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Old 19-10-2016, 10:37
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I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?
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Old 19-10-2016, 11:38
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I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?
Is a protected ranking classed as a wildcard?
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Old 19-10-2016, 11:50
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Is a protected ranking classed as a wildcard?
Hmm. I had thought from memory he played the Olympics as a wildcard but yes, it was a PR.

Im sure Shanghai was his 6th wildcard of the year and he wasnt to get any more under the rules, though. Maybe it was only his 5th!
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Old 19-10-2016, 11:55
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Right Ive done some digging, he had wildcards at

Shanghai
US Open
Stuttgart
Munich
Indian Wells
Delray Beach

...so thats his maximum of 6. So how can he have one for Basel? Does the US Open not count because its ITF rather than ATP?
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Old 19-10-2016, 12:00
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Right Ive done some digging, he had wildcards at

Shanghai
US Open
Stuttgart
Munich
Indian Wells
Delray Beach

...so thats his maximum of 6. So how can he have one for Basel? Does the US Open not count because its ITF rather than ATP?
It must be, it's the only way it makes sense. The ITF website says this.

'If you wish to apply for a Wild Card, you should get in touch with the host National Association and/or Tournament Director. ITF does not give out Wild Cards.'

So slams are totally separate?
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Old 19-10-2016, 12:19
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Must be, so it means that a player can, in theory, get TEN wildcards into ranking events in a calendar year if coming back from long term injury. All of this on top of using a protected ranking for four (?) events.
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Old 19-10-2016, 13:13
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Gavrilova v Carla will be a tough match for Carla, the Aussie has been playing quite well just lately.
CSN withdrew injured when losing 6-4 3-0.

Kuznetsova through against Cornet.
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Old 19-10-2016, 13:25
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I hope Sveta makes it to Singapore myself, because she's epic.
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Old 19-10-2016, 13:38
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It must be awful for Jo Konta knowing it's all out of her hands.
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Old 19-10-2016, 13:56
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Petko is rocking the headband, and crushing Garcia at the same time.
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Old 19-10-2016, 14:07
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On tanking, the difference with Kyrgios is he makes his so blatant and on massive televised courts. Tomic is more subtle. Paire/Fognini/Monfils of old tanked to varying degrees, but it seemed to be a tactical ploy to throw off an opponent in form.

If you're tanking within a team sport, it'll be noticed but your teammates can pick up the slack and you can kinda get away with it. Obviously you can be subbed off. Full on tanking is a cardinal sin in individual sport as there's no hiding place.

Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.

Gavrilova is someone who I was expecting more from this year, started well but didn't do a great deal afterwards.

Sad to see Genie lost her match in Luxembourg, increasingly convinced there's nowhere left for her to go now.
Gav maybe rides the emotioncoaster too tightly. Her tennis seems closely attuned to her mood...if that makes sense. She can also lose FH timing and trip herself up with DFs.

Genie simply overachieved in 2014. Her true level is around top 30, making the second week of slams now and again. Only so much she can do with her brittle technique.

I hope Sveta makes it to Singapore myself, because she's epic.
Sveta has bucketloads of experience and would probably do quite well if the conditions are molasses and high bouncing as expected. Konta would get frustrated against good defenders and the dropshots wouldn't work.
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Old 19-10-2016, 14:32
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Kyrgios won't be going to Rotterdam next year. Richard Krajicek doesn't want to take the risk knowing that Nick would rather go to the NBA All-Star Game exho happening during that week.

http://nos.nl/artikel/2138559-kyrgio...-toernooi.html

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This is what I thought would start to happen, although not so quickly and if Kyrgios ever finds himself in need of WCs then good luck with that when tournament directors funnily enough tend to be more favourable to players that actually want to be at their tournaments.
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Old 19-10-2016, 15:22
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On tanking, the difference with Kyrgios is he makes his so blatant and on massive televised courts. Tomic is more subtle. Paire/Fognini/Monfils of old tanked to varying degrees, but it seemed to be a tactical ploy to throw off an opponent in form.

If you're tanking within a team sport, it'll be noticed but your teammates can pick up the slack and you can kinda get away with it. Obviously you can be subbed off. Full on tanking is a cardinal sin in individual sport as there's no hiding place.

Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.


Gav maybe rides the emotioncoaster too tightly. Her tennis seems closely attuned to her mood...if that makes sense. She can also lose FH timing and trip herself up with DFs.

Genie simply overachieved in 2014. Her true level is around top 30, making the second week of slams now and again. Only so much she can do with her brittle technique.


