watch the rowing so didn't see him with Redgrave but by the sounds of it Redgrave managed to get in the way with Jill Douglas as well so it's not all one sided.”

bib: Yes I think that would be a good idea.

Re: The Inverdale/Redgrave thing, it's been made out to be bigger than it was, but I saw it and i'm firmly on Redgrave's side on this one. Inverdale grabbed the New Zealand rower who had just won Gold, and Redgrave was having non of it, he said the Kiwi's should get to interview him first and sent the rower away. It was fair awkward.

I didn't see the other incident where Inverdale said something daft and Redgrave 'stormed off' and wasn't seen again all day. Not sure what happened there.

With Jill Douglas that was just weird, she was interviewing Bradley Wiggins and he saw Steve so went to hug him, then she was trying to shoo Steve away when he was only reciprocating Wiggins. I don't know what went on there really.

Just people getting a bit carried away really.

Edit: I cannot work out why your post is in two quotes, i'm properly puzzled.
anyonefortennis
15-08-2016
There's a forest fire raging behind the BMX centre where the hockey is playing.
tartan-belle
15-08-2016
Serena is out of Cincy. Shoulder.

Well, who saw that coming?
tartan-belle
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by striing:
“Frankly right now I'm sick of seeing Balding on everything. She was good presenting the swimming in 2012 but now the BBC seem to think she has to do everything in sight (for a hefty fee if last week's reports are to be believed).

I'd rather they just give Inverdale some diversity training (or whatever it is he needs to stop making daft comments) and his Wimbledon job back.

I didn't watch the rowing so didn't see him with Redgrave but by the sounds of it Redgrave managed to get in the way with Jill Douglas as well so it's not all one sided.”

Clare cut the lovely Chris off

She really isn't right for the tennis.
Lisa.B
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jem19876:
“Nothing wrong with what Murray said. If he was less tired, and less humble, he'd have taken the compliment as intended, and realised he had done something unique. But Murray is humble, and literal, so knew that the Williams sisters defended their doubles title.

However, most of the reports do not reflect Inverdale's comments, or Murray's reply accurately. Most have condensed Inverdale's comments along the lines of him saying that Murray was the first tennis player to win two golds, with Murray "slapping him down" to say that the Williams sisters have four. That is not what happened, but that hasn't stopped lazy 'journalists' copying and embellishing the story further. Inverdale forgot to clarify his statement in the heat of the moment on live tv after a huge event and many hours on air. The ones mis-reporting him have had the opportunity to fact-check. Inverdale made a mistake trying to be nice. The nay-sayers are getting it wrong while complaining about his incompetence and thinking they are superior.

Rafa has two gold medals. As do other men. If anyone is offended because they think Inverdale claimed Murray was the first person to win two tennis golds, then why not be offended on behalf of the men too?

It's an unfortunate artefect of modern society that it's easier and more satisfying to be publicly outraged at something you heard third hand, than to recognise the very real, but highly unusual achievement of a great athlete. It doesn't reflect well on us that people being disgusted at Inverdale has got more online coverage than Murray's win. People really do love to hate. What's worse is that people are so self-righteous about it.

I'm not surprised. On these boards, although I forget which thread, I saw a poster giving out the BBC contact details, encouraging people to request Inverdale is removed. He hadn't done anything at this time. Not even an inflated drama. This poster just wants to campaign for someone to be sacked because they don't like him. There's something weird about the internet that people think that bullying and nastiness is a virtue.”

I watched it live first hand. Murray corrected a factually incorrect statement. Inverdrivel is clueless, can't even tell the difference between games and matches and does a lot of talking without actually saying anything of relevance.

It's no wonder when he's in the commentary box or presenting, he's continually put in his place by people that have the thankless task of having to put up with him. He's lucky Steve Redgrave hasn't left him at the bottom of the Lagoa rowing lake.
Jenny1986
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“Serena is out of Cincy. Shoulder.

