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The Tennis Thread (Part 31)
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Lisa.B
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by tartan-belle:
“The 1 medal target suggests Andy. The 2 medal target...also suggests Andy (in the doubles).

If Novak had gotten through Delpo and reached the final you'd be saying the same thing, only with the caveat that Novak had an injury or whatever. As everyone says, you can only beat who is in front of you, you can't magic top players out of thin air - half of the top didn't even play due to lame excuses and/or injuries. Everyone played as good as they got because it was for their country. Also, Andy didn't play his best throughout the tourney. Any Andy fan could see that.”

Good point. 9 of the top 20 were absent, so that didn't help the draw/seedings. As well as the fact that they also have to make sure no two players from the same country are in the same quarter of the draw.
Irishguy123
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Lisa.B:
“Good point. 9 of the top 20 were absent, so that didn't help the draw/seedings. As well as the fact that they also have to make sure no two players from the same country are in the same quarter of the draw.”

I've never really understood the mentality either for your slam wins to be valid that you have to beat either one or more of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic. I mean, fair enough if you get a Bartoli-style draw to win a slam, but Andy is clearly good enough to win slams and if he'd played in an even slightly weaker era he'd probably have doubled his current slam count. I think the fact that he's beaten Djokovic in two slam finals and Federer in an Olympic final and still people tried to take those wins away from him proves that nothing will ever be enough when it comes to Andy. Even if he had beaten Djokovic people would say he only won cause of Djokovic's apparent wrist injury. Even if Andy gets to world #1 and say he started to dominate, it would then be said that he's only doing so because the field is getting weaker. As a fan it's incredibly frustrating, he never gets the credit he deserves, in fact he never gets anywhere close to it. I think he'll only be appreciated when he actually retires, and people will realise what an incredible player he was.
Mike Teevee
17-08-2016
I think it's raining at Cincy MS

Dunno if this is good news or bad news for those who played at Olympics.

More recovery time if matches are postponed?
tartan-belle
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“I think it's raining at Cincy MS

Dunno if this is good news or bad news for those who played at Olympics.

More recovery time if matches are postponed?”

The rain has well and truly followed the tour the entire year....

Am guessing they'd have to double up on matches if it continues to mess with the schedule? So could be bad.

ETA: yeah, Andy doesn't even have an opponent yet! It looks as if it'll be Monaco but he hasn't finished his r1 match...
david16
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“I think it's raining at Cincy MS

Dunno if this is good news or bad news for those who played at Olympics.

More recovery time if matches are postponed?”

Cincinnati masters next week and also the US Open starting a week later than usual would have been better considering the Olympic tennis finished on Sunday and the Olympic games still very much going on.
Irishguy123
17-08-2016
At the risk of asking a contentious question, does anybody here read or pay attention to the Tennis Has a Steroid Problem blog? I take a look every now and again. Do ye think there's any truth to anything it says, or is it simply losers pointing the finger at players they don't like?
Cherry-choc
17-08-2016
Nice that people are sticking up for Andy. Sour grapes taste awful sweet

Originally Posted by Irishguy123:
“At the risk of asking a contentious question, does anybody here read or pay attention to the Tennis Has a Steroid Problem blog? I take a look every now and again. Do ye think there's any truth to anything it says, or is it simply losers pointing the finger at players they don't like?”

Yes, I read it. A lot of posters do have an agenda though, they have their faves and will relentlessly sling mud at rivals. The atmosphere is such that anyone in good form is accused...you do wonder why they continue to watch when they've evidently fallen out of love with the sport.
lyn2
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Mike Teevee:
“I would just like to say that this Murray fan doesn't subscribe the views posted above, so would like to be kept out of whatever two & fro is likely to happen next between yourselves.

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I always feel your posts are very balanced Mike. Although IIRC in one of our first encounters on here years ago, I said something similar and you told me off.
lyn2
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Irishguy123:
“Oh please, that post couldn't have been more bitter if you tried. What other purpose did trying to belittle and play down Andy's victory serve? It's such a nasty trait, and it's something often seen from Djokovic and Nadal fans. You've posted many subtle and not-so-subtle jibes at Murray on here in recent times, they're getting worse and nobody really seems to call you out on it. Murray will never achieve anything remotely close to Djokovic in the grand scheme of things, so why the need to try diminish what he does actually achieve? So bizarre, and a little sad.”

And you call me bitter.
No one is saying the win was invalid. I'm not sure why you can't accept that Andy had an easy draw. But we are going round in circles so I'll say no more.
shortiefluff
17-08-2016
Andy did have an easy draw in comparison to Del Potro. It's not hard to see that. It doesn't negate what Murray did but he had an easier draw than Del Potro. He struggled through it due to his own problems but it doesn't mean that he had a more difficult time. He didn't. Del Potro had to beat Novak and Rafa to make it and Andy didn't have to play a top 10 all tournament until the semi and well the less said about Kei's performance the better tbh. So yes Murray deserved his gold as he can only beat who's in front of him but in no way was his draw harder. That's just the way it is. Lyn saying so doesn't make her bitter imo.
dduk
17-08-2016
Two Hawkeye challenges that were called out and both marginally in, at almost the same spot, so both points had to be replayed. I bet Konta was thinking 'Just give me the game point will ya'. If only it were that simple. Then a third Hawkeye challenge on her own serve, which again was also just in. Them line judges are having a bit of a hard time tonight. Anyway, almost job done for Konta.
Irishguy123
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by lyn2:
“And you call me bitter.
I'm not sure why you can't accept that Andy had an easy draw. But we are going round in circles so I'll say no more.”