Sveta has bucketloads of experience and would probably do quite well if the conditions are molasses and high bouncing as expected. Konta would get frustrated against good defenders and the dropshots wouldn't work.
It's quite spectacular overachievement though, has there ever been any player who went on a huge tear at the slams for one season then did nothing afterwards? Can't think off the top of my head. I still sometimes watch highlights of that beatdown she got in the Wimbledon final, in hindsight it's hilarious anyone actually thought she could beat Petra.
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Old 19-10-2016, 15:31
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Already covered the Delpo WC thing and can't be arsed to get into it again. Said all I needed to say previously.
OK, just one simple question then: do the Slams count towards the wildcard limit?
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Old 19-10-2016, 15:37
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It's quite spectacular overachievement though, has there ever been any player who went on a huge tear at the slams for one season then did nothing afterwards? Can't think off the top of my head. I still sometimes watch highlights of that beatdown she got in the Wimbledon final, in hindsight it's hilarious anyone actually thought she could beat Petra.
Probably happened quite a lot in the past really. Young players come through and mask their technical difficulties with the confidence of yoof. Tennis is such an huge confidence sport. Especially with someone like Bouchard whose game is based on a low-percentage taking the ball early.

Zvonareva perhaps, even though she was longer lived than Bouchard. Jaeger maybe.
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Old 19-10-2016, 17:21
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Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.
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Old 19-10-2016, 17:58
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Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.
In which case they are all idiots.
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Old 19-10-2016, 20:38
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What do you more knowledgeable people make of this?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...celebrity-game
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Old 19-10-2016, 23:50
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We still don't have any updates on exactly whether Jo Konta would be fit to play in Singapore, should she qualify. But it would be nice for her, if she could qualify.
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Old 20-10-2016, 00:53
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I spot that Juan Martin Del Wildcardo has had yet another wildcard, this time into Basel. Assuming this isnt an error, am I to assume that the Olympics wildcard doesnt count towards the maximum of 6 allowed in a calendar year?
He is good box office - who wouldn't pick him as a wildcard to boost ticket sales.

Surprised he is still ranked so low though.
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Old 20-10-2016, 00:57
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We still don't have any updates on exactly whether Jo Konta would be fit to play in Singapore, should she qualify. But it would be nice for her, if she could qualify.
The even starts in 3 says and it takes 14 hours to fly their from the UK - so Jo will have to decide soon. Given the Moscow final is Saturday the final place will be decided less than a day before the finals start.
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Old 20-10-2016, 01:10
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The even starts in 3 says and it takes 14 hours to fly their from the UK - so Jo will have to decide soon. Given the Moscow final is Saturday the final place will be decided less than a day before the finals start.
Did Jo fly back to the UK from Hong Kong then?
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Old 20-10-2016, 02:36
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Did Jo fly back to the UK from Hong Kong then?
Probably not - but she hasn't tweeted since Sunday.
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Old 20-10-2016, 03:33
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Probably not - but she hasn't tweeted since Sunday.
She may decide that going for the Elite trophy is the better option if she's not 100% now.
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Old 20-10-2016, 09:58
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Kyrgios won't be going to Rotterdam next year. Richard Krajicek doesn't want to take the risk knowing that Nick would rather go to the NBA All-Star Game exho happening during that week.

http://nos.nl/artikel/2138559-kyrgio...-toernooi.html

Google translate:

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This is what I thought would start to happen, although not so quickly and if Kyrgios ever finds himself in need of WCs then good luck with that when tournament directors funnily enough tend to be more favourable to players that actually want to be at their tournaments.
Krajicek's called NK's bluff here, whilst reassuring potential Rotterdam spectators. Seems fair enough.

I doubt Kyrgios would be in this situation if he had a coach though. Onus will probably be on Hewitt to babysit in the short term.

OK, just one simple question then: do the Slams count towards the wildcard limit?
Just had a gander at the rulebook and I don't think so, as they're ITF events. ATP regs only pertain to ATP events, and the current limit is 5, or 6 with special dispensation.

Perhaps the way to go for seriously injured players is to use protected ranking at the slams and wildcards elsewhere?

Probably happened quite a lot in the past really. Young players come through and mask their technical difficulties with the confidence of yoof. Tennis is such an huge confidence sport. Especially with someone like Bouchard whose game is based on a low-percentage taking the ball early.

Zvonareva perhaps, even though she was longer lived than Bouchard. Jaeger maybe.
Indeed. When you're new on the scene you're really playing with freedom, without ranking-induced pressure and rivals/coaches won't have had time to study your gamestyle, favourite patterns of play. They'll do their homework eventually though.

The onus is then on you to develop other patterns of play, making marginal gains and continually improving your game. Adding stuff like superior serve placement, learning kick/slice serve, transition game, volleying technique, footwork improvements in defence...list is endless.

Really hope Jo gets to Singapore. The hate for her on twitter is shocking, even ignoring shes a British player people just aren't liking that she could get there. Tbf tho most are normally very agressively fan boys or girls of either the banned one, pregnant one and the not interested in anything outside the GS one.
It can't all be down to her funky ball bounce. It means Jo is a threat to their declining faves and is on the right path

Their hatred for a lovely girl says far more about them than it does about Jo.

He is good box office - who wouldn't pick him as a wildcard to boost ticket sales.

Surprised he is still ranked so low though.
Delpo was done over by the Olympics/DC no longer awarding ATP points. For example, Fed got 450 points for reaching the Olympic final in 2012...with those points, Delpo would've been knocking on the door of the top 30 currently.
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