Well, who saw that coming? ”

Oooh, the number 1 ranking is up for grabs then. It's too bad it's due to injury though, I think that's the only reason Serena was intending to play.
planets
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jem19876:
“If it was just as you summarised, it would be fine. I'm talking about the gross mis-representation of what happened, with an opportunistic, and callous over-reaction on social media and across many online news sites by many who could easily have checked what happened and tempered their comments.

What Inverdale said had nothing to do with how women's sports are portrayed. It was everything to do with how singles and doubles are portrayed. Whatever Inverdale may have done to wind people up in the past, it's no excuse to make stuff up about him now. It's poor reporting, and reveals a less flattering side in people who relish the opportunity to judge someone else's short-comings.

The point was that Murray has done something no man or woman has done before. I'm sure Venus and Serena would happily acknowledge that fact too.

There is a lot of sexism in sports reporting, but click-bait mis-reporting is not the solution. They are the ones over-playing it, and IMO, it's counter-productive.

Beyond gender issues, I suggest people read "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson which goes into much more detail about how destructive this sort of scenario is. A lot of people think their individual contribution is irrelevant, or even virtuous, but when added together, it becomes a monster.

I understand that people who know little about tennis will be easily fooled into thinking it was about total number of titles, but do any tennis fans who have been following the coverage of what Murray (or Nadal) might have achieved, actually think that Inverdale was trying to write women out of tennis history?”

A lot of it is WUMs and trolls fanning the flames of faux outrage; as you said earlier people like to bathe in their self righteous glow and when they can combine the two it's orgasmic. A quick look at the stupid posts regarding Mark Cavendish in the daily Rio thread by the same people who are also OUTRAGED by the DISGUSTING behaviour and apparently know more than an 11 time world champion and 6 time olympic gold medallist. It's the same sort of people doing it on a wider stage.

Other commentators and even news readers used the same phrasing and no one is calling for their heads.
tartan-belle
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jenny1986:
“Oooh, the number 1 ranking is up for grabs then. It's too bad it's due to injury though, I think that's the only reason Serena was intending to play.”

Angie might be knackered too though to go deep. Doesn't she need to win it to be no 1?
Jenny1986
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“Angie might be knackered too though to go deep. Doesn't she need to win it to be no 1?”

I'll be honest Tartan I have no idea, I don't understand ranking points week to week.

If Kerbs needs to win then I think it's safe. She looked done in as well in the final.
Lisa.B
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“Angie might be knackered too though to go deep. Doesn't she need to win it to be no 1?”

Yep Kerber has to win Cincy to take the #1 ranking. That was the only reason Serena took a WC, but the shoulder is genuine you could tell during her match with Svitolina. Clearly she's hoping for a post-Olympic comedown for Kerber, because Serena only needs a few more weeks to take Steffi's most consecutive weeks record.
striing
15-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jem19876:
“If it was just as you summarised, it would be fine. I'm talking about the gross mis-representation of what happened, with an opportunistic, and callous over-reaction on social media and across many online news sites by many who could easily have checked what happened and tempered their comments.

What Inverdale said had nothing to do with how women's sports are portrayed. It was everything to do with how singles and doubles are portrayed. Whatever Inverdale may have done to wind people up in the past, it's no excuse to make stuff up about him now. It's poor reporting, and reveals a less flattering side in people who relish the opportunity to judge someone else's short-comings.

The point was that Murray has done something no man or woman has done before. I'm sure Venus and Serena would happily acknowledge that fact too.

There is a lot of sexism in sports reporting, but click-bait mis-reporting is not the solution. They are the ones over-playing it, and IMO, it's counter-productive.

Beyond gender issues, I suggest people read "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson which goes into much more detail about how destructive this sort of scenario is. A lot of people think their individual contribution is irrelevant, or even virtuous, but when added together, it becomes a monster.

I understand that people who know little about tennis will be easily fooled into thinking it was about total number of titles, but do any tennis fans who have been following the coverage of what Murray (or Nadal) might have achieved, actually think that Inverdale was trying to write women out of tennis history?”

Aren't you playing into this by writing lenghty posts on a forum that wasn't talking about the topic?
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