That's not the issue here?

The issue is the fact that in the immediate aftermath of his victory you chose to have a dig and tried to belittle his win by saying he "only had to play one top 20 player, and that was Kei", with a couple of laughing smileys. I'm pretty sure you also did the same when he won Wimbledon this Summer, and even when he won his first slam back in 2012. The point I'm making is the fact that pretty much anything he achieves, you try and asterisk it. This has happened not just once, but on several occasions. To say it in the immediate aftermath of Murray's win reeks of bitterness and being a sore loser. It's equally funny because you've continually moaned on here about how Djokovic isn't as popular as his peers, and how he never gets the credit he deserves. So yeah, I'm certainly not the one who's bitter here, all I've simply done is call you out on a number of things you've posted. I'm not trying to cause arguments, but you've done it on more than one occasion and I've largely bitten my tongue. There certainly hasn't been any "going around in circles" either, and you can't state as such just cause you disagree with my opinion. So, in sum, feel free to "say no more" if you wish, but I think everything I've said has been 100% true, and I've summed up the situation pretty well.
computermaster
17-08-2016
Maybe it would have been better if Murray had given Cincinnati a miss and saved energy for US Open. With Djokovic out though this could be a good opportunity to gain more points to catch him up.

I don't know how far behind he is in terms of points but I imagine it's by a decent margin.
CLL Dodge
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by dduk:
“... Anyway, almost job done for Konta.”

Comfortably done.

Plays the winner of Aga & Petko.
Aaron_Silver
18-08-2016
Murray is looking utterly shattered
Cherry-choc
18-08-2016
Muzza took an MTO for his shoulder. Heed the warning signs Andrew! Could be jeopardising his USO if he goes further here.
Aaron_Silver
18-08-2016
Murray needs an injury time out at 4-3 up in the first set, seems to be the right shoulder.

When he returns, he comes out with a vengeance and breaks 5-3
Aaron_Silver
18-08-2016
Takes the set 6-3
Aaron_Silver
18-08-2016
Originally Posted by Irishguy123:
“I've never really understood the mentality either for your slam wins to be valid that you have to beat either one or more of Federer/Nadal/Djokovic. I mean, fair enough if you get a Bartoli-style draw to win a slam, but Andy is clearly good enough to win slams and if he'd played in an even slightly weaker era he'd probably have doubled his current slam count. I think the fact that he's beaten Djokovic in two slam finals and Federer in an Olympic final and still people tried to take those wins away from him proves that nothing will ever be enough when it comes to Andy. Even if he had beaten Djokovic people would say he only won cause of Djokovic's apparent wrist injury. Even if Andy gets to world #1 and say he started to dominate, it would then be said that he's only doing so because the field is getting weaker. As a fan it's incredibly frustrating, he never gets the credit he deserves, in fact he never gets anywhere close to it. I think he'll only be appreciated when he actually retires, and people will realise what an incredible player he was.”

Excellent post
Aaron_Silver
18-08-2016
6-3 6-2 Andy Murray wins but harder than the score suggests.
Cherry-choc
18-08-2016
Andy sees off Pico, but I wouldn't be surprised if he hands Kandy a walkover. Physio will be working overtime on that shoulder...

Good to see Delgado in the box.
Jenny1986
18-08-2016
Originally Posted by Cherry-choc:
“Muzza took an MTO for his shoulder. Heed the warning signs Andrew! Could be jeopardising his USO if he goes further here.”

I fully agree, sorry to keep banging on about this, but I just don't know what he is doing there. Chasing Novak won't do any good if he injures himself in the process. He's a delicate flower obviously lol.

On the plus side, Rafa was wearing a great colour yesterday. Love a bit of turquoise.
MissAyrshire
18-08-2016
Delpo and his mates https://twitter.com/jorgeviale/statu...28956298543110
Mike Teevee
18-08-2016
Originally Posted by lyn2:
“I always feel your posts are very balanced Mike. Although IIRC in one of our first encounters on here years ago, I said something similar and you told me off. ”

Without looking it up I can't remember what that was in relation to, though I query me 'telling you off'

Also it kind of begs the question about whether you feel the need to put disclaimers on Andy's tournament wins.
Mike Teevee
18-08-2016
Originally Posted by shortiefluff:
“Andy did have an easy draw in comparison to Del Potro. It's not hard to see that. It doesn't negate what Murray did but he had an easier draw than Del Potro. He struggled through it due to his own problems but it doesn't mean that he had a more difficult time. He didn't. Del Potro had to beat Novak and Rafa to make it and Andy didn't have to play a top 10 all tournament until the semi and well the less said about Kei's performance the better tbh. So yes Murray deserved his gold as he can only beat who's in front of him but in no way was his draw harder. That's just the way it is. Lyn saying so doesn't make her bitter imo.”

Not sure anybody is saying Andy had a more difficult time or that his draw was harder.

I did say that he didn't cruise through to the final though.
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